Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Sword of Ducks]

anyway, I got the site working again, and am going to be watching that for a while

[butterchurn]

Your reads look like they come from a perspective of having too much information involved in forming them and of not being entirely sincere/genuine, while still being largely sincere/genuine.

In other words: the exact profile I'd expect from a scum player in multiball.

Speaking of that, it took me a moment to realize this as I'm still getting used to the implications of multiball, but I don't think this reason tracks. If I were scum, I would only be informed on the alignment of 3 other players, out of 22. And yet here you say that my reads look like they come from a perspective of having too much information involved in forming them. That would make sense as a reason to scumread someone in a normal setup, but you specifically say that it is the exact profile you would expect from scum

in multiball

. Unless you are talking about exactly 3 of my reads being based on too much information, I think this reason is fabricated.

[Flavor Leaf]

damage control for what

Probably a Catboi partner

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s definitely scum in the people that are defending/town reading Catboi. At least 1, even if Catboi ends up being town

[butterchurn]

damage control for what

I'm not sure what exactly Flavor Leaf meant by that, but my interpretation was that I don't think she's gotten as townread as she may have expected to from her entrance. A few people have, but I don't think it's consensus. She also has been behind for most of the game so far, and if she were scum, she would need to start exerting some influence on the thread before town leaders take things in the correct direction.

[Save The Dragons]

i mean there's 9 scum you can be like there's definitely scum in any 4 people and probably hit

[MalcolmTucker]

Caught up on the past day or so.

I've not read Bnuuy's ISO, and hadn't had too many thoughts on the slot so far, but I don't like how that wagon developed and then faded away again so quickly.

I don't think Menalque was particularly scummy for pushing it. Their belief in the slot being scum was genuine and consistent, as was their initial insistence afterwards.

Not keen on how eagerly Flavor went from viewing the vote as a compromise to being willing to join the wagon, to then backing off again pretty quickly. I think it's perfectly possible they did actually think Bnuuy's response was frustrated townie (I did too) and felt like a continued push there wouldn't be a good idea. But I find their joining the wagon interesting given they criticised Catboi pushing Wallflower on the basis it might be an "easy" elimination/push. Could Flavor's approach here not be seen as quite similar?

By the same token though, I wasn't too keen on Catboi's equal willingness to join the wagon before then backing off again. Felt quite opportunistic and was a useful way to get the heat on them to die down a bit, while perhaps agreeing a bit more with players they'd clashed with a bit.

Mastina's suggestion that Butterchurn is mafia masking as town well was interesting and as someone who's TR'd Butterchurn, I'm aware I can easily be drawn in by level-headed players with a very clean and analytical style because that's generally how I like to approach the game (albeit I don't tend to do it all that well). But until Mastina posts any evidence of this I feel like their accusations are quite vague and not fully-formed enough. I've certainly not seen it so far. I also think Mastina's push could potentially be a clever scum tactic insofar as Butter doesn't necessarily look like the sort of push mafia would make given they won't get eliminated this turn...but there's also inherently nothing wrong with going there either because Butter's not been cleared and if Mastina is scum, it allows them to appear as if they're coming up with independent and original thoughts.

I also think Monkey is very townie at this point. I disagree with plenty they say but I feel like they don't give a shit about how their reads/progressions look in a way that's much more likely to come from town than scum, especially in a larger game where it's technically easier for scum to appear townie by genuinely suspecting other mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

Another reason I’m leaning a Catboi-Mastina is because Mastina knew I’d respond to that ridiculous slip reasoning, and now my focus is going towards her rather than Catboi which splits the vote if I push further + her claim is defense.

[Flavor Leaf]

Caught up on the past day or so.

I've not read Bnuuy's ISO, and hadn't had too many thoughts on the slot so far, but I don't like how that wagon developed and then faded away again so quickly.

I don't think Menalque was particularly scummy for pushing it. Their belief in the slot being scum was genuine and consistent, as was their initial insistence afterwards.

Not keen on how eagerly Flavor went from viewing the vote as a compromise to being willing to join the wagon, to then backing off again pretty quickly. I think it's perfectly possible they did actually think Bnuuy's response was frustrated townie (I did too) and felt like a continued push there wouldn't be a good idea. But I find their joining the wagon interesting given they criticised Catboi pushing Wallflower on the basis it might be an "easy" elimination/push. Could Flavor's approach here not be seen as quite similar?

By the same token though, I wasn't too keen on Catboi's equal willingness to join the wagon before then backing off again. Felt quite opportunistic and was a useful way to get the heat on them to die down a bit, while perhaps agreeing a bit more with players they'd clashed with a bit.

Mastina's suggestion that Butterchurn is mafia masking as town well was interesting and as someone who's TR'd Butterchurn, I'm aware I can easily be drawn in by level-headed players with a very clean and analytical style because that's generally how I like to approach the game (albeit I don't tend to do it all that well). But until Mastina posts any evidence of this I feel like their accusations are quite vague and not fully-formed enough. I've certainly not seen it so far. I also think Mastina's push could potentially be a clever scum tactic insofar as Butter doesn't necessarily look like the sort of push mafia would make given they won't get eliminated this turn...but there's also inherently nothing wrong with going there either because Butter's not been cleared and if Mastina is scum, it allows them to appear as if they're coming up with independent and original thoughts.

I also think Monkey is very townie at this point. I disagree with plenty they say but I feel like they don't give a shit about how their reads/progressions look in a way that's much more likely to come from town than scum, especially in a larger game where it's technically easier for scum to appear townie by genuinely suspecting other mafia.

@Malcolm - are you referring to my Bnuuy vote?

I did that to get the Bnuuy wagon to stop. Menalque and I had a conversation about that, and I specifically stated that if Norwegian and I were to join the wagon, it would slow down because of the speed it grew.

[Sword of Ducks]

i mean there's 9 scum you can be like there's definitely scum in any 4 people and probably hit

there are 6 mafiats tops

[Flavor Leaf]

Didn’t mean to quote full thing

[MonkeyMan576]

@SoD do you know what fencesitting is and why it's bad?

[Flavor Leaf]

i mean there's 9 scum you can be like there's definitely scum in any 4 people and probably hit

there are 6 mafiats tops

Original post says 4 on each team + Malefactor.

This is like the 4th time we’ve brought this up.

It’s confirmed 9 scum

[Flavor Leaf]

@Malcolm

Doubtful

You’re trying very hard to unrail it as it stands, up to and including your old vote-then-unvote trick which I have seen before, even if others may not have

Doubtful

You’re trying very hard to unrail it as it stands, up to and including your old vote-then-unvote trick which I have seen before, even if others may not have

I stated that was a main reason for me doing it, but I will say, I was on board to power fade them if it got to that point right there. Then they started posting, and their reason for the drama and cowering away makes sense to me. They were actively popping up yesterday with TB, I even talked to them a little bit directly yesterday.

Also, Catboi's vote onto Bnuuy was scummy in itself.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, if we vote Bnuuy, Norwegian, then the Bnuuy wagon is gonna be seen as being built up super fast.

[MalcolmTucker]

whoa TB was pooky? I guess that doesn't surprise me given the typing style, but pooky felt mean this game Contrary to what other people have said, that actually feels a bit out of character given my experience with him

yea

more specifically, i felt TB vs leaf was an overdramatic and artificial argument about stuff that wasn't at all related to this game and not at all aimed at yeeting either of them.
in other words, it looked like svs to me, tho more strongly so from TB side of things.
VOTE: TB

This was a weird post from tictac. Voting for a player who's no longer in the game, and asserting the argument between Flavor/TB was staged (surely was not the case). But it feels like a very weak argument to be coming from scum to me.

[Save The Dragons]

i mean there's 9 scum you can be like there's definitely scum in any 4 people and probably hit

there are 6 mafiats tops

do you know what multiball means

it is important to me that you do

god you are so adorable

[MalcolmTucker]

Honestly, if we vote Bnuuy, Norwegian, then the Bnuuy wagon is gonna be seen as being built up super fast.

Cheers for context. I dunno, I found the progression odd and it's not as if Bnuuy was exactly on the verge of going out given the size of the game. But I'm also unsure where you'd have particularly benefited from jumping onto the wagon and then jumping off it quickly if you were scum too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, if we vote Bnuuy, Norwegian, then the Bnuuy wagon is gonna be seen as being built up super fast.

Cheers for context. I dunno, I found the progression odd and it's not as if Bnuuy was exactly on the verge of going out given the size of the game. But I'm also unsure where you'd have particularly benefited from jumping onto the wagon and then jumping off it quickly if you were scum too.

There’s definitely some scum motivation i could see people pushing, and it’s the same motivation I had as town for it.

The Bnuuy wagon was gonna happen due to Menalques push for it being as strong as they did, it started to grow, and I knew it would distract from the Catboi wagon, so I wanted the Bnuuy wagon to end as fast as possible. If it had gone all the way to the end, I’d probably have let it fade, tbh, but Bnuuy came in like a townie little bunny, and made it alright. Then went back to Catboi

[Sword of Ducks]

@SoD do you know what fencesitting is and why it's bad?

never heard of it.

god you are so adorable

I'm going to take this out of context!

i mean there's 9 scum you can be like there's definitely scum in any 4 people and probably hit

there are 6 mafiats tops

Original post says 4 on each team + Malefactor.

This is like the 4th time we’ve brought this up.

It’s confirmed 9 scum

There...

was

the Werewolf alignment in the sign-up/starting posts, correct?

[Sword of Ducks]

Found it -

The alignments that can exist in this game are Town, Mafia, Werewolf and Malefactor (only one; wins when the town loses).

[Save The Dragons]

In order to increase the value of day play in multiball, this game has more scum but fewer nightkills than the first game. The faction sizes are

14:4:4:1

, but each scumteam is only allowed to kill 2 nights out of each 3. If a team submits kills nights 1 and 2, they may not kill night 3, and so on.

14 town
4 mafia
4 wolves
1 malefactor

[Sword of Ducks]

arg dammit

I was thinkin by 9 scum you meant nine mafiats

[Save The Dragons]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Save The Dragons]

well still only 4 of them