Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Save The Dragons]

Anyone else feeling Nashville Dreams? I'll give you a cookie :3

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not sure what you're referring to.

[Save The Dragons]

Well you see a cookie is a baked good made of flour sugar butter and oh wait you weren't talking to me

[Flavor Leaf]

Anyone else feeling Nashville Dreams? I'll give you a cookie :3

oh yeah, I forgot about them. They're lean scum for me too right now, but eh, lower than the others, and i feel im more likely to be wrong there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.

if you're referring to this MonkeyMan, I clearly stated "before scum get any info", so idk if you're implying that was meant for a scum PT when it's clearly not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So that's where I'm at, would prefer Catboi, but will go Mastina.

On second thought, i'm not sure i trust Mastina because last game with scum!Mastina went like this:

Mastina: I'm going to town and scumread people for their one-liner RVS posts and make a big reads list.
Mastina: Norwee is top town.
*Dips from game for a long time*
Mastina: Cephrir is scum for a vague reason. I'm going to harp on this vague scumread for the rest of the game.

This game:

Mastina: I'm going to town and scumread people for their one-liner RVS posts and make a big reads list.
Mastina: Norwee is top town.
*Dips from game for a long time*
Mastina: Butterchurn is scum for a vague reason. I'm going to harp on this vague scumread for the rest of the game.

I JUST DON'T TRUST IT ANYMORE.

[MegAzumarill]

have had some family in town and am currently working on a compiled reads list,

[MonkeyMan576]

Not to mention she is scumreading me when I am the towniest player in the game. J/K.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyone else feeling Nashville Dreams? I'll give you a cookie :3

I think Nashville is still a good vote.

[MalcolmTucker]

Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.

Yeah this does not read like something posted for here unless I'm missing something? Why would say in advance you "might" try and claim something?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.

Yeah this does not read like something posted for here unless I'm missing something? Why would say in advance you "might" try and claim something?

It reads to me like something FL would post here.

[MalcolmTucker]

Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.

Yeah this does not read like something posted for here unless I'm missing something? Why would say in advance you "might" try and claim something?

It reads to me like something FL would post here.

Could be a style thing I guess, just feels odd to announce your intention openly that you might claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What? I think you're misreading that. Pretty sure FL said they might try to go for eliminating Mastina. Not claim Beloved Princess.

[MalcolmTucker]

Okay I am then lol. I thought for a moment they were thinking about claiming the role which would have been a bizarre approach.

[butterchurn]

Yeah, I read that as him saying that Day 1 could actually be the most beneficial time to eliminate a Beloved Princess, because there are the maximum amount of town role actions available. So, I guess the risk is mitigated if she is a town Beloved Princess, and there's also a good chance of her just being scum. I'm not really sure how accurate that is, but I did have a thought along those lines as well.

[butterchurn]

So that's where I'm at, would prefer Catboi, but will go Mastina.

On second thought, i'm not sure i trust Mastina because last game with scum!Mastina went like this:

Mastina: I'm going to town and scumread people for their one-liner RVS posts and make a big reads list.
Mastina: Norwee is top town.
*Dips from game for a long time*
Mastina: Cephrir is scum for a vague reason. I'm going to harp on this vague scumread for the rest of the game.

This game:

Mastina: I'm going to town and scumread people for their one-liner RVS posts and make a big reads list.
Mastina: Norwee is top town.
*Dips from game for a long time*
Mastina: Butterchurn is scum for a vague reason. I'm going to harp on this vague scumread for the rest of the game.

I JUST DON'T TRUST IT ANYMORE.

Can you link this game? I'd like to compare, because if this is an accurate portrayal then it's pretty interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So that's where I'm at, would prefer Catboi, but will go Mastina.

On second thought, i'm not sure i trust Mastina because last game with scum!Mastina went like this:

Mastina: I'm going to town and scumread people for their one-liner RVS posts and make a big reads list.
Mastina: Norwee is top town.
*Dips from game for a long time*
Mastina: Cephrir is scum for a vague reason. I'm going to harp on this vague scumread for the rest of the game.

This game:

Mastina: I'm going to town and scumread people for their one-liner RVS posts and make a big reads list.
Mastina: Norwee is top town.
*Dips from game for a long time*
Mastina: Butterchurn is scum for a vague reason. I'm going to harp on this vague scumread for the rest of the game.

I JUST DON'T TRUST IT ANYMORE.

Can you link this game? I'd like to compare, because if this is an accurate portrayal then it's pretty interesting.

Controllllll

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500

[Flavor Leaf]

Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.

Yeah this does not read like something posted for here unless I'm missing something? Why would say in advance you "might" try and claim something?

well, i would say in advance that I might try and claim something, but yeah, not what I was saying here.

Really just in addition to thinking Mastina is a strong candidate for a Catboi partner, the Beloved Princess claim is just something I dont really wanna deal with/think it could be scum motivated.

my cases against scumMastina are that her reasons for scum reading people have no meat on the bone, but said matter of factly, and i think mastina just would have better reasons if she was scum. Not a strong reason especially if it was done by Mastina to position well and defend Catboi indirectly by pushing 2 of the ones on the Catboi wagon/then offering up a butterchurn which can get people from both sides of the Catboi debate onto butterchurn.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I read that as him saying that Day 1 could actually be the most beneficial time to eliminate a Beloved Princess, because there are the maximum amount of town role actions available. So, I guess the risk is mitigated if she is a town Beloved Princess, and there's also a good chance of her just being scum. I'm not really sure how accurate that is, but I did have a thought along those lines as well.

there's also little to no other claims out there, so scum can't PR snipe well, so it's just mowing down people.

Scum can also choose not to kill because they only to kill 2 times in each 3 phases.

[MalcolmTucker]

Yeah, I read that as him saying that Day 1 could actually be the most beneficial time to eliminate a Beloved Princess, because there are the maximum amount of town role actions available. So, I guess the risk is mitigated if she is a town Beloved Princess, and there's also a good chance of her just being scum. I'm not really sure how accurate that is, but I did have a thought along those lines as well.

there's also little to no other claims out there, so scum can't PR snipe well, so it's just mowing down people.

Scum can also choose not to kill because they only to kill 2 times in each 3 phases.

On this, do we reckon all scum teams kill tonight? I'd initially expect so since it's D1 and the game is still big enough that you can probably eliminate someone as scum and get away with it without people making obvious associatives. But then it obviously gets trickier further down the line once role player are perhaps revealed - if you don't have a kill, you risk them being able to live another day.

[MonkeyMan576]

I would think it would be more beneficial for scum to wait to kill until they know more about the setup, but that's just me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I read that as him saying that Day 1 could actually be the most beneficial time to eliminate a Beloved Princess, because there are the maximum amount of town role actions available. So, I guess the risk is mitigated if she is a town Beloved Princess, and there's also a good chance of her just being scum. I'm not really sure how accurate that is, but I did have a thought along those lines as well.

there's also little to no other claims out there, so scum can't PR snipe well, so it's just mowing down people.

Scum can also choose not to kill because they only to kill 2 times in each 3 phases.

On this, do we reckon all scum teams kill tonight? I'd initially expect so since it's D1 and the game is still big enough that you can probably eliminate someone as scum and get away with it without people making obvious associatives. But then it obviously gets trickier further down the line once role player are perhaps revealed - if you don't have a kill, you risk them being able to live another day.

i agree. going Mastina, if they are actually town BP, opens up a lot of bloodshed, but it's more of a matter of does the bloodshed matter. scum can hit possible scum anyways. And if Mastina is scum, they're just scum.

The double night is always gonna feel drastic, though, but there's also the possibility that scum kill Mastina if she's on the right track ever, but not looking likely based on her weak reasonings, so either way.

Catboi still my preferred.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would think it would be more beneficial for scum to wait to kill until they know more about the setup, but that's just me.

that's why this is a thing. Because they would essentially be forced to make at least 1 kill because they only get 2 kills in 3 phases.

So I'm assuming scum could kill N2, N3, N4, N5, but not N1, N6.

so there would be blood. And the different scum teams can make different decisions, of course.

And if they wait, it's even better for town in that scenario, because PR's get double actions, so it's dangerous for scum to do that.

This only matters if Mastina is a BP, though.

[MonkeyMan576]

First Tier Scum
Catboi
Wallflower

Second Tier Scum
Meg
Bnuuy
Klick
Menalque

Third Tier Scum or Town
Everyone Else

[MalcolmTucker]

Why is Titus town tho?

Has the perfect storm of Titus town things;
1: It's D1, I can afford to call her town because statistically speaking even in a multiball game with more scum than normal there's still more town than not so I'll be right more often than I'm wrong, and Titus is someone who, if I am not actually scumreading her, I don't really want to push on D1 so I'll just townread her on principle

2: People are calling Titus scum, which is an indicator that she's not

3: She's got the unique combination of solving, but not solving TOO much, and having some insights but nothing TOO insightful, and having moonlogic but not TOO much moonlogic

4: She's in a hydra and tbh this feels like Titus-town-hydra to me

5: Gut.

While we're on Mastina, reading through their ISO and this feels like a really weak town read. Only no3 approaches any sort of proper detail or goes into specifics at all.