Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

Keeper should have been in a tier of their own in between those two tiers, i made it pink by accident.

[The Keeper]

So for hitting any one grouping - which lets face it is how this is going to work because nobody is going to agree on any particular group of 4...

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Total samples taken: 1,000,000
Total with Mafia: 175,058 (17.505800%)
Total with Wolf: 173,823 (17.382300%)
Total with Malefactor: 43,452, (4.345200%)
Total with any scum: 392,333, (39.233300%)
Total with hostile scum: 348,881, (34.888100%)

So these are the percentages we actually work with.


just my two pennies - and probably the most effort I'm going to put in this game.

[MalcolmTucker]

Reading through their ISO and I am really, really split on Cassowary.

On the one hand, I like their posts as a rule - not too confrontational as such but the logic is mostly solid.

They TR'd me at a time when it would have been easy and opportunistic for them to hop onto a wagon.

Their suspicion of Monkey felt perfectly reasonable at the time and similarly to me they have progressed on the slot as the game has gone on. They've pushed the slot a bit but not gotten too hyper-focused on it either.

And the fact they have TR'd Sword early on to a degree gives me an indication they're not just opportunistically pushing slots for easy eliminations.

But by the same token...given the multiball setup, it also feels like they're employing a fairly cautious and careful style that allows them to scumhunt in a way that helps them avoid any suspicion while perhaps managing to be subtle mafia. Their post count is fairly thin so far and in terms of pushes they've not done much beyond going for Monkey a bit before backing out and tentatively - but still not really - pushing Flavor a little bit.

like this doesn't say anything it just makes him look like that he's putting in work

Reading back I'd be surprised if Mastina/Nashville are aligned. Nashville saying they don't necessarily believe the claim but don't think it's scummy feels like an incredibly weird way for a teammate to try and defend another teammate...easier to just openly believe the claim.

If Mastina is town, perfectly feasible Nashville could be taking a punt on Mastina not being on the other team and viewing it as a good chance to try and build some town-cred going forward. In fact if Mastina is town I'd be very surprised if no scum attempt to do this. Obviously scum can't definitively know Mastina isn't rival scum but the odds drop significantly if Mastina isn't in one of their teams, statistically speaking.

like this doesn't really say much again a random toothless comment that makes it look like he's putting in work

I feel like my post on Cassowary says plenty - I outline clearly the reasons why I both TR them and SR them. It's not a particularly attacking post but then you'll be aware I tend not to play like that. If I'm uncertain on a player I'll generally set out both sides of the argument. Cassowary has been a tough player to figure out and my post was put out there as an attempt to help gauge what other players think of a slot that's seen somewhat limited discussion so far.

I feel like my Mastina/Nashville comment is perfectly clear too. I say I don't think they are both aligned together given game content so far. Since others have suggested that's a possibility, that's a deliberate read. I'm not sure what more you're wanting from me here beyond really attacking posts?

[The Keeper]

I was including all 9 anti-town and using a pool of 22, to not include whoever's perspective it is from. Not very important, I know, but I do believe my math was correct.

Explains why your Humbling Bundle isn't paying out. there's 23 in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf calls anybody who pushes him scum.

There's also only been like 3 people, and Catboi has done the same thing with Tictac, Wallflower, and Norwegian with their post, as well as jumping on Bnuuy to get themselves free.

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm very wary of Flavor at the moment but I don't think the way they are approaching the game is particularly out of the realm as to how they'd approach it as town from the game where they miselimmed me. I feel like Flavor typically picks up on strong narratives and possible associations and likes to push them a good bit, and if they're in the wrong it can obviously be very frustrating but I don't think their approach at the moment is inherently scummy in that regard.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I'm not even necessarily calling you scum with confidence, just more acknowledging the baseless push, it's why you're pink.

You said I'm scum reading everyone who's called me scum, correct?

Name those people, Well Done.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't know malcolm you just don't feel like i've seen you and i can't really describe it.

the cassowary post stands out because it's something scum could easily hedge with and go either direction with in the future, if cassowary finds herself under suspicion then you can jump on it or defend depending on what would work better

[butterchurn]

I was including all 9 anti-town and using a pool of 22, to not include whoever's perspective it is from. Not very important, I know, but I do believe my math was correct.

Explains why your Humbling Bundle isn't paying out. there's 23 in this game.

If I'm choosing a group of 4, though, I'm only choosing from a pool of 22, because I know I'm not one of the scum.

[Well Done]

well done what other scum reads do you have

i believe we can find something we agree on

We scumread Menalque
We are suspicious of Malcolm and catboi
We are less suspicious of Klick and tictac and haven't given them a strong look over but have acknowledged them

We were suspicious of Monkeyman and Sword of Ducks at one point and need to think over it again

[Save The Dragons]

well done what other scum reads do you have

i believe we can find something we agree on

We scumread Menalque
We are suspicious of Malcolm and catboi
We are less suspicious of Klick and tictac and haven't given them a strong look over but have acknowledged them

We were suspicious of Monkeyman and Sword of Ducks at one point and need to think over it again

MALCOLM

is it

but still that's something

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf calls anybody who pushes him scum.

I have 2 things for this.

Who other than Mastina and yourself have I done this for?

And do you believe this is something I wouldn't do as town?

[MalcolmTucker]

i don't know malcolm you just don't feel like i've seen you and i can't really describe it.

the cassowary post stands out because it's something scum could easily hedge with and go either direction with in the future, if cassowary finds herself under suspicion then you can jump on it or defend depending on what would work better

I feel like I wasn't really myself early game - I do often struggle for reads a bit but felt very thin on the ground after my initial catch-up. But I feel like my Cassowary post is pretty much basic town from my POV as to how I play - outline a case for why a player might be X alignment, but then outline a potentially opposite stance for why my initial bit could be wrong. I get this may be frustrating as it can be vague at times but it's perfectly in-line with my thinking as town most of the time.

If I made that post about, say, Monkey for example, I could maybe get where you're coming from because Monkey's had lots of different reads on them from all sorts of angles...but Cassowary hasn't had a lot of attention heaped on them up until now, and I was basically doing some ISO checks to formulate thoughts on some players I'd not really formed an opinion on so far.

[Flavor Leaf]

If this is Lukewarm talking, it's scum who is acting like it's both of their reads, when Dunnstral has played way too many games to use that as a reason for ever scum reading me. This is the main reason I got pinged. The reasoning, not the straight up scum read in itself, because I don't believe that to be genuine.

[Well Done]

And I'm not even necessarily calling you scum with confidence, just more acknowledging the baseless push, it's why you're pink.

You said I'm scum reading everyone who's called me scum, correct?

Name those people, Well Done.

mastina, Nashville dreams, ourself

[The Keeper]

I was including all 9 anti-town and using a pool of 22, to not include whoever's perspective it is from. Not very important, I know, but I do believe my math was correct.

Explains why your Humbling Bundle isn't paying out. there's 23 in this game.

If I'm choosing a group of 4, though, I'm only choosing from a pool of 22, because I know I'm not one of the scum.

Still explains with your numbers don't add up.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't know malcolm you just don't feel like i've seen you and i can't really describe it.

the cassowary post stands out because it's something scum could easily hedge with and go either direction with in the future, if cassowary finds herself under suspicion then you can jump on it or defend depending on what would work better

I feel like I wasn't really myself early game - I do often struggle for reads a bit but felt very thin on the ground after my initial catch-up. But I feel like my Cassowary post is pretty much basic town from my POV as to how I play - outline a case for why a player might be X alignment, but then outline a potentially opposite stance for why my initial bit could be wrong. I get this may be frustrating as it can be vague at times but it's perfectly in-line with my thinking as town most of the time.

If I made that post about, say, Monkey for example, I could maybe get where you're coming from because Monkey's had lots of different reads on them from all sorts of angles...but Cassowary hasn't had a lot of attention heaped on them up until now, and I was basically doing some ISO checks to formulate thoughts on some players I'd not really formed an opinion on so far.

gun to head what is cassowary town or scum?

[Well Done]

I was including all 9 anti-town and using a pool of 22, to not include whoever's perspective it is from. Not very important, I know, but I do believe my math was correct.

Explains why your Humbling Bundle isn't paying out. there's 23 in this game.

If I'm choosing a group of 4, though, I'm only choosing from a pool of 22, because I know I'm not one of the scum.

That's not how you "not include whoever's perspective it is from" by the way. That does the opposite

[Flavor Leaf]

Sword of Ducks
Save The Dragons
Tracer Bullet
MonkeyMan576
Bnuuy

Malcolm
WallFlower
Menalque
Norwegian
Cat Scratch Fever

Toogeloo
MegaZumarill
Enchant
Butterchurn
Tictac
Klick

The Keeper

Well Done
Nashville Dreams

Mastina
cassowary

catboi

Well Done says I'm not looking for scum, but I believe I have the most layered reads out of anyone in this game, and have been looking for scum MORE than the majority of players, frankly because I got way too invested like always.

And even if I were scum, why wouldn't I be looking for scum?

Well Done/Mastina team, Catboi/Cassowarry. Nashville probably town then, and then the rest are somewhere in my town reads.

[Well Done]

If this is Lukewarm talking, it's scum who is acting like it's both of their reads, when Dunnstral has played way too many games to use that as a reason for ever scum reading me. This is the main reason I got pinged. The reasoning, not the straight up scum read in itself, because I don't believe that to be genuine.

This is untrue.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I'm not even necessarily calling you scum with confidence, just more acknowledging the baseless push, it's why you're pink.

You said I'm scum reading everyone who's called me scum, correct?

Name those people, Well Done.

mastina, Nashville dreams, ourself

Show me where Nashville scum read me.

[MalcolmTucker]

i don't know malcolm you just don't feel like i've seen you and i can't really describe it.

the cassowary post stands out because it's something scum could easily hedge with and go either direction with in the future, if cassowary finds herself under suspicion then you can jump on it or defend depending on what would work better

I feel like I wasn't really myself early game - I do often struggle for reads a bit but felt very thin on the ground after my initial catch-up. But I feel like my Cassowary post is pretty much basic town from my POV as to how I play - outline a case for why a player might be X alignment, but then outline a potentially opposite stance for why my initial bit could be wrong. I get this may be frustrating as it can be vague at times but it's perfectly in-line with my thinking as town most of the time.

If I made that post about, say, Monkey for example, I could maybe get where you're coming from because Monkey's had lots of different reads on them from all sorts of angles...but Cassowary hasn't had a lot of attention heaped on them up until now, and I was basically doing some ISO checks to formulate thoughts on some players I'd not really formed an opinion on so far.

gun to head what is cassowary town or scum?

Gun to head? Town. I feel like my initial post makes it clear I think their approach so far has been quite townie, which is partially what is making me suspicious, because catching scum is going to be difficult this game and I'm trying not to just plop for easy or basic choices.

[Flavor Leaf]

If this is Lukewarm talking, it's scum who is acting like it's both of their reads, when Dunnstral has played way too many games to use that as a reason for ever scum reading me. This is the main reason I got pinged. The reasoning, not the straight up scum read in itself, because I don't believe that to be genuine.

This is untrue.

Disagree

[Well Done]

Flavor Leaf calls anybody who pushes him scum.

There's also only been like 3 people, and Catboi has done the same thing with Tictac, Wallflower, and Norwegian with their post, as well as jumping on Bnuuy to get themselves free.

Yeah we're not really townreading Catboi either.

[Well Done]

And do you believe this is something I wouldn't do as town?

Yep

You're being manipulative and that makes you more likely to be scum