Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

That's what I thought, you disappear when you can't give a line of Gamefic that you've been pushing that I was attempting to push on the game.

VOTE: Well Done

Fade this, and let's go to Day 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not even sure if they're scum, parts of me think they're town.

But I keep going back to the timing of it happening right after I started suspicion on Mastina, which is why I believe it was on their mind that I was pushing those that scum read me.

Well Done/Mastina scum team.

[Well Done]

Literally... the exact gamefic thing that I quoted, but with you and catboi swapped in.

If you are scum, and catboi is not on your team, then you could genuinely be scum reading him. (I am also still entertaining the idea of the two of you as scum together, but not interested in that discussion currently because I don't think that anyone will like my thinking on it lmao -- but that would be a 1 for 1 swap)

You then have set up the CCC who you think must have scum in it, to then turn to if and when catboi flips red.

Like, that is why I quoted those specifics examples about mastina, because they were what I was pointing at
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And then the narratives you built around wallflower, bnuuy, and the others as the person saving them would be serving as pocket attempts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lukewarm pushing those personality traits as scum, fine.

Dunnstral only having that as reasons, no.

[Flavor Leaf]

Literally... the exact gamefic thing that I quoted, but with you and catboi swapped in.

If you are scum, and catboi is not on your team, then you could genuinely be scum reading him. (I am also still entertaining the idea of the two of you as scum together, but not interested in that discussion currently because I don't think that anyone will like my thinking on it lmao -- but that would be a 1 for 1 swap)

You then have set up the CCC who you think must have scum in it, to then turn to if and when catboi flips red.

Like, that is why I quoted those specifics examples about mastina, because they were what I was pointing at
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And then the narratives you built around wallflower, bnuuy, and the others as the person saving them would be serving as pocket attempts.

Okay, and where does that spew me as town?

[Flavor Leaf]

There's no gamefic in that quote of yours.

Give me a sentence like the ones in the example if you're pushing that I'm setting up a gamefic.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamefic is in absolutes, not If's

[Flavor Leaf]

@Everyone

Look at 2152

and then compare it to the GameFic in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12068127 this thread.

They are using the GameFic line to try and push a buzzword, but they're not saying any actual line of Gamefic.

[Flavor Leaf]

You then have set up the CCC who you think must have scum in it, to then turn to if and when catboi flips red.

Just like with the Froggy Protection Posse, right?

This is a theory by you, not a case, you acting like it's absolute when the only other time I've done it I was town, yet that was something you ignored and wanted to twist.


So you're saying if Catboi flips Red, it's scummy for me to go after the ones that were defending them.

[Well Done]

post 0, Flavor Leaf"]

Mastina

Flavor Leaf takes action by actively pushing

Votato

catboi, and starts coming across as one of the main people pushing him, which will help her when he flips Red, setting her up for some major Town Clout

Gamefic 1:

Mastina

Flavor Leaf’s main Red push all game was

Votato

catboi, who flipped Red.

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But like, I don't even think of the game in the terms that you do. I don't know that I can map out what you are asking in the terms that you are asking them

I read your posts, and they felt slimy like a used car sales man, and I didn't trust you. I spotted an apparent mindset shift when approaching the game that I did not trust. I spotted manipulative looking posts that I didn't trust. And I spotted posts that looked like they were buddying. And I didn't trust any of them either.

And then I read your guide, and I felt like I was reading an explanation for each of the things that I felt about your play

[Well Done]

Like, maybe I am not using your terms the way that you would use your terms. But, I don't actually care. I think you are scum.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Is gamefic another way of saying 'weaving a narrative'?

[Flavor Leaf]

You then have set up the CCC who you think must have scum in it, to then turn to if and when catboi flips red.

So you're saying if Catboi flips Red, it's scummy for me to go after the ones that were defending them.

The 4 are Nashville, Malcolm, Menalque, and Butter.

That's the CCC.

Yeah, all 4 of those are people I would spend my time with analyzing each and every one of them individually, probably flip flopping multiple times.

But yeah, if Catboi flips scum, in what world would I not think there is scum defending them?

[Flavor Leaf]

Is gamefic another way of saying 'weaving a narrative'?

Kind of.

Gamefic is a line of narrative.

My guide says for scum to create gamefic.


Like say you got a guilty on Well Done.

The gamefic would be:

Cat Scratch guiltied Well Done, and they flipped scum.




Simple line. I'm a writer so I see all games as heavy narrative, which is why I called it GameFic. All lines of GameFic are true lines. But scum can abuse that to help get town read.

They're saying I'm manipulating and creating GameFic, but there's literally nothing that I've done in this game that would town spew me in later days after some of these flips.

But I hope to show that with my play that I am town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, maybe I am not using your terms the way that you would use your terms. But, I don't actually care. I think you are scum.

That's fine. Don't try and create some fake narrative, and act like you're 100% right on Day 1.

I don't even care if you think you're like 75% correct, that's fine.

I know for a fact you are wrong. It's okay to be wrong on Day 1.


You have a gut scum read, and have theories that you believe are true. You keep just taking anything and everything I'm doing and pushing it as scum manipulating the game as if I would never do it as town.

You thinking that town SHOULDN'T do something as scum, is not the same.

[Flavor Leaf]

So like say Catboi and I were scum together.

GF 1: Flavor Leaf pushed Catboi heavily all of Day 1.
GF 2: Catboi was flipped Day 2. Flipped Mafia.

I specifically stated Mafia here because in this scenario, as MafiaFlavor and MafiaCatboi, this would spew Flavor as not Mafia, not as not scum.

Does this make sense?

[Flavor Leaf]

You not trusting me does not make scum.

You are posting nothing but theories, which is fine, it's Day 1. But even if you think I'm scum, you have no choice but to accept they are theories.

My play will speak for itself, and I am a player who is good at obv towning myself in later days.

[Flavor Leaf]

So your theory is that Catboi and I are scum together?

[Flavor Leaf]

See, I've been here with you for pages now, Well Done.

If you are town, what can I do to get you to see that I'm town?

I know it seemed like we were in a heavy 1v1, but I've been doing my best to try and get you to see where the holes are in your case, and explain them as best as I can as to why it's happening.

If you think I'm scum, fine, but there's 7 more group scum, and 1 Malefactor to find as well.


1 vote on me is not dangerous to me if I was scum, especially considering I would have partners.


I didn't go about it the best way, but my posts towards you are there to help you trust me, and see where I'm coming from with all of it.

If you are town, what do you need from me to help you see that I am town?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Nashville Dreams

I'm all caught up, although admittedly I kind of skimmed the last bits of the Well Done and Flavor argument since i don't think I got anything out of that. I still think the Nashville Dreams case is better than anything those two are slinging at each other though.

I'm tentatively townleaning Flavor -- I'm vibing some of his main scumreads and coming around to scum!catboi, whose 1498 pinged me and because his weird townread on mastina on page 72. mastina is also scummy -- I wasn't feeling her vague butterchurn push or the momo PT thing. I also find Flavor pretty manipulative as town in general, so I'm not sure the points made against him are AI.

I also think Klick could be scum -- his posts pinged me as pocket-y, like when he was talking to Mena about filler stuff on page 61 instead of taking the time to work with Mena on reads.

[Well Done]

You are posting nothing but theories, which is fine, it's Day 1. But even if you think I'm scum, you have no choice but to accept they are theories.

The game of mafia is built on theories. Known information is the exception, not the rule for this game.

For anyone wondering, yes, you can tack on the words "I am theorizing" "I think" "My guess" etc, etc, can be tacked on to the beginning of every post that I have made.

But, Flavor Leaf being scum is my most confident theory about this game at this moment, and therefore, is the person I most want to kill, and therefore I presented it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I spotted manipulative looking posts that I didn't trust. And I spotted posts that looked like they were buddying.

like yeah, I try to rally and convince people to join me on the wagon I'm pushing, and to try to get them to town read me. The ladder is how I play town specifically.

My #1 goal is to try and eventually make a connection with every single player, and try to get them to town read me.

Now I'm going to do it with you.

I understand your scum read, it is mostly gut with theories.

I can work with that.

Now, even if you think I'm scum, like I said, there's 7 more group scum, and another team. What are your other reads?

[Flavor Leaf]

You are posting nothing but theories, which is fine, it's Day 1. But even if you think I'm scum, you have no choice but to accept they are theories.

The game of mafia is built on theories. Known information is the exception, not the rule for this game.

For anyone wondering, yes, you can tack on the words "I am theorizing" "I think" "My guess" etc, etc, can be tacked on to the beginning of every post that I have made.

But, Flavor Leaf being scum is my most confident theory about this game at this moment, and therefore, is the person I most want to kill, and therefore I presented it.

And are you at least at a level of play that you're able to work with people, even ones you think are scum?

it's fine, but because I can see you have a gut scum read on me now, I can work with that much better. Before you were acting like I've done this, this, and this so that makes me scum.

If I'm town, should I not be trying to get you to town read me here?

[Well Done]

I didn't go about it the best way, but my posts towards you are there to help you trust me, and see where I'm coming from with all of it.

If you are town, what do you need from me to help you see that I am town?

Gonna be real, your reaction to our push did nothing but make me believe you to be scum even more.

(from the OMGUS, to feeling like you were misrepping the basis of our scum read, to you trying to prove you were not even town reading us before, trying to frame it that this read is never one that Dunn would have)

I'm gonna go try once again to sleep, and look at this again later.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn't go about it the best way, but my posts towards you are there to help you trust me, and see where I'm coming from with all of it.

If you are town, what do you need from me to help you see that I am town?

Gonna be real, your reaction to our push did nothing but make me believe you to be scum even more.

(from the OMGUS, to feeling like you were misrepping the basis of our scum read, to you trying to prove you were not even town reading us before, trying to frame it that this read is never one that Dunn would have)

I'm gonna go try once again to sleep, and look at this again later.

That's not what I asked.