Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[The Keeper]

my point isn't necessarily that there's a slip but that there's reasons behind the push, it's not like people are targeting them for just lurking

Did I pick up the Super Magnet without realising? People just diving in the line of fire.

[catboi]

let's just try our luck with the beloved princess and see what crazy stuff happens over night.

VOTE: Mastina

Also, again, ridiculously sketchy, coming right after Wallflower expressed doubt on mastina in 2180 and Toogeloo had expressed a willingness to vote momentum. It looks like potentially he's hoping to seize on the momentum to eliminate a beloved princess and get an advantage off that

I really don't like this either but I'm again unsure how scummy it is. Flavor's now under a bit of pressure and if Mastina were to get eliminated (I don't think it happens this turn) and is town then I don't think Flavor survives D2.

I actually think it's one of the scummiest things he's done. You don't know about this since you're new, but Flavor Leaf is a player who likes to brag about talking his way out of hard guilties as scum on multiple occasions. He also tried to get a mason voted out in a game, simply as a challenge to himself to say he did it. Attempting to push through something as obviously antitown as a Day 1 Beloved Princess elim and then talk his way out of it is something he'd absolutely relish doing. I think the way he's going about it is scummy.

[Save The Dragons]

my point isn't necessarily that there's a slip but that there's reasons behind the push, it's not like people are targeting them for just lurking

Did I pick up the Super Magnet without realising? People just diving in the line of fire.

yeah i have no fucking clue what that means

[Flavor Leaf]

@STD -it's things like the way they posts they choose to say "'this is town" to. It's the type of town reads they throw together in one. Like Catboi isn't strong with casing, but they tell it very smooth/genuine.

They are going to come across as genuine as scum, they just are. You can tell with the way they smooth talk.

But Catboi, while acting smooth, is trying super hard here to keep momentum on my slot, and Medium Rare Cooked Too Long here is gonna be a townie puppet they get empower.

[Flavor Leaf]

let's just try our luck with the beloved princess and see what crazy stuff happens over night.

VOTE: Mastina

Also, again, ridiculously sketchy, coming right after Wallflower expressed doubt on mastina in 2180 and Toogeloo had expressed a willingness to vote momentum. It looks like potentially he's hoping to seize on the momentum to eliminate a beloved princess and get an advantage off that

I really don't like this either but I'm again unsure how scummy it is. Flavor's now under a bit of pressure and if Mastina were to get eliminated (I don't think it happens this turn) and is town then I don't think Flavor survives D2.

I actually think it's one of the scummiest things he's done. You don't know about this since you're new, but Flavor Leaf is a player who likes to brag about talking his way out of hard guilties as scum on multiple occasions. He also tried to get a mason voted out in a game, simply as a challenge to himself to say he did it. Attempting to push through something as obviously antitown as a Day 1 Beloved Princess elim and then talk his way out of it is something he'd absolutely relish doing. I think the way he's going about it is scummy.

Explain the way I'm going about it.

[catboi]

Killing off a scum lurker such as Nashville is a pretty good day 1 elim me thinks.

Okay, why Nashville in particular for you, over any number of the other lurky players?

You kind of answered it already in your reads list; their progression on you made no sense and I think they just forgot who they were pretending to be scumreading lol

I wouldn’t say lurking is the sole or even the primary reason for scumreading them. They happen to also be lurking. And their slip makes them the most likely to flip scum

I was asking norwee in particular because I wanted to see his justification for it, I have a bone to pick with him.

[The Keeper]

Also you said there's a slip.
So is there, or isn;t there?

[Save The Dragons]

Also you said there's a slip.
So is there, or isn;t there?

did you read what i said

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The keeper, can you summarize your reads?

Pedit: it’s a perspective slip, or call it what you want - their reads aren’t internally consistent @the keeper

[Save The Dragons]

i did not say "there is no slip" i said there are reasons behind pushing nashville

equating it to just being a lurker push is icky

[Flavor Leaf]

but Flavor Leaf is a player who likes to brag about talking his way out of hard guilties as scum on multiple occasions. He also tried to get a mason voted out in a game, simply as a challenge to himself to say he did it.

This is false, but I see why it's genuinely thought, but this is painting a picture of me as someone who just wants that shit for the sake of it.


One: I'm not going to risk a game trying to get Mastina, someone I fully expect not to get faded from me pushing that way.
Two: I would prefer not to get hard guilitied. It just happens.
Three: I don't push Masons for the challenge, although I do like it, is not the reason. I push it as scum because it's better for the scum wincon.

Any gambits I take are generally incredibly safe, I just take risks, but always calculated risks.

I'm insanely calculating as scum.

And this is not it.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Killing off a scum lurker such as Nashville is a pretty good day 1 elim me thinks.

Okay, why Nashville in particular for you, over any number of the other lurky players?

You kind of answered it already in your reads list; their progression on you made no sense and I think they just forgot who they were pretending to be scumreading lol

I wouldn’t say lurking is the sole or even the primary reason for scumreading them. They happen to also be lurking. And their slip makes them the most likely to flip scum

I was asking norwee in particular because I wanted to see his justification for it,

I have a bone to pick with him.

Okay, why?

Also Norwee isn’t such a bad player that he can’t make up a valid justification for something like this

[Flavor Leaf]

I also truly don't believe fading a Beloved Princess is better for scum in this situation nor is it that big of a challenge.

[Flavor Leaf]

Killing off a scum lurker such as Nashville is a pretty good day 1 elim me thinks.

Okay, why Nashville in particular for you, over any number of the other lurky players?

You kind of answered it already in your reads list; their progression on you made no sense and I think they just forgot who they were pretending to be scumreading lol

I wouldn’t say lurking is the sole or even the primary reason for scumreading them. They happen to also be lurking. And their slip makes them the most likely to flip scum

I was asking norwee in particular because I wanted to see his justification for it,

I have a bone to pick with him.

Okay, why?

Also Norwee isn’t such a bad player that he can’t make up a valid justification for something like this

He's pushing Norwegian because Norwegian's been backing me up, and to Catboi's own call, he likes to target the minions first.


Catboi is pushing like he thinks Nashville, Norwegian, and I are a scum team, but he's not bringing that up because it's too on the dot, and it would weaken his pushes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nashville is the compromise wagon, and thus I think they're more likely to be town.

I've stated my thoughts multiple times on Nashville, yet Catboi came in to try to use that as their main reason for me being scum.

I believe my Nashville read makes a lot of sense, and you can see that seeing Titus as possible scum, and then not voting her is just something I do on the regular.

[Save The Dragons]

FL - what's one thing that catboi has done that is making you potentially doubt your read?

[Flavor Leaf]

FL - what's one thing that catboi has done that is making you potentially doubt your read?

The fact they weren't pushing me earlier when I was pushing them.

[Flavor Leaf]

But look, they were attacking everywhere else on the wagon except me basically, and had they went after me then, they'd have gotten more heat.

They actively waited until I had some pressure to flip, and they tried to push whatever reasons they could find, and word them like they were scum.


The Mastina vote and the Nashville read are their reasonings.

I don't believe it. It's a fabricated push and read. They know I am town. And yes, this is multiball, but I don't believe they believe that I am scum still. I think they are reading me as town.

They are scum who is calling out faults and inconsistencies in my town play, not calling out reasons why I am scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I could do FL if that’s what you’re getting at cb

Bro, like come on. It’s Day fucking 1.

This is a slimy post.

No, you're just ignorant to context.

And I dont give a fuck if i'm slimy. I am still town.

We have to kill someone on day fucking 1

This is an ate post

I don't care.

And you're also just being ignorant again.

That's not a sentiment I have towards everyone. I specifically stated it towards Menalque.

[Flavor Leaf]

Catboi/Cassowary scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

possibly Mastina. Would make a lot of sense.

That would make Catboi chainsawing, and using the Mastina vote as a reason.

Catboi/Mastina/Cassowary?

I dont necessarily expect this to be right, but it's my way too early prediction for a team.

[The Keeper]

Also you said there's a slip.
So is there, or isn;t there?

did you read what i said

Did you?

Killing off a scum lurker such as Nashville is a pretty good day 1 elim me thinks.

Okay, why Nashville in particular for you, over any number of the other lurky players?

You kind of answered it already in your reads list; their progression on you made no sense and I think they just forgot who they were pretending to be scumreading lol

I wouldn’t say lurking is the sole or even the primary reason for scumreading them. They happen to also be lurking. And their slip makes them the most likely to flip scum

@keeper

"Their slip" is factored in.

my point isn't necessarily that there's a slip but that there's reasons behind the push, it's not like people are targeting them for just lurking

Suddenly its not important.

i did not say "there is no slip" i said there are reasons behind pushing nashville

equating it to just being a lurker push is icky

And I didn't - again, whatever you infer is what you infer.
Nashville isn't the only one who's been lurker pushed.

Nice you gave yourself the clown hat though, just as I warming up to you too.

[Save The Dragons]

Also you said there's a slip.
So is there, or isn;t there?

did you read what i said

Did you?

yes i did read what i said

Killing off a scum lurker such as Nashville is a pretty good day 1 elim me thinks.

Okay, why Nashville in particular for you, over any number of the other lurky players?

You kind of answered it already in your reads list; their progression on you made no sense and I think they just forgot who they were pretending to be scumreading lol

I wouldn’t say lurking is the sole or even the primary reason for scumreading them. They happen to also be lurking. And their slip makes them the most likely to flip scum

@keeper

"Their slip" is factored in.

my point isn't necessarily that there's a slip but that there's reasons behind the push, it's not like people are targeting them for just lurking

Suddenly its not important.

that's not exactly what that says, my point isn't "hey look at this slip" it's "hey look at this reasoning" the slip is irrelevant it's the fact that there's reasoning that's important, and that's what my post says so i'm not sure where you're getting on about me caring whether or not there's a slip

i did not say "there is no slip" i said there are reasons behind pushing nashville

equating it to just being a lurker push is icky

And I didn't - again, whatever you infer is what you infer.
Nashville isn't the only one who's been lurker pushed.

Nice you gave yourself the clown hat though, just as I warming up to you too.

then what the fuck was the point of that post

saying "oh look at this" but then backing down every time someone tries to justify anything from it is slimy as shit

[Flavor Leaf]

Keeper, Nashville feels like a compromise wagon that came about because they're not fully invested in this game, so I do think it's close to a lurker push, but not exactly, because they did try to make some reads.

I just think the reads came about because they weren't active, if that makes sense.

So I somewhat get where STD is coming from, but yeah, I don't agree with the Nashville wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

let's just try our luck with the beloved princess and see what crazy stuff happens over night.

VOTE: Mastina

Also, again, ridiculously sketchy, coming right after Wallflower expressed doubt on mastina in 2180 and Toogeloo had expressed a willingness to vote momentum. It looks like potentially he's hoping to seize on the momentum to eliminate a beloved princess and get an advantage off that

I really don't like this either but I'm again unsure how scummy it is. Flavor's now under a bit of pressure and if Mastina were to get eliminated (I don't think it happens this turn) and is town then I don't think Flavor survives D2.

I actually think it's one of the scummiest things he's done. You don't know about this since you're new, but Flavor Leaf is a player who likes to brag about talking his way out of hard guilties as scum on multiple occasions. He also tried to get a mason voted out in a game, simply as a challenge to himself to say he did it. Attempting to push through something as obviously antitown as a Day 1 Beloved Princess elim and then talk his way out of it is something he'd absolutely relish doing. I think the way he's going about it is scummy.

Explain the way I'm going about it.

Noting the disappearance of Catboi even though they posted right after this.