Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

Ill take one out of catboi’s playbook.

Butterchurn is town for 2462

[Klick]

I want today to end

[catboi]

Poor newbies underestimating the scum game of a guy whose schtick is that he likes to talk about how good he is as scum

Yeah I'm going to be honest Catboi, these posts do not help at all, and the same goes for Flavor when they're making similar posts. I don't claim to be an expert at this game nor even particularly good at it, but we have no reason to blindly trust you on this, and posts like this feel designed to make players (I presume Butter above) doubt their reads not for inherently being inaccurate or bad but for failing to understand complex meta dynamics only experienced players can get. Essentially going by this logic it's somewhat impossible for a player who hasn't played with Flavor to town read them and only your read (or the reads of others who agree with you) can be accurate.

Poor newbies underestimating the scum game of a guy whose schtick is that he likes to talk about how good he is as scum

If this is in response to me, I don't think this is a very fair read of my take on the situation. I have a lot of respect for his scum game (as well as yours, which is part of why I'm going to confidently call either of you town at this point), but I feel like in your case on him you are missing one of the key things that you always talk about -- why these things make him scum. I gave reasons for why I believe the actions that he is taking are not things that he is more likely to do as scum. I'm open to hearing more of your reasons. If you are town here, this isn't the response that I would have expected.

Sorry, that was probably a little bit too rude it's just I keep reading these arguments of "I don't think he'd do this as scum" that are...severely underestimating what he is willing to do and it's hard for me to argue against that? I have already accepted both because of the claim and the overall reads on him he's not getting flipped day 1 so there's not a lot of help in me pounding that read into the ground. I thought I was pretty self-evidently clear that I don't believe the BP push is being done out of town motivation, I think it's an audacious scum play, and I think the way he handled being pushed by Well Done was an extremely scummy reaction. If you remain

unconvinced

by those things, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to explain it in a way that will satisfy you right now. Probably best to discuss other reads instead given I don't think either of us is going to sway the other here.

[catboi]

I want today to end

then vote ND

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm going to make a nice little call out now.

Every single one of you who wants to take on the lurker and inactive slots, cheat yourselves a Bozo the Clown.

Because this game is very much dominated by clowns.

399, 204, 193, 177, 157, 156, 149.
Then its 99, 85, 81, 77, 73, 62, 60, 57, 40, 36, 31 - some of who are being called out as inactive coaster slots.

Ever thought they just don't want to drege through The Dross that is most of the posts from those top tier posters?

I'm going to make a nice little call out now.

Every single one of you who wants to take on the lurker and inactive slots, cheat yourselves a Bozo the Clown.

Because this game is very much dominated by clowns.

399, 204, 193, 177, 157, 156, 149.
Then its 99, 85, 81, 77, 73, 62, 60, 57, 40, 36, 31 - some of who are being called out as inactive coaster slots.

Ever thought they just don't want to drege through The Dross that is most of the posts from those top tier posters?

this is a really weird callout if you didn't actually mean anything by it

I have said exactly what I meant.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.

There is intent.
Anyone calling out lurkers is a clown.
Look at the sheer volume of posts - Because theres some clowns there too.
I am active, and yet, people are calling out "Lurkers" with more posts than me.

VOTE: The Keeper

Yeah the more I read these posts the more I dislike them. They feel incredibly panicky and contradictory. On the other hand Keeper seems to be unhappy with the repetitive state of the game, which is fair enough, but on the other hand they are completely opposed to us going after other slots which haven't gotten a lot of attention so far?

It's not as if we were just suddenly decide to vote someone and they're out...it takes time and by targeting a player we force them into action and get information which lets us read them as either town or not.

Also, in a 23-player game with lots of activity, I'd argue having under 40/50 posts at this point is quite notable. People have had plenty of time to come up with content.

And Keeper's posts in general early on just don't feel like they reveal much anyway, very much coasting by without putting any pressure on anyone. As per my own style I don't think they exactly need to be all over several players at this point in the game but there's very much nothing there at all despite a substantial post count.

[Cephrir]

votecount 1.12

Nashville Dreams (6) | NorwegianboyEE, Wallflower, butterchurn, Save The Dragons, Cat Scratch Fever, Toogeloo

catboi (4) | SCP 682, MegAzumarill, MonkeyMan576, Flavor Leaf

MonkeyMan576 (3) | Nashville Dreams, cassowary, bnuuy

bnuuy (1) | Menalque
SCP 682 (1) | tictac
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Flavor Leaf (1) | Well Done
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
tictac (1) | catboi
The Keeper (1) | MalcolmTucker

Not Voting | Enchant, mastina, Klick

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

SCP 682 replaces Tracer Bullet.

[catboi]

oh christ lmao

the people who are upset about the page count

now

are in for it

[SCP 682]

sup.

UNVOTE:

i skimmed game and i think FL, catboi and mena are all town

[SCP 682]

oh christ lmao

the people who are upset about the page count

now

are in for it

lol dw i promise to play more subdued, im training myself to read more, talk less

[MalcolmTucker]

oh christ lmao

the people who are upset about the page count

now

are in for it

I think you can have a game that's active without being entirely cluttered with some arguments being constantly repeated.

Naturally there's going to be some town in lower activity posters but I don't like Keeper's suggestion we should inherently stay away from said players and I really dislike the way they framed their post above.

[MalcolmTucker]

Oh wait Catboi was referring to the replacement.

[SCP 682]

VOTE: Butterchurn

I got scum pings on reading this slot like half an hour ago I just remembered

Going to ISO and see if I can substantiate, but I am reminded of this Mini Normal in which Butterchurn was mafia: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88570

[SCP 682]

Oh yes and Sword of Ducks is also pretty transparently townie I think , I saw what catboi said about the slot I think bout them being pocketed by FL or something and I think that rings true. (At least I assume that was the context was of what I read there)

[The Keeper]

Not liking the automatic shade that seems to be getting dished out for quieter players being suspected/being suggested as possible wagons. Quite frankly I'd rather we force some lurkers to do some actual work and defend themselves instead of the same arguments that don't appear to be convincing anybody rolling on page after page.

That's not directed at any one post - just generally some of the comments (mostly by Keeper) that have been getting thrown around on recent pages.

Not directed at one post.... but most of Keepers posts.

Love it.

Thing is I'm not throwing out that kind of shade, It's a specific type.
Shove a lurker by all means, just make sure you don't call them a lurker when they're more active than me who basically set off a TNT Chain today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Catboi, your case is essentially "Flavor would do that as scum makes him scum!" which is one of the weakest cases you can make against me.

[SCP 682]

Nashville dreams = Nora + titus right?

2 players I absolutely blow at reading haha.

I do feel that Nora is not as aggressive against the pushers but I think they have not posted since this push has picked up speed so that might be innaccurate.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's also fairly obvious you're not familiar with my actual scum play.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nashville dreams = Nora + titus right?

2 players I absolutely blow at reading haha.

I do feel that Nora is not as aggressive against the pushers but I think they have not posted since this push has picked up speed so that might be innaccurate.

Malakittens and Titus

[catboi]

Oh yes and Sword of Ducks is also pretty transparently townie I think , I saw what catboi said about the slot I think bout them being pocketed by FL or something and I think that rings true. (At least I assume that was the context was of what I read there)

that wasn't about SoD actually it was more about the players defending FL to me

but SoD claimed VT unprompted he's just blatant town

[catboi]

Catboi, your case is essentially "Flavor would do that as scum makes him scum!" which is one of the weakest cases you can make against me.

I think that's reductive but I accept that I am mostly not being convincing. We'll see. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

[SCP 682]

ok I ISOd tictac on a whim and they seem wolfy.

Butterchurn/tictac already have 2 scumreads pog

[The Keeper]

I'm going to make a nice little call out now.

Every single one of you who wants to take on the lurker and inactive slots, cheat yourselves a Bozo the Clown.

Because this game is very much dominated by clowns.

399, 204, 193, 177, 157, 156, 149.
Then its 99, 85, 81, 77, 73, 62, 60, 57, 40, 36, 31 - some of who are being called out as inactive coaster slots.

Ever thought they just don't want to drege through The Dross that is most of the posts from those top tier posters?

I'm going to make a nice little call out now.

Every single one of you who wants to take on the lurker and inactive slots, cheat yourselves a Bozo the Clown.

Because this game is very much dominated by clowns.

399, 204, 193, 177, 157, 156, 149.
Then its 99, 85, 81, 77, 73, 62, 60, 57, 40, 36, 31 - some of who are being called out as inactive coaster slots.

Ever thought they just don't want to drege through The Dross that is most of the posts from those top tier posters?

this is a really weird callout if you didn't actually mean anything by it

I have said exactly what I meant.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.

There is intent.
Anyone calling out lurkers is a clown.
Look at the sheer volume of posts - Because theres some clowns there too.
I am active, and yet, people are calling out "Lurkers" with more posts than me.

VOTE: The Keeper

Yeah the more I read these posts the more I dislike them. They feel incredibly panicky and contradictory. On the other hand Keeper seems to be unhappy with the repetitive state of the game, which is fair enough, but on the other hand they are completely opposed to us going after other slots which haven't gotten a lot of attention so far?

It's not as if we were just suddenly decide to vote someone and they're out...it takes time and by targeting a player we force them into action and get information which lets us read them as either town or not.

Also, in a 23-player game with lots of activity, I'd argue having under 40/50 posts at this point is quite notable. People have had plenty of time to come up with content.

And Keeper's posts in general early on just don't feel like they reveal much anyway, very much coasting by without putting any pressure on anyone. As per my own style I don't think they exactly need to be all over several players at this point in the game but there's very much nothing there at all despite a substantial post count.

Do you even language?
I don't panic. i'm dead. I can't panic.
I've no problem with the repetivity of the game, if I did I shouldn't play mafia, or Isaac.... or any other game actually...

Substantial post count is from today only. I got bored and wanted entertaining so I thought I'd drop a Mama Mega.

I called out people who wanted to put pressure on lurker slots who were more active than me while I seemingly coasted by like a fart on the winds... turns out I ate a Black Bean and people are catching my whiffs.

Those who turned on lurkers ignored me, and I found that sus.

[SCP 682]

catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

[catboi]

catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

Yeah I'm done yelling about it don't worry

[Cat Scratch Fever]

keeper your opinion of the nashville wagon is not reality i'm sorry but that's the point people are trying to make

I gave an opinion on the wagon?

News to me...

I wasn't actually pushing anything. I threw a post out that you could have just as easily responded to as they did. I wasn't defending anyone in particular, I was decrying anyone who decided to call out the lurkers.

Several people decided to punch TNT Barrels and run into the Akeldama I apparently picked up with a Super Magnet.

Oh I see.

Do you have an opinion on the ND wagon then What about the tictac one?