Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[catboi]

Hey SCP, mind telling me how I'm being "too narrow"???

I already discarded that part. I jumped the gun but it overall doesn't override the tonal/instigatory vibe I get from you. I feel your thread presence is calculated in a way that is scum motivated.

now you're just shifting reasons again, if you felt it was off why not just say that? Why does my reads list look like I'm hunting for the other team exactly?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, honestly, if Catboi flips scum, Butter's next, tbh

I jumped the gun with this.

Butters still town for me. I’ve thought this and used this as reason for scum pushing me before.

I just got a bad ping that they were trying to defend Catboi, and maybe they were, but i still can’t shake their defense on me earlier when I don’t think it benefited them as scum

[SCP 682]

Really? Quote what that's based on.

[catboi]

I do not believe that the priority here has been in determining my alignment, but rather to have me look stupid

no your own posts do that plenty well

[Wallflower]

Well okay then

[butterchurn]

Yeah, honestly, if Catboi flips scum, Butter's next, tbh

I jumped the gun with this.

Butters still town for me. I’ve thought this and used this as reason for scum pushing me before.

I just got a bad ping that they were trying to defend Catboi, and maybe they were, but i still can’t shake their defense on me earlier when I don’t think it benefited them as scum

If you and SCP have your minds set on something, I don't think there's anything I could say that would convince you otherwise, so if I were scum with catboi here I don't think that defending him would be a wise choice. I'm just looking for scum, and the way that SCP positioned themselves shortly after entering looked opportunistic and suspicious to me.

[SCP 682]

butter - I see an implication that you have catboi as a townread in recentish posts but you have not stated it. What IS your read on catboi?

[butterchurn]

VOTE: Butterchurn

I got scum pings on reading this slot like half an hour ago I just remembered

Going to ISO and see if I can substantiate, but I am reminded of this Mini Normal in which Butterchurn was mafia: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88570

What about my play reminds you of that game?

I think Mena has strong malefactor equity too.

What made you switch from thinking Flavor Leaf was malefactor to thinking that Menalque is?

I would still like a response to this, SCP.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, honestly, if Catboi flips scum, Butter's next, tbh

I jumped the gun with this.

Butters still town for me. I’ve thought this and used this as reason for scum pushing me before.

I just got a bad ping that they were trying to defend Catboi, and maybe they were, but i still can’t shake their defense on me earlier when I don’t think it benefited them as scum

If you and SCP have your minds set on something, I don't think there's anything I could say that would convince you otherwise, so if I were scum with catboi here I don't think that defending him would be a wise choice. I'm just looking for scum, and the way that SCP positioned themselves shortly after entering looked opportunistic and suspicious to me.

I agree. I also didn’t like the way they entered as you can probably tell.

I still think Catboi is just scum here, though.

[butterchurn]

butter - I see an implication that you have catboi as a townread in recentish posts but you have not stated it. What IS your read on catboi?

I had catboi as a townread early, found Flavor's initial case compelling, and found catboi's response to some of Flavor's casing less than compelling. However, I struggle with the read as when I read catboi's posts, there's a lot of them where it just feels like a genuine town reaction. I know that he's a strong scum player and likely is good at creating that sort of reaction, so I should be careful to use that sort of gutread as a basis. I also disagree with some of his pushes, such as the ones on Norwegianboy and Wallflower. I would say that at this point I have him as slightly leaning scum, but not as strongly as most of my other scumreads.

[SCP 682]

You have him leaning scum?

Did you have him leaning scum when you voted Monkeyman and Tracer(my slot)?

[SCP 682]

VOTE: Butterchurn

I got scum pings on reading this slot like half an hour ago I just remembered

Going to ISO and see if I can substantiate, but I am reminded of this Mini Normal in which Butterchurn was mafia: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88570

What about my play reminds you of that game?

I think Mena has strong malefactor equity too.

What made you switch from thinking Flavor Leaf was malefactor to thinking that Menalque is?

I would still like a response to this, SCP.

I townread FL now and I read into Menalque more closely. Simple as that.

FL claimed mason+is in a monkery with me and I believed he was pushing a scum agenda due to our vastly opposing perspective.

I think the aggression towards me however is +town from him tho and is a polarizing point of his meta interacting with me. As scum he is more complacent about how I myself make my reads and who I'm reading and here he cares about my reads and who im pushing.

[SCP 682]

actually on second thought butter doesnt need to be aligned with catboi. i'm reading thru the game I have and they tend to have TMI issues.

[SCP 682]

u know what can we just kill enchant

i feel like thats the least headache wagon that actually flips scum and is easy to objectively see.


i dont have the wherewithal to fight off rebuttals for things that I may have misattributed as scum behavior that is NAI but my case is overall correct kind of thing and catboi will leave a bread trail to scum him over the course of the game anyways and will never endgame here.

mena or enchant are the 2 most obvious objectively I feel and I hope others can agree on that.

[butterchurn]

You have him leaning scum?

Did you have him leaning scum when you voted Monkeyman and Tracer(my slot)?

I don't remember the exact timeline of events off the top of my head, but I believe that I voted Tracer before Flavor made his case on catboi. That was the first time I started to question my townread. So I believe the answer would be no.

[Wallflower]

u know what can we just kill enchant

i feel like thats the least headache wagon that actually flips scum and is easy to objectively see.


i dont have the wherewithal to fight off rebuttals for things that I may have misattributed as scum behavior that is NAI but my case is overall correct kind of thing and catboi will leave a bread trail to scum him over the course of the game anyways and will never endgame here.

mena or enchant are the 2 most obvious objectively I feel and I hope others can agree on that.

I know I was guilty of getting distracted here, but I’m going to ask that we please elim catboi

[Flavor Leaf]

actually on second thought butter doesnt need to be aligned with catboi. i'm reading thru the game I have and they tend to have TMI issues.

Enchants a low poster, plus is not doing anything if they are scum. Enchant is incredibly easy to read in a couple days time.

Menalque, Catboi is just a better fade that can prove Menalque is wrong if they flip scum, and we have like 6 votes on Catboi, people understand for the most part why we’re pushing there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Catboi flip gives so much insight regardless of what they flip.

Menalque has like nothing in their ISO, and it would just lead back to Catboi anyways

[MonkeyMan576]

I agree with FL, lot's of opinions on the cat, like we needed another reason to flip them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Butterchurn leaning scum on Catboi and defending them here with hesitance to vote them in this position is townie.

Or I’m just wrong and they’re scum, but i think that’s way too obvious of a linking.

[Flavor Leaf]

For the most part, I’ve liked the people on the Catboi wagon as well.

Sure there could be, and likely is, a scum on them.

I would bet that it’s not the same side of scum as Catboi because I can’t see Catboi’s team bussing them here, so that likely shows why it hasn’t been able to get traction.

If Catboi was town, both scum teams would be swarming at something like that.

Catboi has both scum and townies defending them.

I don’t believe there’s many scum on Catboi wagon, though.

1, 2 max. Malefactor included

[butterchurn]

I would still prefer a Nashville Dreams elimination, to be clear.

[catboi]

u know what can we just kill enchant

i feel like thats the least headache wagon that actually flips scum and is easy to objectively see.


i dont have the wherewithal to fight off rebuttals for things that I may have misattributed as scum behavior that is NAI but my case is overall correct kind of thing and catboi will leave a bread trail to scum him over the course of the game anyways and will never endgame here.

mena or enchant are the 2 most obvious objectively I feel and I hope others can agree on that.

I would gladly compromise on enchant but think you're out of your mind on menalque

people are going to start shrieking that you're going after LHF though

[Cat Scratch Fever]

SCP how exactly are you reading ND?

Spoiler:

Bnuuy is a lazy wagon that will probably go through.

Stand by they're probably town.

Nashville wagon is even lazier - you cant eat your cake and have it too

So FL in our monastery claimed to be in a masonry - it is entirely possible he is a malefactor here and the play lines up with that theory - so I will likely be ignoring the slot going forward unless they deliver a scum.
They also contradicted their claim of 3 hoods at the start saying he does not have another hood.

If they try to claim anything more than that what is claimed from them - do not counterclaim it.


I believe their push to go for active posters who, I am currently townreading, is actively trying to push scum agenda but I am not sure as its day 1 and I could be wrong but I wanted to float the theory so people don't just let this happen and are not aware of the potential variables in play here.

I think I am now more comfortable with a Nashville wagon -> however I want them to come back and post before I commit.

I am mainly otherwise looking at : butterchurn, bunny, klick, tictac

btw @Malcom, how do you feel about tictac wolf?

butter/tictac/klick/bunny - ww
enchant/mena/cass/catboi - maf

this is what i reached in the monastery. mena could swap out for one of my other PoE reads - I think they are most likely malefactor.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yep, your opinion is noted, but the catboi wagon is the most pro town.