Mini Normal 2271 - Game Over

[MalcolmTucker]

If in your imagined world, two mafia could have quickhammered you so you claimed... then what does that say about me.

I said mafia could have left me at E-1. I'm currently on E-2. It's pretty clear there I'm identifying you could be mafia who's already on me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I tried Kitty D1 and D2 but nothing. In retrospect I imagine someone else perhaps took on the kill, I'd just reckoned at the time Kitty may have been more likely to carry it out than someone like yourself for example.

And still your top suspect is Kitty?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 4.01

With 7 players, it takes 4 to make a decision. Day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-05-08 22:30:00).

VC

MalcolmTucker [2]:

Roden [3354], humaneatingmonkey [3360] ---

E-2

KittyTacky [1]:

MalcolmTucker [3355]

Not voting [4]:

MathBlade, KittyTacky, Gamma Emerald, Malakittens

[MalcolmTucker]

unless I can somehow be convinced of an alternative wagon on someone who's received less attention.

hahaha scuuuum

There's probably no point in interacting with you going forward for you because you're clearly either scum trying to manipulate the game or there's a slim chance of you being town not bothering to read.

To others - eliminate HEM/Kitty. One of them will surely be scum at this point. HEM has no actual scum-case on me here. I've no defended two vanilla townie bandwagons. I defended Jackson when they claime and pointed out I thought they were pretty much locktown beforehand. Italiano also thought I was town and said so. HEM has no hammered two townies and has prompted another claim from town here.

[MalcolmTucker]

My top suspects are you/Kitty yes. Kitty in retrospect is unlikely to have carried out the kill.

[humaneatingmonkey]

has prompted another claim from town here.

what a frame

[MalcolmTucker]

has prompted another claim from town here.

what a frame

You left me at E-2. When do you think I should have claimed? E-1 would have been risky if final mafia was not yet on the wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

and you think this is my purpose why?

[humaneatingmonkey]

let me get this straight

you are a simple jailkeeper in a world where here had already been two investigatives
you had 2 days straight clear of KittyTacky, and they're still your top suspect
you think i'm scum because i hammered two townies, and i forced your claim — even though you preemptively claimed

am i misrepping you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

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[humaneatingmonkey]

you had 2 days straight clear of KittyTacky, and they're still your top suspect

and instead of voting me — the guy you didn't have a clear on — you voted the guy you had a 2 days straight clear of

[humaneatingmonkey]

unless I can somehow be convinced of an alternative wagon on someone who's received less attention.

hahaha scuuuum

oh and also... despite being somehow solid in your deduction that it's between me and kitty... both viable wagons today... you are willing to elim elsewhere?

[humaneatingmonkey]

tell me if im manipulating the gamestate or not, because this sure as hell seems like you're scum

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[Roden]

Can we PLEASE stop claiming when put under minimal fucking pressure

[Roden]

Malcolm why are you concerned you could get quick hammered at Day start? Like...whoever would do so would just be scum claiming. This isn't ELO, that would've just been a trap to catch scum.

[Roden]

VOTE: Malcolm

What makes you look at the voting patterns so far and make you think I am mafia? Why do I sit off both the Scorpious and Italiano wagon, making a strong defence for both? I was defending Jackson as town from as soon as they made their claim because it should have been pretty obvious in retrospect that they were town. If you are town you should be looking at Kitty or HEM here, unless you have an alternative idea at all.

Because I think you're a deep wolf. Your play is way too squeaky clean to still be alive. Sitting off both mis-elim wagons and claiming to have defended them doesn't mean much if they still get voted out, it just means you don't take any blame for the wagon. And honestly I don't think it makes any sense from a town perspective to confidently town read either of them, there were plenty of reasons to doubt that they'd flip green. And besides that, town casing someone and putting actual effort into trying to stop a mis-elim are two completely different things. You did the former but I don't remember you actively trying to stop people from voting out your town reads.

Additionally, why would scum kill JV? I town read him too, but he offered anti-town utility with his role and had a generally abrasive tone/attitude that made people want to vote him. The NK just seems like a basic "kill the PRs" NK, but he wasn't confirmed and he didn't have any actual power. And the scum team clearly believed we had an actual Vig (hence why Andres tried to claim Vig instead of Doc), so why didn't they go PR hunting or at least try to kill consensus town reads?

Also, if you think the voting patterns are alignment indicative, then why aren't you suspicious of Gamma? He was also on both mis-elim wagons.

[Roden]

Can somebody who's good at set up spec explain why caught scum would claim ungated Vig instead of Doc?

Somewhat unrelated, but I think with JV's flip it's pretty likely scum have a Rolecop, and that's why Andres claimed Vig. I think they checked JV on Night 1, since two other people already claimed roles and they wanted to know what he was a backup of.

[Roden]

UNVOTE: for now since I'm going to bed soon.

[KittyTacky]

based on?

I got bad vibes from your earlier play and also I didn't like your reaction to JV's push. Not much to go off of but I don't scumread many people.

I'm sorry Italiano but you shouldn't have pushed NK15 after the claim. That's just sus amogus.

Well I still think there's at least one scum between HEM and Mala.

Once again I outlined during D3 why a vote on Italiano didn't make sense. You continue to take the lowest hanging fruit and use that to justify your vote but this is the second time it's seen you eliminate a townie. I think you're obvious mafia at this point.

VOTE: KittyTacky

Your reasoning made no sense. He was scummy, people agreed he was scummy, just because he was town doesn't make me mafia, because town is uninformed. I am not to blame for other townies' poor play getting them hanged.

[KittyTacky]

He didn't sit on Scorpious? Mafia doesn't have to be on every townie wagon precisely due to that line of thinking.

Quote a single towntell from Scorp or JV.

[KittyTacky]

I'm neutral on Malcolm, I'm not sure about the JK claim, there's a good amount of town power already flipped. I entertain the idea that he is simply wrong town.

[KittyTacky]

He is in my lim pool but I am not jumping the gun with my vote so early into the day.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: hem

I want u dead

[Gamma Emerald]

simple jailkeeper is a very sus claim given flips

[MathBlade]

For me the team is now Kitty-HEM, with Math potentially as backup choice but I may have been reaching there on D3 with my reads. HEM was essentially able to ride out that turn but basically just came back without reading the game again to eliminate another townie.

show us your results

I tried Kitty D1 and D2 but nothing. In retrospect I imagine someone else perhaps took on the kill, I'd just reckoned at the time Kitty may have been more likely to carry it out than someone like yourself for example.

I tried Math D3 out of interest but nothing there either. Should have probably gone for you in retrospect but ah well, happy with eliminating either you or Kitty this turn at the moment unless I can somehow be convinced of an alternative wagon on someone who's received less attention.

Yeah this is incredibly suspicious.

I don’t see why you wouldn’t have waited or pushed for any remaining PRs to claim and use it like a check of sorts.

Let’s say you’re town here

Then you intentionally simple cop checked Kitty N1 (will have to see if that makes sense based on reads). There’s no way you believed Kitty was the target so you’d have to believe Kitty was the person doing the killing. So Kitty either A> Didnt do the kill or B > Is a PR

There was a death N1 and Andres flipped goon which would have been caught by your simple JK.

Why on N2 would you pick the same target again?