Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[mastina]

i think titus is scum and mala is town

I mean this is always the case for them. (But for real, see below.)

how come you doubt the VT but didn't doubt when mastina claimed with zero pressure on her

Uh, Beloved Princess is like a Miller or Ascetic--it's a role you

never

leave unclaimed on D1.

Like, what are people going to say if the game gets to day-before-lylo and a player who has survived to that point claims beloved princess? As in, a role that if true would be literally game-losing to eliminate on that day-before-lylo by turning it effectively into lylo?

For the same reason you claim Miller/Ascetic on D1 to avoid a town investigative investigating you and getting a false guilty resulting in you being run up for not claiming, you claim Beloved Princess on D1 to avoid the potential of the town throwing the game. (This is especially true because I've been speedlimmed before with no chance to claim. What happens if I've not claimed on, say, D4, and then I get run up while not expecting it? Very Bad Things, I'd assume.)

Does anyone here think Titus did not in fact roll an scum role this game?

*raises hand*

Norwee, I trust you to be town but with respect, the Titus hydra is town ten times over in every way possible. Titus has hard-townslipped, Titus's posting is town even without the townslip, and Malakittens' posts are as town as town can get.

I find the odds that SoD is VT to be very low, based on the first game role setup.

there were 3 last game what exactly are you referring to

Out of what, 15 or 16 town, that's a pretty low percentage chance.

On that note, I wanna look into the players who have shown familiarity with the last game (including it being fairly low on VTs) and then in spite of having shown that familiarity, displaying suspicion of me.

I'm just going to continue watching the people in the thread for now. I'll add something when I see something worth adding.

This is a slot people think for some reason isn't scum.

Just sayin'.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina’s posting is completely here to chop me down and setup a Toogeloo wagon out

[mastina]

The townread of me + read of catboi as strong Town is also quite dissonant. The effort put in to explain a townread of me is also weirdly selective when explaining the catboi townread would probably be the priority for mastina town? But my guess is that she sees me as the damsel in distress

Well as you pointed out: catboi's a big boi and can show himself to be town quite well on his own.

Beyond that, I already said; most of what makes catboi as strong town as he is, comes from later content in the thread I've not reached in my proper readthrough, content I saw only through skims rather than proper reads. I want to explain the catboi read when I actually get to that.

Which, again, I feel the need to reiterate I

intend

to have finished within the next couple days or so. With a week until deadline, I'm aiming to be caught up at ~4-5 days to go, so as to let me be actively involved in consolidating a wagon.

If y'all eliminated catboi, while I was catching up, with that much time left on the clock: you have zero right to pin the blame of that inevitable townflip on me; that's a combination of the town gamethrowing and the scumteams being opportunistic fucks. I'm not to blame for taking a

perfectly reasonable

course of action in taking time that there is zero reason for me to not take.

Basically--why would I need to focus on defending catboi right now? There's literally zero need to, and if y'all eliminated catboi and then tried to say *I* was suspect, you're (what's the least-bannable way of saying, 'stupid', 'dumb', 'morons', etc.? Because I don't wanna get banned for calling you that but it'd be precisely that), because you'd effectively be gaslighting yourselves by blaming me for something that was entirely not my fault.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking my time when we have a week left, to get caught up and comment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing to both let catboi defend himself and also time my content RE:catboi to be in the appropriate area of me catching up. There IS an issue with forcing a catboi elimination through with a week on the clock, just like there WOULD be an issue in, having forced through a catboi elimination through with a week on the clock, then trying to blame someone unrelated to this rather than blaming those who actually did the deed of eliminating catboi with a week on the deadline clock. (Not sure if I'm explaining this well but basically: with the luxury of time on our side, any artificial forcing of the day is bad and any saying "don't give these players time to catch up" / "these players are suspect for catching up" is also bad especially in tandem with the forcing of the day to end.)

[mastina]

Mastina’s posting is completely here to chop me down and setup a Toogeloo wagon out

Well as a matter of fact: yes, because you're both scum.

[butterchurn]

Why did so much of that post focus on why you should not be to blame for catboi being eliminated when that wasn't ever in question or even brought up at all? Seems like a strangely pre-emptive defensiveness.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: catboi

Just going to leave this here for the night.

[mastina]

People I don't want to eliminate today
butterchurn
Nashville Dreams
Save The Dragons
Wallflower
Well Done
Menalque

People I think are fairly likely to flip scum
Toogeloo
catboi
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy

If catboi was swapped with butterchurn this list would be fairly similar to my own.

Now, granted--not sure it makes Klick town since, well, multiball (and with factions of four, having specifically four scumreads is, well, the amount scum would have), but it does mean that Klick's definitely the name in my below-null list that's least likely to flip scum imo.

Can we lim bnuuy now?
VOTE: bnuuy

I'd be down for that.

Did someone CC Beloved Princess, or i am wrong from skim?

(I hope y'all realize that Enchant actually IS scum here. Since this is Enchant's scumgame.)

(I'm pretty sure FL-Enchant are in fact scumbuddies too btw.)

I think I gotta call it at page 60 (which was 15 pages so the minimum of what I wanted); losing lucidity + want to go to bed somewhat early for tomorrow so I can take a shower.

I don't wanna be late for work tomorrow, so logging in to mafiascum is dangerous, but I'll see if I can squeeze in some time before I leave. (Regardless of if I do or don't tho, will be more around Monday night. Late late Monday night, so late it'll likely be Tuesday morning.)

I will set a hard deadline tho; if I'm not caught up by Tuesday Night, I'll toss out the idea of catching up and just play as-is.

[mastina]

Why did so much of that post focus on why you should not be to blame for catboi being eliminated when that wasn't ever in question or even brought up at all? Seems like a strangely pre-emptive defensiveness.

Uh.

How was it not brought up?

The entirety of Wallflower's post was saying "mastina not defending catboi when catboi should be a priority defense, is suspect". That's literally what Wallflower was saying.

So I was pointing out why I saw no need to defend catboi, and why--if catboi were eliminated while I'm catching up and inevitably flipped town--the idea of saying I was suspect for not defending catboi is ridiculously stupid. Because it is. catboi's not a priority defense for me because I am catching up. There is zero need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through. And thus, saying I'm suspect for not defending catboi when catboi inevitably flips town is rats-ass backwards because the real suspicion

should

be on the players who would've denied me the chance to have done that defense: the players who would've rushed a catboi elimination through.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

mastina is at page 60 and the game is nearly at page 120 already lmao

This day has had pretty much every wagon stalling, and we should really be consolidating wagons instead of vanity wagoning our pet scumreads. I'd be happy with either catboi or ND going through today atp.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would still prefer a Nashville Dreams elimination, to be clear.

Agreed.
There is a lot of talk of wagoning other slots.
But i just want to say, to whichever of the scum is not alligned with Nashville Dreams here. Go ahead and shoot them tonight for an guaranteed scum flip. Increasing your own scum teams chance of survival. Courtesy of Norwee.

[mastina]

Basically:
1: We have a week until deadline
2: I am catching up
3: A fair amount of the strength in my catboi townread comes from content later in my catchup
4: catboi is the main wagon right now
5: I am not defending catboi
6: Wallflower is insinuating that because of point #4, point #5 makes me suspect.
7: I am rebuking that point by demonstrating that, thanks to point #1, there is no need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through
8: If a catboi elimination is not pushed through while I am catching up, there was no need for me to defend him, since I can defend him after the catchup or later during it
9: If a catboi elimination IS pushed through while I am catching up, then it is the players involved that are to blame, not me, because of points 2, 3, and 8.

I'm not sure how else to explain this.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

There's going to be another 40+ pages by Tuesday morning though. But fine, we did also get a recent replacement as well.

[Klick]

I still think they’re scum together if anything. Klick awkwardly keeps mentioning catboi as possible scum but never commits when the going gets tough. Catboi made a big show out of how their early posting was trying to work out Klick’s alignment from Klick’s suspicion of catboi but there was never any real outcome or action from that.

I thought catboi was scummy early on but have been townreading him for a while now

[Flavor Leaf]

If y'all eliminated catboi, while I was catching up, with that much time left on the clock: you have zero right to pin the blame of that inevitable townflip on me; that's a combination of the town gamethrowing and the scumteams being opportunistic fucks. I'm not to blame for taking a perfectly reasonable course of action in taking time that there is zero reason for me to not take.

Why would there be any blame on you let alone pinpointed onto you?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I still think they’re scum together if anything. Klick awkwardly keeps mentioning catboi as possible scum but never commits when the going gets tough. Catboi made a big show out of how their early posting was trying to work out Klick’s alignment from Klick’s suspicion of catboi but there was never any real outcome or action from that.

I thought catboi was scummy early on but have been townreading him for a while now

What changed your mind there?

[mastina]

mastina is at page 60 and the game is nearly at page 120 already lmao

The game has also been open for only a week, and I've been quite swamped during that week. I will catch up faster than the posts are produced, since the speed of my catchup will only continue to accelerate. I only did 15 pages today, sure, but tomorrow I should do at least 30 if not 60, which would get me all the way caught up or most of the way thereto.

That, aside from how the game producing 20 pages a day is not sustainable--the pace of the game will, naturally, slow down. The speed of my catchup will increase and the speed of the game will decrease, for the exact reason you mentioned; things are fairly stalled.

So this is not an issue--not yet.

It'll be an issue if I don't post tomorrow or I start at like 2 am, yeah.

But as of this moment, this is just stupidity on your part for thinking that what I am doing is foolish, nonsensicle, or in any way unproductive. Because I am arguably the player who has the highest chance of, in having done this, actually given the town a direction to move on D1.

With 20 pages per game day, town players' memories are goldfish. They make good points, but promptly forget those very same good points they made. The inverse is also true. With 20 pages per game day, town players can latch onto a read without remembering why, and then never reassess the read in spite of having reason to.

A person catching up can, and does, fix both of those issues because it reminds people of their good points and challenges them on old outdated assumptions they never bothered to update.

This day has had pretty much every wagon stalling, and we should really be consolidating wagons instead of vanity wagoning our pet scumreads. I'd be happy with either catboi or ND going through today atp.

Consolidation

can

start at a week left, but it need not to. Consolidation should begin in the ~3-5 day mark, which is why that's the aim for me to be caught up by and also the point where if I'm not I go "ah well, fuck being caught up" and give up on catching up in spite of the perks thereof.

But that said, when consolidation

does

happen, FUCK the catboi and ND wagons; they're both on town.

I am in fact willing to consolidate; I've no intention to vanity vote. But I'm not voting a townread here and the more and more I see, the more and more sure I am that catboi's as town as town can be. (A status that ND already had.)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I still think they’re scum together if anything. Klick awkwardly keeps mentioning catboi as possible scum but never commits when the going gets tough. Catboi made a big show out of how their early posting was trying to work out Klick’s alignment from Klick’s suspicion of catboi but there was never any real outcome or action from that.

I thought catboi was scummy early on but have been townreading him for a while now

What changed your mind there?

Just one or two quick points. I really don't need or want a wall of text

[mastina]

Why would there be any blame on you let alone pinpointed onto you?

Why did so much of that post focus on why you should not be to blame for catboi being eliminated when that wasn't ever in question or even brought up at all? Seems like a strangely pre-emptive defensiveness.

Uh.

How was it not brought up?

The entirety of Wallflower's post was saying "mastina not defending catboi when catboi should be a priority defense, is suspect". That's literally what Wallflower was saying.

So I was pointing out why I saw no need to defend catboi, and why--if catboi were eliminated while I'm catching up and inevitably flipped town--the idea of saying I was suspect for not defending catboi is ridiculously stupid. Because it is. catboi's not a priority defense for me because I am catching up. There is zero need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through. And thus, saying I'm suspect for not defending catboi when catboi inevitably flips town is rats-ass backwards because the real suspicion

should

be on the players who would've denied me the chance to have done that defense: the players who would've rushed a catboi elimination through.

Basically:
1: We have a week until deadline
2: I am catching up
3: A fair amount of the strength in my catboi townread comes from content later in my catchup
4: catboi is the main wagon right now
5: I am not defending catboi
6: Wallflower is insinuating that because of point #4, point #5 makes me suspect.
7: I am rebuking that point by demonstrating that, thanks to point #1, there is no need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through
8: If a catboi elimination is not pushed through while I am catching up, there was no need for me to defend him, since I can defend him after the catchup or later during it
9: If a catboi elimination IS pushed through while I am catching up, then it is the players involved that are to blame, not me, because of points 2, 3, and 8.

I'm not sure how else to explain this.

There's going to be another 40+ pages by Tuesday morning though. But fine, we did also get a recent replacement as well.

Only if y'all are either stupid or insanely productive.

When productive talk dies out, then the game pace slows down.

If there's 40 new pages, then that means that either it was kept artificially going out of stupidity, or it was kept going because contrary to what you're assuming, the game has not stalled.

Basically, what I am positing is that it is impossible for the game to have its rate of content continue AND have the game be stalled, barring incredible stupidity. It's guaranteed to either slow down to the stall, or keep going because it

isn't

stalled.

I'll fully admit the latter is possible, but in that case I just abandon the catchup to be actively involved in the not-stalled content.

[Klick]

I still think they’re scum together if anything. Klick awkwardly keeps mentioning catboi as possible scum but never commits when the going gets tough. Catboi made a big show out of how their early posting was trying to work out Klick’s alignment from Klick’s suspicion of catboi but there was never any real outcome or action from that.

I still think they’re scum together if anything. Klick awkwardly keeps mentioning catboi as possible scum but never commits when the going gets tough. Catboi made a big show out of how their early posting was trying to work out Klick’s alignment from Klick’s suspicion of catboi but there was never any real outcome or action from that.

I thought catboi was scummy early on but have been townreading him for a while now

What changed your mind there?

1669. I think catboi is not thinking how scum would here.
I also think catboi's presence has been particularly good for thread health and worthwhile content when he has been around - he's not someone I think should be taken out of the discussion today.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

But that said, when consolidation does happen, FUCK the catboi and ND wagons; they're both on town.

I am in fact willing to consolidate; I've no intention to vanity vote. But I'm not voting a townread here and the more and more I see, the more and more sure I am that catboi's as town as town can be. (A status that ND already had.)

I think it's a bit too premature to be saying that, you've only read half the game after all. The juicy ND stuff comes later

[Klick]

Let's go Toogeloo
VOTE: Toogeloo

Although I'd also very happily go FL but that obviously won't happen

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess I just don't consider what you're doing now as not defending Catboi.

Feels like a heavy defense of Catboi.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

1669. I think catboi is not thinking how scum would here.
I also think catboi's presence has been particularly good for thread health and worthwhile content when he has been around - he's not someone I think should be taken out of the discussion today.

I feel like scum can be conscious of multiball and still make that push? I might be biased because I just don't think it's a very good push, but he could just be pushing for the sake of pushing, no?

[Flavor Leaf]

At least one of Klick, Mastina, Cass, Butters, Menalque are scum with Catboi.

Could be 2. Never 3. I think Butters is town, maybe malefactor.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think it's just Klick but yeah

Maybe cass