Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler: Pagetop!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh my god.
Feels like i’m standing on top of a mountain having read up to 120 pages now.

Bookmark

[Klick]

I'm not scum here and I don't think you're scum CSF
The main reason I'm not contributing to the level I'd like to atm is that on any given page I'm reading a bunch of stuff from FL that I don't know how to process, and as a result I feel fairly crowded out of the game
It's stopping me from playing at anywhere near a level I'd be satisfied with
And that's with me having a large amount of time this weekend. It'll be worse once I'm back at work

FL has to know that he's having that effect on the game, and it's worse here than it has been in other games I've been in with him
That's why I think it could be an intentional scum tactic

[Flavor Leaf]

Best post Klick’s had ^

[Flavor Leaf]

Frankly, I have a hard time stepping away. Been a long time since I played, and I don’t really plan to play much more for a bit, and this game’s got the unfortunate side effect of being the distraction while I’m in my writers funk for my novel I’m trying to finish up also

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually, part of my conviction in why i’ve defended FL is a fabrication.

I am only about 50% convinced FL is town. The reason i have made it out to be higher percent is because i wanted to keep this game at an manageable level by making FL not hyperpost. Because i know how intense it’ll get if they get out of control. Although now that it’s happened anyway i might as well say this.
Oh and they’d do this as both allignments so i don’t really think it’s intentional scum tactic.And i don’t support an FL lim today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Basically i weighed thread health as being the more important long-term goal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m really struggling to respond to everything that’s happened so that kinda makes me want to just respond to as little as possible now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ll focus more on live interaction.

[Klick]

I’m really struggling to respond to everything that’s happened so that kinda makes me want to just respond to as little as possible now.

That's a good summary of where I'm at

In other news, I feel like Toogeloo has been really easy for me to read as town in the other games I've been in with him somewhat recently, and I'm not getting that at all here

[Wallflower]

Hi Norwe! I agree with your nashville scumread but what do you think of the juicy juicy catboi wagon?

@Klick, regarding Toogeloo, were those games as page-count intense as this one?

[Klick]

Frankly, I have a hard time stepping away. Been a long time since I played, and I don’t really plan to play much more for a bit, and this game’s got the unfortunate side effect of being the distraction while I’m in my writers funk for my novel I’m trying to finish up also

That does make sense, I can understand it being difficult to come away from something you're invested in.
Part of this is my responsibility as well for joining a big game like this fully aware that it has the potential to spiral out to a level where I can't process it. But then, I guess I can't help myself either sometimes lol.

Not sure what to do about it all though. I still think you have pretty high potential to be scum, but I also don't have any confidence that that'll go anywhere today.
In a vacuum, how do you feel about Toog, FL?

PEdit: no they weren't. I'm not sure if that's a variable that would cause Toog to appear less towny here though. I might go back and try to look at those games more critically at some point

[Klick]

Basically, nothing Toog has posted looks remotely like an attempt to find scum to me

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi Norwe! I agree with your nashville scumread but what do you think of the juicy juicy catboi wagon?

"Meh"
I thought he was scum earlier but i'm feeling like he has done some townie things consistently since then so i've started to really doubt it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, i can’t say toogeloo has done anything major.

Their blanket votes on Catboi don’t do well for them if they’re scum, since they’ll look like scum voting Catboi.

They’re one of the slots i think could be the other scum pushing Catboi, but i also know toog never end games, and i have confidence i can read them as the game goes on.

We don’t get like any information from a toogeloo flip, though

[Wallflower]

Frankly, I have a hard time stepping away. Been a long time since I played, and I don’t really plan to play much more for a bit, and this game’s got the unfortunate side effect of being the distraction while I’m in my writers funk for my novel I’m trying to finish up also

That does make sense, I can understand it being difficult to come away from something you're invested in.
Part of this is my responsibility as well for joining a big game like this fully aware that it has the potential to spiral out to a level where I can't process it. But then, I guess I can't help myself either sometimes lol.

Not sure what to do about it all though. I still think you have pretty high potential to be scum, but I also don't have any confidence that that'll go anywhere today.
In a vacuum, how do you feel about Toog, FL?

PEdit: no they weren't. I'm not sure if that's a variable that would cause Toog to appear less towny here though. I might go back and try to look at those games more critically at some point

Toog is in my PoE so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they flip scum, but on the topic of struggling with large games that spiral out in terms of posts, I have played large games as town in the past where I just could not keep up at all and I thought I'd enquire as to whether you thought that could be impacting toog's play here. My approach here has been to comment on things more freely than I otherwise would to help me stay engaged, and also not feel guilty of just skipping posts (or pages) when it seems useless. But I think different things will work for different people.

PEdit @Klick: That's fair. I guess from my perspective the same applies to Nashville except that they seem to be pretending more (which imo is worse).

[Flavor Leaf]

Catboi, Mastina, Menalque are my 3 right now i want for the fade, in that order

[Wallflower]

We don’t get like any information from a toogeloo flip, though

I've never really seen this as a good reason to not elim someone, but for me I think for me it's that while not looking like they care about finding scum, there is a lack of pretense there, which doesn't make me read Toog as town, but makes them less scummy to me than others.

[Wallflower]

Catboi, Mastina, Menalque are my 3 right now i want for the fade, in that order

i see you want the big movez

[NorwegianboyEE]

Da big 3

[Wallflower]

The townread of me + read of catboi as strong Town is also quite dissonant. The effort put in to explain a townread of me is also weirdly selective when explaining the catboi townread would probably be the priority for mastina town? But my guess is that she sees me as the damsel in distress

Well as you pointed out: catboi's a big boi and can show himself to be town quite well on his own.

Beyond that, I already said; most of what makes catboi as strong town as he is, comes from later content in the thread I've not reached in my proper readthrough, content I saw only through skims rather than proper reads. I want to explain the catboi read when I actually get to that.

Which, again, I feel the need to reiterate I

intend

to have finished within the next couple days or so. With a week until deadline, I'm aiming to be caught up at ~4-5 days to go, so as to let me be actively involved in consolidating a wagon.

If y'all eliminated catboi, while I was catching up, with that much time left on the clock: you have zero right to pin the blame of that inevitable townflip on me; that's a combination of the town gamethrowing and the scumteams being opportunistic fucks. I'm not to blame for taking a

perfectly reasonable

course of action in taking time that there is zero reason for me to not take.

Basically--why would I need to focus on defending catboi right now? There's literally zero need to, and if y'all eliminated catboi and then tried to say *I* was suspect, you're (what's the least-bannable way of saying, 'stupid', 'dumb', 'morons', etc.? Because I don't wanna get banned for calling you that but it'd be precisely that), because you'd effectively be gaslighting yourselves by blaming me for something that was entirely not my fault.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking my time when we have a week left, to get caught up and comment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing to both let catboi defend himself and also time my content RE:catboi to be in the appropriate area of me catching up. There IS an issue with forcing a catboi elimination through with a week on the clock, just like there WOULD be an issue in, having forced through a catboi elimination through with a week on the clock, then trying to blame someone unrelated to this rather than blaming those who actually did the deed of eliminating catboi with a week on the deadline clock. (Not sure if I'm explaining this well but basically: with the luxury of time on our side, any artificial forcing of the day is bad and any saying "don't give these players time to catch up" / "these players are suspect for catching up" is also bad especially in tandem with the forcing of the day to end.)

My thought is mostly that while you're limited with time and not caught up you have been posting {stuff} but none of it has seemed like stuff that would be high priority for town catching up and wanting to get out there what's important to them with the limited time they have.

[Flavor Leaf]

We don’t get like any information from a toogeloo flip, though

I've never really seen this as a good reason to not elim someone, but for me I think for me it's that while not looking like they care about finding scum, there is a lack of pretense there, which doesn't make me read Toog as town, but makes them less scummy to me than others.

For me, it’s like, I’m just gonna end up pushing Catboi tomorrow, and then there’s gonna be distractions from any night actions going over which will take away from Catboi.

And I don’t think I make it to Day 3.

[Flavor Leaf]

We don’t get like any information from a toogeloo flip, though

I've never really seen this as a good reason to not elim someone, but for me I think for me it's that while not looking like they care about finding scum, there is a lack of pretense there, which doesn't make me read Toog as town, but makes them less scummy to me than others.

It’s specifically a Day 1 thing for me, as the game goes on, sure

[Wallflower]

We don’t get like any information from a toogeloo flip, though

I've never really seen this as a good reason to not elim someone, but for me I think for me it's that while not looking like they care about finding scum, there is a lack of pretense there, which doesn't make me read Toog as town, but makes them less scummy to me than others.

For me, it’s like, I’m just gonna end up pushing Catboi tomorrow, and then there’s gonna be distractions from any night actions going over which will take away from Catboi.

And I don’t think I make it to Day 3.

I'm totally with you on Catboi. I guess that's the frustrating thing for me because I know that it will be difficult for me to effectively push a catboi elim through and I think the gamestate may be such that people won't buy what you're selling either rn

[SCP 682]

i think titus is scum and mala is town

I mean this is always the case for them. (But for real, see below.)

how come you doubt the VT but didn't doubt when mastina claimed with zero pressure on her

Uh, Beloved Princess is like a Miller or Ascetic--it's a role you

never

leave unclaimed on D1.

Like, what are people going to say if the game gets to day-before-lylo and a player who has survived to that point claims beloved princess? As in, a role that if true would be literally game-losing to eliminate on that day-before-lylo by turning it effectively into lylo?

For the same reason you claim Miller/Ascetic on D1 to avoid a town investigative investigating you and getting a false guilty resulting in you being run up for not claiming, you claim Beloved Princess on D1 to avoid the potential of the town throwing the game. (This is especially true because I've been speedlimmed before with no chance to claim. What happens if I've not claimed on, say, D4, and then I get run up while not expecting it? Very Bad Things, I'd assume.)

Does anyone here think Titus did not in fact roll an scum role this game?

*raises hand*

Norwee, I trust you to be town but with respect, the Titus hydra is town ten times over in every way possible. Titus has hard-townslipped, Titus's posting is town even without the townslip, and Malakittens' posts are as town as town can get.

I find the odds that SoD is VT to be very low, based on the first game role setup.

there were 3 last game what exactly are you referring to

Out of what, 15 or 16 town, that's a pretty low percentage chance.

On that note, I wanna look into the players who have shown familiarity with the last game (including it being fairly low on VTs) and then in spite of having shown that familiarity, displaying suspicion of me.

I'm just going to continue watching the people in the thread for now. I'll add something when I see something worth adding.

This is a slot people think for some reason isn't scum.

Just sayin'.

Alright I got my info
VOTE: enchant
Vote out the most obvious scum -> go from there ty