Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[MonkeyMan576]

What does post count have to do with confidence?

I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.

You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.

No, but it is scummy to continuously lurk, so I take her reads as far as I can throw them.

You say that but you oppose the Nashville wagon?

Yeah, because I think you and/or Wallflower are scum and most other wagons are more than likely to flip town than not.

[catboi]

What does post count have to do with confidence?

I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.

You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.

No, but it is scummy to continuously lurk, so I take her reads as far as I can throw them.

You say that but you oppose the Nashville wagon?

Yeah, because I think you and/or Wallflower are scum and most other wagons are more than likely to flip town than not.

1. What does my alignment have to do with ND's alignment?
2. Why are you sure "most other" wagons are likely town when there's 9 scum? Do you believe there's a significant number of scum who haven't been wagoned?

[MonkeyMan576]

What does post count have to do with confidence?

I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.

You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.

No, but it is scummy to continuously lurk, so I take her reads as far as I can throw them.

You say that but you oppose the Nashville wagon?

Yeah, because I think you and/or Wallflower are scum and most other wagons are more than likely to flip town than not.

1. What does my alignment have to do with ND's alignment?
2. Why are you sure "most other" wagons are likely town when there's 9 scum? Do you believe there's a significant number of scum who haven't been wagoned?

I'm sure there are, but there are also a lot more town than scum by game setup numbers.

[catboi]

13:9 is not "a lot more" by any stretch of the imagination. Even if you could argue the malefactor counts as a bad elim, that's still hardly "a lot". Are me/wallflower your only two scumreads?

[MonkeyMan576]

13:9 is not "a lot more" by any stretch of the imagination. Even if you could argue the malefactor counts as a bad elim, that's still hardly "a lot". Are me/wallflower your only two scumreads?

You're the only two that I'm confident enough in wanting to eliminate today.

[SCP 682]

are people actually townreading enchant or can we take the obvscum elim here pls

[catboi]

13:9 is not "a lot more" by any stretch of the imagination. Even if you could argue the malefactor counts as a bad elim, that's still hardly "a lot". Are me/wallflower your only two scumreads?

You're the only two that I'm confident enough in wanting to eliminate today.

I get me being your most confident read but that feels like an incredibly narrow focus on your part.

[catboi]

are people actually townreading enchant or can we take the obvscum elim here pls

it's super not going to happen for whatever reason but I think ND is just as obvious at this point and there's actual support there

[catboi]

like you should be able to tell here mala hard lurking out is not townie right

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and just to add.
It is not only the lurking.
It’s the actual scummy posts from Titus.

[MonkeyMan576]

13:9 is not "a lot more" by any stretch of the imagination. Even if you could argue the malefactor counts as a bad elim, that's still hardly "a lot". Are me/wallflower your only two scumreads?

You're the only two that I'm confident enough in wanting to eliminate today.

I get me being your most confident read but that feels like an incredibly narrow focus on your part.

Not really, I have other reads, I just don't want to eliminate them(except Wallflower)

[MonkeyMan576]

It's much better to eliminate someone you actually think is scum than someone who might be scum just to get an elimination through.

[catboi]

Oh and just to add.
It is not only the lurking.
It’s the actual scummy posts from Titus.

Yeah that too I was just specifically referencing that to SCP

[catboi]

13:9 is not "a lot more" by any stretch of the imagination. Even if you could argue the malefactor counts as a bad elim, that's still hardly "a lot". Are me/wallflower your only two scumreads?

You're the only two that I'm confident enough in wanting to eliminate today.

I get me being your most confident read but that feels like an incredibly narrow focus on your part.

Not really, I have other reads, I just don't want to eliminate them(except Wallflower)

I wasn't asking you to change your vote, I was asking you what they were

[catboi]

Reading through butterchurn's ISO, doesn't really look like his scum game to me, there's a decent amount of stances in there and he looks like he's actually looking for scum, has foses and is asking questions that feel like they have some bite to them. Could maybe see 714 as kind of a busywork post but not much else is pingy. Don't really see the hedginess of reads at all.

[MonkeyMan576]

Menalque, Meg, Klick, I would say Mastina, butterchurn, and Nashville Dreams are third tier.

[SCP 682]

Reading through butterchurn's ISO, doesn't really look like his scum game to me, there's a decent amount of stances in there and he looks like he's actually looking for scum, has foses and is asking questions that feel like they have some bite to them. Could maybe see 714 as kind of a busywork post but not much else is pingy. Don't really see the hedginess of reads at all.

Extrapolate for multiball where scum are actually scumhunting

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nashville Dreams

I am just trying to end the day, but I can't in good conscious elim catboi here.

[SCP 682]

Regardless - nashville works but its a 6/10 confidence vs enchant being 9/10 confidence

[catboi]

Reading through butterchurn's ISO, doesn't really look like his scum game to me, there's a decent amount of stances in there and he looks like he's actually looking for scum, has foses and is asking questions that feel like they have some bite to them. Could maybe see 714 as kind of a busywork post but not much else is pingy. Don't really see the hedginess of reads at all.

Extrapolate for multiball where scum are actually scumhunting

I

know

but in general I haven't felt anything was off there? In my experience with multiball (which is a not a lot) you still get significant mileage by reading things the conventional way, whether someone is really scumhunting, whether they're making disingenuous pushes on bad reasoning and don't really care about the alignment of the person they're pushing. The slightly trickier scum can usually be caught off of associations after. I'm trying to keep an open mind as to your read but I just don't see it.

[catboi]

Regardless - nashville works but its a 6/10 confidence vs enchant being 9/10 confidence

I get what you're saying but I don't think we get the support for Enchant today.

Let me check who would vote there:

you, me, menalque, mastina, Klick (following mastina). that's off the top of my head.

Well Done has said they'd vote there. Wallflower is townreading Enchant for some reason. tictac probably won't because I'm voting there. Keeper almost certainly won't. Sword of Ducks is off in his own world but

maybe

you could get him to do it to end the day. STD

might

join? nashville dreams is ghosting so unless they show up to self-pres I doubt it. monkeyman won't. No clue on MalcolmTucker. FL definitely won't vote there. norwee, cassowary, CSF, and bnuuy hasn't mentioned Enchant. butterchurn hasn't expressed suspicion. The

optimistic

worldview is that you could get Meg and Toog to join the wagon if it becomes sufficiently large. But still you're looking at:

will vote:

catboi, scp 682, menalque, mastina, klick, well done, save the dragons (?), toog (?), meg (?)

don't know:

SoD, MT, norwee, cassowary, CSF, bnuuy, butterchurn

won't vote:

Wallflower, tictac, keeper, nashville dreams(?), monkeyman, flavor leaf,

that's 9 we can potentially get, if we get 3 of the 7 who haven't really taken a stance on enchant to commit we could maybe do it

[bnuuy]

I’d be okay voting enchant

[butterchurn]

I believe with reasonable confidence right now SCP vs butterchurn is TVT and that SCP is biased because their frame of reference is butterchurn's scumgame and the similarities they're seeeing are just playstyle markers.

You've given some decent enough reasons to be townreading me, but I'm not sure why you're confident on SCP being town. Not much of anything from either player in the slot looks like town to me.

[butterchurn]

Enchant is at the top of my list of scummiest low-content posters, actually. Out of the vague grouping of Enchant, Toogeloo, tictac, and MegAzumarill, I'd put them roughly in that order, almost entirely based on gut since I don't have much else to go on. cassowary is slightly outside of that group since although they have the fewest posts, when they have been here they've posted content... but while I'm on the subject, a few of the posts strike me as slightly suspicious, looking back. Anyway. I'm fairly confident in Nashville Dreams being scum, so I don't think there's anyone whose elimination I would support over that at this time, but I at least like Enchant better as a second wagon than catboi. I don't love eliminating someone with so little content and associatives (and someone that I have a relatively low confidence that I'm able to read correctly due to the lack of content), but if we are going to eliminate one, Enchant would be my preferred.

[bnuuy]

Mastina is town because she’s actually reading current events