Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

Enchant was town in all 3 of those.

[Flavor Leaf]

love when i am even mildly abusive in games or not even at all just somewhat abrasive i get called out on it immediately but FL does this shit and its a-ok no one cares lol.

joke.

Lol, whatre you talking about.

Everyone's been calling me out.

[Flavor Leaf]

And WallFlower to a similar effect, but WallF/Monkey has been my townblock for ages now, and the wild thing is...

People think WallFlower, Monkey, and I are all town.

But we're the 3 that have been mainly pushing Catboi. My thoughts are Catboi's partners are refusing to bus, and there's the other scum in some of the ones that move their vote, like CSF, Toogeloo, Mega, maybe even Tictac.

And that's actually a strong reasoning for ScumCatboi.

this + constantly minimizing my reasons is why I believe Catboi is scum.

Everytime I mention Mastina in some fashion, they always have something to say. This could be because of either a) it's a positioning tactic to pocket Mastina further, b)because Mastina/Catboi are scum together, C) Catboi is pocketed by Mastina.

I was thinking B for a while, and then started to go C, but Catboi has been talking to me like they know Mastina is town. Now you can say Multiball doesn't allow for that. And I see that, however, as scum, 4 in 18 others are scum, and no matter what, town reading is a safe move to do because of that exact defense.

Catboi's insistence on Mastina slot, and minimizing of what I was pushing there in addition to the vote counts is why Catboi is most likely scum.

[cassowary]

enchant does this lurkfuck no reads no solviness shit as scum all the time this is his scum meta thoroughly.
Vote enchant.
Don't believe me? Just read the damn ISO.

but does he do the same thing as town tho

the first game i played on this site had not_mafia in it, who enchant has been compared to, and i advocated to vote him over that kind of thing and it turned out he was just trolling town :/

if this is how enchant acts as scum or town, this doesn't mean he's scum just bc he acts like this as scum - annoying as it might be that does make it nai

no thats completely false

wow.

AFAICT your reasoning is:

a. enchant does this as scum
b. enchant is doing this
c. therefore enchant is scum

But that doesn't hold unless you also show enchant

doesn't

do this as town. It's like saying "dogs have four legs, my cat has four legs, therefore my cat is a dog"

If you have actual evidence this behavior is specific to enchant's scum game, I would love to see it. But based on the evidence put forth so far, it sounds like this behavior is NAI for them, so you'll have to forgive me for not being convinced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Excuse you

I worked hard on reading those thirty something pages

And I got a bunch of reads out of it

A few lock town
Some scumbutts

Press X to doubt.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can also see around the time SPC was on my side, and right before, that Catboi was actively playing up towards SPC. I think this was also a positioning/pocket attempt on SPC.

When SPC turned on Catboi, Catboi started talking down to SPC, and then turned right after to try to play up to them again.

They used the Butter read to do so, something that SPC was connecting Butter and Catboi, but Catboi defended Butter while getting SPC to turn on them as well.

This is why I believe SPC is legitimately pocketed by Catboi. They played directly to them.


This is also helps to minimize me, one of the ones pushing them the hardest, by getting SPC on their side.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that Cassowary has additional meta in addition to the 3 games I just saw Enchant as town doing nothing in means that the lurker case is not enough.

SPC, you could be correct, but the meta case isn't the reason nor what you can do to push them.

[Flavor Leaf]

And WallFlower to a similar effect, but WallF/Monkey has been my townblock for ages now, and the wild thing is...

People think WallFlower, Monkey, and I are all town.

But we're the 3 that have been mainly pushing Catboi. My thoughts are Catboi's partners are refusing to bus, and there's the other scum in some of the ones that move their vote, like CSF, Toogeloo, Mega, maybe even Tictac.

And that's actually a strong reasoning for ScumCatboi.

this + constantly minimizing my reasons is why I believe Catboi is scum.

Everytime I mention Mastina in some fashion, they always have something to say. This could be because of either a) it's a positioning tactic to pocket Mastina further, b)because Mastina/Catboi are scum together, C) Catboi is pocketed by Mastina.

I was thinking B for a while, and then started to go C, but Catboi has been talking to me like they know Mastina is town. Now you can say Multiball doesn't allow for that. And I see that, however, as scum, 4 in 18 others are scum, and no matter what, town reading is a safe move to do because of that exact defense.

Catboi's insistence on Mastina slot, and minimizing of what I was pushing there in addition to the vote counts is why Catboi is most likely scum.

You can also see around the time SPC was on my side, and right before, that Catboi was actively playing up towards SPC. I think this was also a positioning/pocket attempt on SPC.

When SPC turned on Catboi, Catboi started talking down to SPC, and then turned right after to try to play up to them again.

They used the Butter read to do so, something that SPC was connecting Butter and Catboi, but Catboi defended Butter while getting SPC to turn on them as well.

This is why I believe SPC is legitimately pocketed by Catboi. They played directly to them.


This is also helps to minimize me, one of the ones pushing them the hardest, by getting SPC on their side.

[MalcolmTucker]

hey malcom, lets lim the lurkscum ok? Why are you against enchant?

I don't even know what the Enchant case is supposed to be though compared to other lurkers?

[cassowary]

The fact that Cassowary has additional meta in addition to the 3 games I just saw Enchant as town doing nothing in means that the lurker case is not enough.

SPC, you could be correct, but the meta case isn't the reason nor what you can do to push them.

Wait, to be clear, I don't have additional meta. I just have been bitten by a case with a similar player before but not enchant. I have never played with enchant.

[bnuuy]

Okay I was thinking cass was kinda floating from bursts of activity but her post on this page changes my mind on that a bit

[Flavor Leaf]

wanted it in 1 post. ^


How are people reading Norwegian? I was town reading them a long time ago, but the Nashville push is off to me.

And Catboi has also kinda been not talking about Norwegian even though they thought that they were scum earlier, and the fact that Catboi decided to follow Norwegian there after a while is off to me.

But I don't want to push my Catboi scum read onto Norwegian since I did town read Norwegian.

But @Malcolm, you talked about keeping their distance, and it just made me think that Norwegian does fit that spot.

[Wallflower]

Okay I was thinking cass was kinda floating from bursts of activity but her post on this page changes my mind on that a bit

I think cass is town. I think her posts often get lost amongst all the noise and then people forget about how her posts are pretty townie

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that Cassowary has additional meta in addition to the 3 games I just saw Enchant as town doing nothing in means that the lurker case is not enough.

SPC, you could be correct, but the meta case isn't the reason nor what you can do to push them.

Wait, to be clear, I don't have additional meta. I just have been bitten by a case with a similar player before but not enchant. I have never played with enchant.

oh. alright.

I do have 3 games where enchant town did nothing, and got ran up to E-1 day 1 in my modded game.


Plus, SPC doesn't meta correctly, so I dont tend to want to follow their meta pushes generally.

Catboi called out different meta with Butters as well when SPC was trying to push there.

[bnuuy]

Enchant is technically doing things, just not a lot
I think the things they’re doing are a bit scummy

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay I was thinking cass was kinda floating from bursts of activity but her post on this page changes my mind on that a bit

I think cass is town. I think her posts often get lost amongst all the noise and then people forget about how her posts are pretty townie

yeah, i'm leaning there too. their hold up on Catboi/Cass helped me kick that partnering.

[Wallflower]

How are people reading Norwegian? I was town reading them a long time ago, but the Nashville push is off to me.

And Catboi has also kinda been not talking about Norwegian even though they thought that they were scum earlier, and the fact that Catboi decided to follow Norwegian there after a while is off to me.

I have a cautious townread on Norwegian.

And yeah I agree with you that Catboi's read progression is not natural (I will probably write up more of a post on this later), but pursuing catboi-scum is important before thinking about what it might mean for other alignments.

[Flavor Leaf]

Enchant is technically doing things, just not a lot
I think the things they’re doing are a bit scummy

Please don't fade Bnuuy either.

Scum do not say Enchant is technically doing things.

[Wallflower]

How are people reading Norwegian? I was town reading them a long time ago, but the Nashville push is off to me.

And Catboi has also kinda been not talking about Norwegian even though they thought that they were scum earlier, and the fact that Catboi decided to follow Norwegian there after a while is off to me.

I have a cautious townread on Norwegian.

And yeah I agree with you that Catboi's read progression is not natural (I will probably write up more of a post on this later), but pursuing catboi-scum is important before thinking about what it might mean for other alignments.

Also consider that catboi has done a similar thing with me and from their posting would not appear to be trying to read me, and I'm obviously not scum with catboi.

[SCP 682]

k I'm breaking my silence to say that FL is completely misrepresenting both my case and enchant's meta compared to this game.


enchant has subtle tonal tells and activity tells and the way he engages the game


he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.


Trying to misrep this meta is probably becoming scum indicative for FL if Enchant flips mafia and not wolf.


Starting to think FL has no morals when it comes to the game and OGId because they are scum throwing anything to win IDFK anymore. I am just tired and don't want to talk when this guy is around because any disagreement = harassment.

[Flavor Leaf]

k I'm breaking my silence to say that FL is completely misrepresenting both my case and enchant's meta compared to this game.


enchant has subtle tonal tells and activity tells and the way he engages the game


he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.


Trying to misrep this meta is probably becoming scum indicative for FL if Enchant flips mafia and not wolf.


Starting to think FL has no morals when it comes to the game and OGId because they are scum throwing anything to win IDFK anymore. I am just tired and don't want to talk when this guy is around because any disagreement = harassment.

well, i didnt read your meta case, so if i misrepped it, im sorry.

i just thought it was lurking.

[Wallflower]

k I'm breaking my silence to say that FL is completely misrepresenting both my case and enchant's meta compared to this game.


enchant has subtle tonal tells and activity tells and the way he engages the game


he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.


Trying to misrep this meta is probably becoming scum indicative for FL if Enchant flips mafia and not wolf.


Starting to think FL has no morals when it comes to the game and OGId because they are scum throwing anything to win IDFK anymore. I am just tired and don't want to talk when this guy is around because any disagreement = harassment.

To be fair, you didn't say the stuff about the tonal tells before, and have acknowledged here that Enchant lurks as both alignments. Whereas before you responded in outrage to anyone who would say that Enchant lurks as both alignments. I think if you had elaborated on your reasoning (beyond Enchant's activity) before, it would have produced a different response.

[cassowary]

Guys it's day 1 sometimes people just don't agree with your reads and that's okay it doesn't make them a bad person

[Flavor Leaf]

k I'm breaking my silence to say that FL is completely misrepresenting both my case and enchant's meta compared to this game.


enchant has subtle tonal tells and activity tells and the way he engages the game


he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.


Trying to misrep this meta is probably becoming scum indicative for FL if Enchant flips mafia and not wolf.


Starting to think FL has no morals when it comes to the game and OGId because they are scum throwing anything to win IDFK anymore. I am just tired and don't want to talk when this guy is around because any disagreement = harassment.

Also, funny how this comes about immediately after thread calmed down, and we were actually analyzing slots like Norwegian and casing Catboi scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh my god people here are posting the stupidest shit ever.
Not gonna drop any names but god reading this is exhausting.