Because in 1675 Titus seems to have a townread on catboi. In 1684 is the weird switch in perspective, both posts coming from Titus.
Then in 3063 Titus passes it off as Mala being the one who scumread catboi, and pointed to "the number of counters expressed". Except that all seems to have been from Titus herself, not from Mala. I also think that this post forgets that they already did the work in 2071
I can see myself getting shot N1 by some scum team or other because they want to plunge the town into chaos, and removing a universally townread player is a good way to do so.
SO YES, I KNOW I'M PROBABLY ABOUT TO GET SHOT TONIGHT. I'M CALLING OUT YOUR PREDICTABLE BULLSHIT BEFORE IT HAPPENS, SCUM!
Because in 1675 Titus seems to have a townread on catboi. In 1684 is the weird switch in perspective, both posts coming from Titus.
Then in 3063 Titus passes it off as Mala being the one who scumread catboi, and pointed to "the number of counters expressed". Except that all seems to have been from Titus herself, not from Mala. I also think that this post forgets that they already did the work in 2071
I don't think it could've been Mala, since I don't think she didn't read up until that point until earlier today
It’s not good enough for a Day 1 case, but it is good enough for me to believe in my light town read enough to help them out at the extent I have been.
I have provided the exact amount of defense. If it was stronger, wagon would have dissipated by now.
Frankly, if i had provided a stronger defense based on their content, it would have been me fabricating it because it just isn’t there.
I don’t believe the scum cases brought forth on them, and those reasons people push them as scum, i see as slightly townie.
In post 3247, Wallflower wrote:It’s true that FL posts too much and I’m not 100% sure they are town but I do feel like they’ve added a lot of valuable insights to the game in between all the extra fluff and so I would agree with FL that it is unreasonable to shut them out in such a way.
I want to emphasize this: the FL/Wallflower dynamic is super not pure. The way it's going, they have locktowned each other over very little and wallflower is now playing the full-time role of acting as FL's #1 fan, backing up everything he says. It's not the same as a town/town dynamic because there's usually some mistrust or disagreement there, and instead it's blind mutual reinforcement. I don't think they're ever the same faction because scumbuddies just don't act this way toward one another but they're not both town. In Control, I noticed a dynamic between mastina and norwee (one was mafia, the other was SK, they both thought they were pocketing the other) but I couldn't find the will to fight it enough to flip them, and they both endgamed. This feels very similar to that in how they're talking about one another.
I can totally see that FL’s posting is ridiculous at times but like it or not they are probably town
In post 3270, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, WallFlower's been the most helpful to me all game besides that one Enchant post that Enchant made towards me that probably is the reason I'm not wanting to go Enchant.
This in particualr is an instance of that, the way they're backing each other up but without really casing it, just going in a "just trust me" way screams manipulation. FL's going to shoot back with a claim that this is what's going on with me and mastina but it's not really the same at all given the reason I started townreading mastina was because she had a read I
In post 3293, Flavor Leaf wrote:You can also see around the time SPC was on my side, and right before, that Catboi was actively playing up towards SPC. I think this was also a positioning/pocket attempt on SPC.
When SPC turned on Catboi, Catboi started talking down to SPC, and then turned right after to try to play up to them again.
They used the Butter read to do so, something that SPC was connecting Butter and Catboi, but Catboi defended Butter while getting SPC to turn on them as well.
This is why I believe SPC is legitimately pocketed by Catboi. They played directly to them.
This is also helps to minimize me, one of the ones pushing them the hardest, by getting SPC on their side.
I don't even think SPC has said they townread me they're just not pushing me now. Distinctly different but there's also a personal history between me and them that is shaping this dynamic, it's not understandable from an outside perspective
You know what i'm not going to do this. I feel like FL upping the noise level comes at a convenient time when people are turning up the pressure on ND and the whole thing feels like a massive distraction from that to kill people's motivation
if you're reading this and you're sick of day 1 then help us get some damn consolidation
Here is his iso from our most recent game (town!me and town!dunn and scum!mala were all in there with town!enchant) - and he was the first person that we killed.
And like, we killed him for similar reasons to what I am seeing from SPC
In post 1412, Dunnstral wrote:Enchant does not do absolutely nothing when they are town. This is how they play as scum.
And I agreed, and pushed enchant by comparing him to a scum game I had seen him in. So, both heads of this hydra just walked out of a game where we both lead the miselim on him.
Enchant is unreadable lmao
You linked his ISO in this game but I really don't think his spring fling play is comparable to here
In post 3443, MegAzumarill wrote:Car broke down today.
In depth read list now on hold
I don't feel like reading the last 13 pages and I was wondering if I should bother.
SCP, Nashville, FL, are my scumreads at this point and I plan to vote within them. StD, Norwe, Mastina, Well Done, and SoD are town.
This is a good post! It also looks to me like Nashville Dreams weren't able to maintain internal consistency and forgot who they were supposed to be sussing by confusing Monkeyman with catboi.
I'll keep reading, but based on the most recent VC and scrolling through the last few pages, it doesn't look like the wagon on them developed much further, which is kind of odd, because I feel like this is more solid that anything else that's happened so far this game.
this is pockety
just off rereading the ISO, I already found CSF really weird and I didnt actually read into them yet.
I don't agree that someone agreeing with a read someone else gave is pockety, that's...surface level. CSF is a bad wagon and also not really viable.
This is the kind of thing Catboi's been doing, and I think SCP fell in the pocket after this.
If you notice this leads into Catboi butterchurn protection and turning SCP's butter scum read around, and then SCP gets cold feet on Catboi after seeing it.
They actively got played and turned around by Catboi.
And this is the type of play Catboi's been subtly doing all around.
he rewards the players when they town read them, and then talks in a "disappointed" kind of way.
This is also the type of thing they would try to say I'm doing, but I don't talk in a disappointed type of way, I push/go after, which is not helpful if I were coming from a scum perspective, correct? Just makes noise.
Catboi uses this tactic to get players to switch.
Catboi is using their tone to get people to read them as town.
I kind of think he's been acting a bit like this to me too, so I'm surprised you think we're scum together.
That's actually lowkey one of the reasons why I think catboi is scum here. But I didn't want to say it out loud because I don't want to scumread people for being pleasant, since it basically just encourages people to act shitty for the sake of getting townread
Said this earlier but this is glossing over the fact that there's personal history between me and SCP, and it's not even really true that SCP is townreading me either - they didn't even back off because of that response, they just agreed to give me space and discuss their reads with me rather than deathtunneling me.
I don't even really remember interacting with you at all all though? So I'm not sure where you got this feeling that I was being manipulative toward you or w/e. But i can barely remember half the game because it's gone on so long.
(The notion that my interactions are to pocket people is nonsense, I'm engaging with people who are suspicious of me, it's kind of what I have to do when I've had a wagon stuck on me since page 2)
In post 3485, catboi wrote:The way it's going, they have locktowned each other over very little
I would like you to back up this claim. Do you feel that the thread has given you a strong understanding of why I townread FL and why FL townreads me?
In post 3485, catboi wrote:wallflower is now playing the full-time role of acting as FL's #1 fan, backing up everything he says
This is proven not to be true, with multiple instances where I have expressed disagreement with FL rather than backed him up.
You're townreading him for "valuable insights" and he's townreading you because you agreed with him early on. Not really super hard to see this is a messed up dynamic
In post 3485, catboi wrote:The way it's going, they have locktowned each other over very little
I would like you to back up this claim. Do you feel that the thread has given you a strong understanding of why I townread FL and why FL townreads me?
In post 3485, catboi wrote:wallflower is now playing the full-time role of acting as FL's #1 fan, backing up everything he says
This is proven not to be true, with multiple instances where I have expressed disagreement with FL rather than backed him up.
You're townreading him for "valuable insights" and he's townreading you because you agreed with him early on. Not really super hard to see this is a messed up dynamic
So then you don't know why we're townreading each other
In post 3474, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I kind of think he's been acting a bit like this to me too, so I'm surprised you think we're scum together.
Yeah I don't understand what you mean by this at all? I searched your ISO and I remembered making jokes about you asking mastina to explain stuff, ad you asking me questions when I was interrogating norwee, I don't get how you see this as me trying to manipulate you or whatever
In post 3496, Wallflower wrote:so you can't say that we've "locktowned each other over very little" because you don't even know the reasons behind our reads
I realize this is an unpopular stance and I'm not gonna sell people on it today. But I want people to remember it for whenever I finally get out of this cursed game: FL/Wallflower are absolutely not both town from the way they have been interacting
