Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

here's the thing, if Catboi is scum, the emotion is still real, it doesn't make him town.

[Ydrasse]

what if we just roll the low posters like the last one lol

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.

I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.

I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.

Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.

I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.

I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.

I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.

Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.

how many times has he caught scum you?

He hard guiltied me in one of the games I lost last year, I would've been primed to go the distance if he hadn't re-evaluated on me. I took a gamble that he wouldn't investigate me and lost. Was scum with me in my last game where I basically sobbed and AtE'd my way out of pressure all game.

this is another pairing that I've been bringing up to case Catboi.

They tried to use Menalque as being able to read them since they know town and scum them, but then after I pressured on how many times has he caught scum him, he brought up Menalque town reading Catboi early for days on end, and then reevaluating scum him, meaning that Catboi knows that Menalque has the capabilities of town reading him as scum, especially early game yet he still tried to use this as a defense reasoning.

Spoiler:

damage control for what

Probably a Catboi partner

There’s definitely scum in the people that are defending/town reading Catboi. At least 1, even if Catboi ends up being town

I'm fairly certain there's much more than 3 people defending me, so it's not like they can all be my partners. I wouldn't doubt that there's some scum defending me, just by sheer amount of numbers and the fact that not every scum is going to want to push an elim, especially if they think I'm town, but this is a very vague accusation. It's a broad brush stroke that avoids getting into specifics about who might be scum to instead blanket discredit the people defending me.

Another instance of my being minimized by Catboi.

I say at least 1, then they say not like they can all be my partners. They paint it like i'm pushing a vague accusation, yet they agree that there's scum defending me.

I'm not there to avoid getting into specifics, I'm specifically making note of who defends. I actively talk about who I believe is town in those scenarios, such as when I say I believed Menalque to be pocketed, and that I believed Nashville just wasn't in the game.

So Catboi acting like I was avoiding getting into specifics when I had actively been analyzing each set of this is just untrue.

I super dislike flavor leaf maneuvering toward a possible elim of mastina for the beloved princess claim

Another minimization, and shows that even back then Catboi was minimizing my reasonings for scum reading Mastina.

VOTE: Catboi

Forgot the vote.

and here I almost had faith in you

classic, honestly

This is the kind of thing Catboi's been doing, and I think SCP fell in the pocket after this.

If you notice this leads into Catboi butterchurn protection and turning SCP's butter scum read around, and then SCP gets cold feet on Catboi after seeing it.

They actively got played and turned around by Catboi.

And this is the type of play Catboi's been subtly doing all around.

he rewards the players when they town read them, and then talks in a "disappointed" kind of way.


This is also the type of thing they would try to say I'm doing, but I don't talk in a disappointed type of way, I push/go after, which is not helpful if I were coming from a scum perspective, correct? Just makes noise.


Catboi uses this tactic to get players to switch.


Catboi is using their tone to get people to read them as town.

Regardless of whether you/Klick are scum together or not, I think that you presented an invalid reason for why you/Klick cannot be scum together, claiming my theory to be dumb as a result.

On an unrelated note, I didn’t like the implication that if Klick were your scumbuddy he wouldn’t have the autonomy to do something like vote for you without it being your command, but that’s just a separate pet peeve sort of thing.

To elaborate: it is not just "lol scum RVS distancing" (though that tell is

so old

it can probably legally buy alcohol and is almost never accurate) but that klick made a serious effort tostart a wagon on me and made a case on me to the point it would amount to an intentional throw if scum

the way you are talking about this feels more like you just

want

it to be true rather than whether you've considered if it's

likely

I don't think this is as clearing as you're making it out to be tbh

i just tend to get annoyed when people suggest really dumb theories

Another Catboi-Cat Scratch potential partnering post.

And another instance of Cat

Scratch

boi tone manipulation.

In no shape or form is the Klick/Catboi a 'dumb theory'

This is completely a discrediting tactic to wallflower here.

It might be wrong, sure, but it is not a 'really dumb theory', especially on Day 1.

[MonkeyMan576]

it’s also weird to contextualize norwee/catboi’s back and forth as teamed tbqh given that grudges were drawn into it

you don’t really fake stuff like that

passing thought

Even if catboi is town, there are too many people on the record on him to ignore him as todays elimination. But he's probably not town.

i can ignore it by simply voting elsewhere

~

known as i am to divine ate and all that i do feel that the nature of why catboi got upset makes more sense as town than to think the cat decided to fake a joker moment and lower his mafia moral scruples for this game

maybe he did but it’s enough to not make him a priority to vote today

it's not just the ate that makes him guilty, that's just one of many things the other main thing is the bnuuy wagon that went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi.

[Menalque]

nsg

I don't think nsg tends to AtE as either alignment so it's kinda moot

[SCP 682]

what if we just roll the low posters like the last one lol

exactly

[Flavor Leaf]

low post fading is lazy low level play for doing it to get low posters.

[Flavor Leaf]

low post fading is lazy low level play for doing it to get low posters.

on Day 1

[Ydrasse]

then why it work last game

[Menalque]

went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi

part of the reason it went 0-60 was FL deliberately sabotaging it to get people back onto catboi so

not sure that holds up

[Menalque]

ydra asking the right questions

[MonkeyMan576]

went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi

part of the reason it went 0-60 was FL deliberately sabotaging it to get people back onto catboi so

not sure that holds up

It does from where I am standing.

[Flavor Leaf]

it’s also weird to contextualize norwee/catboi’s back and forth as teamed tbqh given that grudges were drawn into it

you don’t really fake stuff like that

passing thought

Even if catboi is town, there are too many people on the record on him to ignore him as todays elimination. But he's probably not town.

i can ignore it by simply voting elsewhere

~

known as i am to divine ate and all that i do feel that the nature of why catboi got upset makes more sense as town than to think the cat decided to fake a joker moment and lower his mafia moral scruples for this game

maybe he did but it’s enough to not make him a priority to vote today

it's not just the ate that makes him guilty, that's just one of many things the other main thing is the bnuuy wagon that went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi.

And the AtE is another instance of tone manipulation.

At the end of the day, Ydrasse probably scum, but you're never fading her this day phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi

part of the reason it went 0-60 was FL deliberately sabotaging it to get people back onto catboi so

not sure that holds up

I am one vote. this is false.

[Flavor Leaf]

then why it work last game

probably luck

[SCP 682]

then why it work last game

probably luck

Was a perfect game.

[Ydrasse]

it’s also weird to contextualize norwee/catboi’s back and forth as teamed tbqh given that grudges were drawn into it

you don’t really fake stuff like that

passing thought

Even if catboi is town, there are too many people on the record on him to ignore him as todays elimination. But he's probably not town.

i can ignore it by simply voting elsewhere

~

known as i am to divine ate and all that i do feel that the nature of why catboi got upset makes more sense as town than to think the cat decided to fake a joker moment and lower his mafia moral scruples for this game

maybe he did but it’s enough to not make him a priority to vote today

it's not just the ate that makes him guilty, that's just one of many things the other main thing is the bnuuy wagon that went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi.

i don’t think that the case

staring at flavor’s vote on bunny as we speak

[Flavor Leaf]

it’s also weird to contextualize norwee/catboi’s back and forth as teamed tbqh given that grudges were drawn into it

you don’t really fake stuff like that

passing thought

Even if catboi is town, there are too many people on the record on him to ignore him as todays elimination. But he's probably not town.

i can ignore it by simply voting elsewhere

~

known as i am to divine ate and all that i do feel that the nature of why catboi got upset makes more sense as town than to think the cat decided to fake a joker moment and lower his mafia moral scruples for this game

maybe he did but it’s enough to not make him a priority to vote today

it's not just the ate that makes him guilty, that's just one of many things the other main thing is the bnuuy wagon that went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi.

i don’t think that the case

staring at flavor’s vote on bunny as we speak

I am 1 of 8 votes.

[Menalque]

went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi

part of the reason it went 0-60 was FL deliberately sabotaging it to get people back onto catboi so

not sure that holds up

It does from where I am standing.

because you disagree that FL voted bnuuy to sabotage the wagon?

[Flavor Leaf]

then why it work last game

probably luck

Was a perfect game.

was cabd in it

[cassowary]

went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi

part of the reason it went 0-60 was FL deliberately sabotaging it to get people back onto catboi so

not sure that holds up

I am one vote. this is false.

You're also 20% of the posts in the game...

[Menalque]

then why it work last game

probably luck

let's see if we get lucky again

[Flavor Leaf]

went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi

part of the reason it went 0-60 was FL deliberately sabotaging it to get people back onto catboi so

not sure that holds up

It does from where I am standing.

because you disagree that FL voted bnuuy to sabotage the wagon?

Misrep.

I am 1 of 8 fucking votes.

[MonkeyMan576]

To me odds are far greater on Catboi being scum than bnuuy being scum, and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Catboi gets a free pass wheras this is like the 20th time people are trying to elim bnuuy, but he's still standing.

[Flavor Leaf]

went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi

part of the reason it went 0-60 was FL deliberately sabotaging it to get people back onto catboi so

not sure that holds up

I am one vote. this is false.

You're also 20% of the posts in the game...

cool, you can read the activity posts