Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

To me odds are far greater on Catboi being scum than bnuuy being scum, and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Catboi gets a free pass wheras this is like the 20th time people are trying to elim bnuuy, but he's still standing.

[Ydrasse]

Yes but you weren’t trying to save catboi + weird to assume i think that everyone rallied the troops in that moment as if world falling down

i disagree with the characterization of that wagon tis all

[cassowary]

You're also 20% of the posts in the game...

not even sure I agree you were intentionally sabotaging the wagon but i think it's a bit disingenuous to imply 'i only have as much power as everyone else' when hyperposting to this degree

[Menalque]

FL I'm pretty sure that you admitted to voting it to sabotage it lol

also norwee was basically sheeping you at the time iirc so

actually it was like using 2 votes to sabotage

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, you can go ahead and push wherever you want. i'm going to contiune pushing Catboi, and you all can fucking ignore and discredit and push me down even more.

The exact fucking reason i get all hyper posting and manic.

Because my fucking reads dont matter at all.

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.

I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.

I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.

Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.

I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.

I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.

I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.

Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.

how many times has he caught scum you?

He hard guiltied me in one of the games I lost last year, I would've been primed to go the distance if he hadn't re-evaluated on me. I took a gamble that he wouldn't investigate me and lost. Was scum with me in my last game where I basically sobbed and AtE'd my way out of pressure all game.

this is another pairing that I've been bringing up to case Catboi.

They tried to use Menalque as being able to read them since they know town and scum them, but then after I pressured on how many times has he caught scum him, he brought up Menalque town reading Catboi early for days on end, and then reevaluating scum him, meaning that Catboi knows that Menalque has the capabilities of town reading him as scum, especially early game yet he still tried to use this as a defense reasoning.

Spoiler:

damage control for what

Probably a Catboi partner

There’s definitely scum in the people that are defending/town reading Catboi. At least 1, even if Catboi ends up being town

I'm fairly certain there's much more than 3 people defending me, so it's not like they can all be my partners. I wouldn't doubt that there's some scum defending me, just by sheer amount of numbers and the fact that not every scum is going to want to push an elim, especially if they think I'm town, but this is a very vague accusation. It's a broad brush stroke that avoids getting into specifics about who might be scum to instead blanket discredit the people defending me.

Another instance of my being minimized by Catboi.

I say at least 1, then they say not like they can all be my partners. They paint it like i'm pushing a vague accusation, yet they agree that there's scum defending me.

I'm not there to avoid getting into specifics, I'm specifically making note of who defends. I actively talk about who I believe is town in those scenarios, such as when I say I believed Menalque to be pocketed, and that I believed Nashville just wasn't in the game.

So Catboi acting like I was avoiding getting into specifics when I had actively been analyzing each set of this is just untrue.

I super dislike flavor leaf maneuvering toward a possible elim of mastina for the beloved princess claim

Another minimization, and shows that even back then Catboi was minimizing my reasonings for scum reading Mastina.

VOTE: Catboi

Forgot the vote.

and here I almost had faith in you

classic, honestly

This is the kind of thing Catboi's been doing, and I think SCP fell in the pocket after this.

If you notice this leads into Catboi butterchurn protection and turning SCP's butter scum read around, and then SCP gets cold feet on Catboi after seeing it.

They actively got played and turned around by Catboi.

And this is the type of play Catboi's been subtly doing all around.

he rewards the players when they town read them, and then talks in a "disappointed" kind of way.


This is also the type of thing they would try to say I'm doing, but I don't talk in a disappointed type of way, I push/go after, which is not helpful if I were coming from a scum perspective, correct? Just makes noise.


Catboi uses this tactic to get players to switch.


Catboi is using their tone to get people to read them as town.

Regardless of whether you/Klick are scum together or not, I think that you presented an invalid reason for why you/Klick cannot be scum together, claiming my theory to be dumb as a result.

On an unrelated note, I didn’t like the implication that if Klick were your scumbuddy he wouldn’t have the autonomy to do something like vote for you without it being your command, but that’s just a separate pet peeve sort of thing.

To elaborate: it is not just "lol scum RVS distancing" (though that tell is

so old

it can probably legally buy alcohol and is almost never accurate) but that klick made a serious effort tostart a wagon on me and made a case on me to the point it would amount to an intentional throw if scum

the way you are talking about this feels more like you just

want

it to be true rather than whether you've considered if it's

likely

I don't think this is as clearing as you're making it out to be tbh

i just tend to get annoyed when people suggest really dumb theories

Another Catboi-Cat Scratch potential partnering post.

And another instance of Cat

Scratch

boi tone manipulation.

In no shape or form is the Klick/Catboi a 'dumb theory'

This is completely a discrediting tactic to wallflower here.

It might be wrong, sure, but it is not a 'really dumb theory', especially on Day 1.

[Menalque]

I mean you have like one read and a bunch of pre-flip associative stuff to fill out the rest of your SRs

no, I'm not going to take that very seriously D1 especially when I disagree with the read that you're starting off with

[Ydrasse]

Ur read matters people just don’t have to agree with it 100% or follow it as if you have spoken pure truth

catboi is again a Later problem

[Cephrir]

votecount 1.19

bnuuy (7) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, SCP 682, Save The Dragons, Ydrasse, cassowary

Nashville Dreams (4) | butterchurn, Well Done, catboi, Cat Scratch Fever

catboi (3) | MonkeyMan576, Wallflower, Flavor Leaf

Cat Scratch Fever (1) | Nashville Dreams
MonkeyMan576 (1) | bnuuy
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
Enchant (1) | tictac
mastina (1) | Toogeloo

Not Voting | Enchant, MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I'm pretty sure that you admitted to voting it to sabotage it lol

also norwee was basically sheeping you at the time iirc so

actually it was like using 2 votes to sabotage

I did, but I would have held the line had it gone further because it's not like I don't like pressure wagons.

But the fact is, Bnuuy came in and towned it up there.

I admit, Bnuuy's not the towniest to me anymore, so I'm more in favor of Bnuuy than Nashville.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ur read matters people just don’t have to agree with it 100% or follow it as if you have spoken pure truth

catboi is again a Later problem

Disagree you just got here.

Catboi is a now problem for me, and i will continue to push so.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean you have like one read and a bunch of pre-flip associative stuff to fill out the rest of your SRs

no, I'm not going to take that very seriously D1 especially when I disagree with the read that you're starting off with

I DO NOT HAVE FUCKING ONE READ.

[butterchurn]

To me odds are far greater on Catboi being scum than bnuuy being scum, and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Catboi gets a free pass wheras this is like the 20th time people are trying to elim bnuuy, but he's still standing.

catboi is not getting a free pass, and is probably the most-discussed slot in the game so far. Some people think he's scum. Some people disagree. Some aren't sure yet. Some think that if he's town, he has a lot to offer in terms of solving, and it could be worth seeing what he does. People have different opinions. People disagree. That's how the game works.

[Ydrasse]

Good luck !

[Flavor Leaf]

I have been fucking actively reading every single player in the game.

I have developed and fucking layered reads on every single slot.

I actively made my last list with absolutely no preflip, and physically stated that.,

QUIT FUCKING MINIMIZING my fucking reads and pushes.

[Flavor Leaf]

To me odds are far greater on Catboi being scum than bnuuy being scum, and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Catboi gets a free pass wheras this is like the 20th time people are trying to elim bnuuy, but he's still standing.

catboi is not getting a free pass, and is probably the most-discussed slot in the game so far. Some people think he's scum. Some people disagree. Some aren't sure yet. Some think that if he's town, he has a lot to offer in terms of solving, and it could be worth seeing what he does. People have different opinions. People disagree. That's how the game works.

fucking 3 people think he's scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont fucking minimize my catboi push as to being my only read on the game.

[Menalque]

okay but catboi isn't happening aorn and the number of posts you've made hasn't really gotten it any closer

so can you either like

specifically canvas people you think will get on board with his lim

or calm it down a bit, because the million posts in your ISO about catboi have still done essentially 0 to sway me on him and I imagine that many others feel the same or he'd have more votes

[MonkeyMan576]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

[Flavor Leaf]

catboi (3) | MonkeyMan576, Wallflower, Flavor Leaf

all fucking town wagon.

Yet people too blind to see the catboi scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

okay but catboi isn't happening aorn and the number of posts you've made hasn't really gotten it any closer

so can you either like

specifically canvas people you think will get on board with his lim

or calm it down a bit, because the million posts in your ISO about catboi have still done essentially 0 to sway me on him and I imagine that many others feel the same or he'd have more votes

k blank boy

[Menalque]

"blank boy" ?

[Save The Dragons]

i just don't see catboi happening today

[cassowary]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

again isn't this true of everyone who is not yourself

[Flavor Leaf]

okay but catboi isn't happening aorn and the number of posts you've made hasn't really gotten it any closer

so can you either like

specifically canvas people you think will get on board with his lim

or calm it down a bit, because the million posts in your ISO about catboi have still done essentially 0 to sway me on him and I imagine that many others feel the same or he'd have more votes

bro, i had a full page and a half of active strong scum casing on him, and people fucking decided to post and react to my fucking bad Nashville 16 possible votes post instead of the multitude of active reasonings other wise.

Don't give me this shit.