Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

i just don't see catboi happening today

Me neither.

Doesn't mean im going to stop trying.

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.

I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.

I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.

Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.

I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.

I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.

I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.

Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.

how many times has he caught scum you?

He hard guiltied me in one of the games I lost last year, I would've been primed to go the distance if he hadn't re-evaluated on me. I took a gamble that he wouldn't investigate me and lost. Was scum with me in my last game where I basically sobbed and AtE'd my way out of pressure all game.

this is another pairing that I've been bringing up to case Catboi.

They tried to use Menalque as being able to read them since they know town and scum them, but then after I pressured on how many times has he caught scum him, he brought up Menalque town reading Catboi early for days on end, and then reevaluating scum him, meaning that Catboi knows that Menalque has the capabilities of town reading him as scum, especially early game yet he still tried to use this as a defense reasoning.

Spoiler:

damage control for what

Probably a Catboi partner

There’s definitely scum in the people that are defending/town reading Catboi. At least 1, even if Catboi ends up being town

I'm fairly certain there's much more than 3 people defending me, so it's not like they can all be my partners. I wouldn't doubt that there's some scum defending me, just by sheer amount of numbers and the fact that not every scum is going to want to push an elim, especially if they think I'm town, but this is a very vague accusation. It's a broad brush stroke that avoids getting into specifics about who might be scum to instead blanket discredit the people defending me.

Another instance of my being minimized by Catboi.

I say at least 1, then they say not like they can all be my partners. They paint it like i'm pushing a vague accusation, yet they agree that there's scum defending me.

I'm not there to avoid getting into specifics, I'm specifically making note of who defends. I actively talk about who I believe is town in those scenarios, such as when I say I believed Menalque to be pocketed, and that I believed Nashville just wasn't in the game.

So Catboi acting like I was avoiding getting into specifics when I had actively been analyzing each set of this is just untrue.

I super dislike flavor leaf maneuvering toward a possible elim of mastina for the beloved princess claim

Another minimization, and shows that even back then Catboi was minimizing my reasonings for scum reading Mastina.

VOTE: Catboi

Forgot the vote.

and here I almost had faith in you

classic, honestly

This is the kind of thing Catboi's been doing, and I think SCP fell in the pocket after this.

If you notice this leads into Catboi butterchurn protection and turning SCP's butter scum read around, and then SCP gets cold feet on Catboi after seeing it.

They actively got played and turned around by Catboi.

And this is the type of play Catboi's been subtly doing all around.

he rewards the players when they town read them, and then talks in a "disappointed" kind of way.


This is also the type of thing they would try to say I'm doing, but I don't talk in a disappointed type of way, I push/go after, which is not helpful if I were coming from a scum perspective, correct? Just makes noise.


Catboi uses this tactic to get players to switch.


Catboi is using their tone to get people to read them as town.

Regardless of whether you/Klick are scum together or not, I think that you presented an invalid reason for why you/Klick cannot be scum together, claiming my theory to be dumb as a result.

On an unrelated note, I didn’t like the implication that if Klick were your scumbuddy he wouldn’t have the autonomy to do something like vote for you without it being your command, but that’s just a separate pet peeve sort of thing.

To elaborate: it is not just "lol scum RVS distancing" (though that tell is

so old

it can probably legally buy alcohol and is almost never accurate) but that klick made a serious effort tostart a wagon on me and made a case on me to the point it would amount to an intentional throw if scum

the way you are talking about this feels more like you just

want

it to be true rather than whether you've considered if it's

likely

I don't think this is as clearing as you're making it out to be tbh

i just tend to get annoyed when people suggest really dumb theories

Another Catboi-Cat Scratch potential partnering post.

And another instance of Cat

Scratch

boi tone manipulation.

In no shape or form is the Klick/Catboi a 'dumb theory'

This is completely a discrediting tactic to wallflower here.

It might be wrong, sure, but it is not a 'really dumb theory', especially on Day 1.

[cassowary]

I just am tired of the catboi thing. I think it's pretty clear we aren't going to get rid of him today. Let's save sorting him for later when we have more data to work off of. It's day 1.

[Menalque]

I have been fucking actively reading every single player in the game.

I have developed and fucking layered reads on every single slot.

I actively made my last list with absolutely no preflip, and physically stated that.,

QUIT FUCKING MINIMIZING my fucking reads and pushes.

have you considered that following your reads/pushes becomes a lot harder when it involves dealing with 800+ posts in like a week and the vast majority are about calling catboi scum (as far as I can tell from whenever I'm looking at your posts) and many of the others are spinning your reads in some relation to that at least

[Flavor Leaf]

I just am tired of the catboi thing. I think it's pretty clear we aren't going to get rid of him today. Let's save sorting him for later when we have more data to work off of. It's day 1.

cool.

I'm tired of my reads/cases being minimized.

So this is the payoff.

[MonkeyMan576]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

again isn't this true of everyone who is not yourself

You don't think there's a possibility catboi is scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

I have been fucking actively reading every single player in the game.

I have developed and fucking layered reads on every single slot.

I actively made my last list with absolutely no preflip, and physically stated that.,

QUIT FUCKING MINIMIZING my fucking reads and pushes.

have you considered that following your reads/pushes becomes a lot harder when it involves dealing with 800+ posts in like a week and the vast majority are about calling catboi scum (as far as I can tell from whenever I'm looking at your posts) and many of the others are spinning your reads in some relation to that at least

Sure, blank boy. but it wasn't happening even when i give actual good reasons and calm.

So at this point, post game, it'll be even sweeter.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just am tired of the catboi thing. I think it's pretty clear we aren't going to get rid of him today. Let's save sorting him for later when we have more data to work off of. It's day 1.

Even more of a reason to push there, tbh.

Because it's happening until Catboi is dead.

[Menalque]

do you wanna like

explain what you mean by "blank boy"?

[Flavor Leaf]

do you wanna like

explain what you mean by "blank boy"?

nty, blank boy.

[Save The Dragons]

can you stop with the blank boy

can you stop posting the case, i think we've seen it

i believe in your conviction on catboi and i'm okay voting there i just don't see it happening today so i don't know the point im sorry dude

[cassowary]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

again isn't this true of everyone who is not yourself

You don't think there's a possibility catboi is scum?

Oh he totally could be! But "even if it's possible they're town, there's the possibility they're scum" applies to every single person in the game on day 1, it's not a reason to eliminate catboi today over anyone else.

I just am tired of the catboi thing. I think it's pretty clear we aren't going to get rid of him today. Let's save sorting him for later when we have more data to work off of. It's day 1.

Even more of a reason to push there, tbh.

Because it's happening until Catboi is dead.

This feels like a threat somehow

[Menalque]

I just am tired of the catboi thing. I think it's pretty clear we aren't going to get rid of him today. Let's save sorting him for later when we have more data to work off of. It's day 1.

Even more of a reason to push there, tbh.

Because it's happening until Catboi is dead.

you cannot bully the thread into limming someone by hyperposting about it continually, I'm sorry

[Flavor Leaf]

can you stop with the blank boy

can you stop posting the case, i think we've seen it

i believe in your conviction on catboi and i'm okay voting there i just don't see it happening today so i don't know the point im sorry dude

No can do'sville.

I'm in the business of Flavory, and pushing it to the top.

[Menalque]

okay cass actually very town, sorry for saying that I'd be down to kill you earlier cass

[Save The Dragons]

:/

[Flavor Leaf]

I just am tired of the catboi thing. I think it's pretty clear we aren't going to get rid of him today. Let's save sorting him for later when we have more data to work off of. It's day 1.

Even more of a reason to push there, tbh.

Because it's happening until Catboi is dead.

you cannot bully the thread into limming someone by hyperposting about it continually, I'm sorry

At this point, not even trying to lim, blank boy.

Special tactic now to get people to just end the day.

[MonkeyMan576]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

again isn't this true of everyone who is not yourself

You don't think there's a possibility catboi is scum?

Oh he totally could be! But "even if it's possible they're town, there's the possibility they're scum" applies to every single person in the game on day 1, it's not a reason to eliminate catboi today over anyone else.

There's like 50 good reasons to eliminate catboi.

[Enchant]

All protectives in game need to protect me, Ydrasse promissed to NK me. I believe.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thank you, STD. You do help the mental state with posts like that. That's why you got a cheerful fun post naturally.

[Menalque]

I would appreciate it if you would stop referring to me by what is pretty clearly contextually meant to be a derogatory term

[SCP 682]

FL I'm pretty sure that you admitted to voting it to sabotage it lol

also norwee was basically sheeping you at the time iirc so

actually it was like using 2 votes to sabotage

3 people can be wrong

[Flavor Leaf]

All protectives in game need to protect me, Ydrasse promissed to NK me. I believe.

I'm going to vig Ydrasse and push Catboi after they flip scum.

[Enchant]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

again isn't this true of everyone who is not yourself

You don't think there's a possibility catboi is scum?

Oh he totally could be! But "even if it's possible they're town, there's the possibility they're scum" applies to every single person in the game on day 1, it's not a reason to eliminate catboi today over anyone else.

There's like 50 good reasons to eliminate catboi.

I REQUEST FULL LIST OF 50 REASONS OR YOU LUAR

[Ydrasse]

All protectives in game need to protect me, Ydrasse promissed to NK me. I believe.

I’ll get you