Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Nashville Dreams]

Nero Cain replaces Wallflower.

Oh no

???

Does a game exist where NC has not scumread me?

There's a club.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Tictac

[Nero Cain]

bullshit Titus

[SCP 682]

I think its fascinating how there are clear lines showing now within my more solid scumreads atp.

bout to cross reference a tictac scum game to put it to rest that my theory is correct that this is how tictac approached scum.

[SCP 682]

hey nero please read tictac's ISO and tell us what you think there

[Flavor Leaf]

@Nero - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13356835 Not trying to overwhelm you here, I know it's a lot, but when you get the chance, can you check at pages 138-142. Catboi specifically.

[butterchurn]

Your answer is semantic rather useful. Your response to my allegation is to claim 1) my question isn't valid because you scumread me. I think we can all see the problem with that. 2) it nitpicks the substance rather than gets at the substance.

A counterwagon is a wagon that exists at the same time as another.

Catboi and Monkey were counters early. You were on Monkey.
Catboi and I were counters. You were on me.
Arguably you weren't on Wallflower, but you were on Monkey at the time.
Bnuuy started at 3631, while catboi was still there. The wagon on me was dying and you jumped.

Even if you disagree with the semantics of "counterwagon", you still are fine or have been fine with every single major wagon this game but for catboi and tictac.

What gives?

I actually didn't fully absorb who I was replying to, hence the "Nashville" instead of "you". My first sentence was part of the explanation for why I was on that wagon, not why your question was invalid. I already answered the substance of your question. The wagons that I've joined are on people who I scumread. The wagons that I haven't joined are on people who I don't scumread. I haven't particularly followed who is a counter wagon to whom due to the infrequent votecounts. I'm also much less inclined to join a wagon led by someone I scumread. Part of the reason I joined the original bnuuy wagon (if I'm remembering correctly) is that it was led by people I townread. Despite Flavor Leaf's insistence that the whole game has revolved around catboi, I don't think that's terribly accurate.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: tictac

[SCP 682]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=25917

wild. it was pretty similar and he even quit the game.

AND THE QUESTION THING IS ACTUALLY THERE -> IT IS A GIMMICK SCUM TICTAC HAS OMG

it was ANSWERED there but tictac DOES pay attention to questions as scum -> so @butter seeing this tell me what u think

tictac: Were you hinting at something more in 93, or just kidding around?

twas kinda "don't do the annoying thing" post at Aaron.
I guess there's a mild associative there tho, since wake also answered my guestion directed at Aaron.

[butterchurn]

If Save the Dragons is joining the wagon, I'm more interested.

[Save The Dragons]

i'm just sheeping the monestary at this point lmao

[SCP 682]

its a very limited sample from tictac's last scum game but like the parallels can be drawn here.

[bnuuy]

butterchurn can die too, so can bunny

zzz
Can’t say I didn’t expect this.

[Nero Cain]

I'll read tictac in a min but he's not on the team with butterchurn on it.

[butterchurn]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=25917

wild. it was pretty similar and he even quit the game.

AND THE QUESTION THING IS ACTUALLY THERE -> IT IS A GIMMICK SCUM TICTAC HAS OMG

it was ANSWERED there but tictac DOES pay attention to questions as scum -> so @butter seeing this tell me what u think

tictac: Were you hinting at something more in 93, or just kidding around?

twas kinda "don't do the annoying thing" post at Aaron.
I guess there's a mild associative there tho, since wake also answered my guestion directed at Aaron.

Yeah, okay, that is pretty similar. Good catch.

VOTE: tictac

[Flavor Leaf]

I think butter's is just town probs defending wagons.

He defended both Catboi and myself too.

[Sword of Ducks]

i’m malefactor and you can’t do anything about it

VOTE: Ydrasse

[The Keeper]

I have provided substantiated proof with quote comparison and you have provided a weak "well um i have played with tictac and i think town tictac!"

You provided a single run.

I can say I've done a Lamb/Mega Santa/Delirium run in one and it doesn't make me good at the game.

You used an outlier game, and the mini games play entirely differently to large.

Oddly off point for you actually.

Notice Keeper is discrediting me here- but not actually providing a real counter argument.

Discrediting a flawed argument is a perfectly valid response. You're expecting a macro response to a case you've fine tuned with different parameters.

Code: Select all

Total random samples of 4 items taken: 1,000,000
Total with NO scum: 113,224 (11.322400%)
Total with Mafia: 561,842 (56.184200%)
Total with Wolf: 562,500 (56.250000%)
Total with Malefactor: 173,686, (17.368600%)
Total with any scum: 886,776, (88.677600%)
Total with hostile scum: 846,198, (84.619800%)
===============================
Total random samples of 4 items taken: 100
Total with NO scum: 12 (12.000000%)
Total with Mafia: 51 (51.000000%)
Total with Wolf: 53 (53.000000%)
Total with Malefactor: 18, (18.000000%)
Total with any scum: 88, (88.000000%)
Total with hostile scum: 85, (85.000000%)
===============================
Total random samples of 4 items taken: 10
Total with NO scum: 2 (20.000000%)
Total with Mafia: 7 (70.000000%)
Total with Wolf: 3 (30.000000%)
Total with Malefactor: 2, (20.000000%)
Total with any scum: 8, (80.000000%)
Total with hostile scum: 8, (80.000000%)

You gave me 10 and are acting like its 100, I gave 100 and you didn't like it.
You want to go through other games? You do that. this is tictown for now.

[Nero Cain]

like Titus perpetuating the lie that I always scum read her is just dumb. Like maybe its something she actually believes but it's so far from the truth.

[SCP 682]

ok look

from the first run of this setup concept

if you think someone is malefactor - the play is to ignore them - not eliminate. (until we are ahead then its ok to do so but even so)

lukewarm i believe pretty much botched their miller fakeclaim in that game and we just ignored that slot (or whoever was the malefactor.

also like jokes exist

[The Keeper]

Keeper has a clear agenda to defend tictac while not really being able to truly substantiate their tictac read.

my money's on tictac flipping a good PR

I have a "clear agenda" to use shielded tears on people I think are town.
ngl this is already way more effort than I wanted to put in -.-;

[Ydrasse]

i’m malefactor and you can’t do anything about it

VOTE: Ydrasse

neener neener

[butterchurn]

I think butter's is just town probs defending wagons.

He defended both Catboi and myself too.

I think I've been fairly consistent in being willing to join wagons with my townreads/on people I scumread, and less interested in wagons led by people I scumread/on people I don't scumread. I think Nashville Dreams' analysis of it is in bad faith, and is setting out to prove a narrative that she came up with. Still would love to vote there, but it seems that's not happening toDay anymore.

[The Keeper]

p disappointed that I didn't get to call out scum norway unless u guys think that the Malefactor claim is bs and Yd is trying to buy time

???
First, why are you disappointed about that specifically
Second, why do you think Ydrasse is aiming to “buy time” with a Malefactor claim? Buy time for what? For whom?

I like having correct reads and a d1 norway flip would have been glorious.

and ummm we aren't voting out the claimed Malefactor for ??? reason so like claiming seems to have stalled their wagon wich sorta proves my point

Malefactors a miselimination. It's in their favour to be eliminated.

[SCP 682]

I have provided substantiated proof with quote comparison and you have provided a weak "well um i have played with tictac and i think town tictac!"

You provided a single run.

I can say I've done a Lamb/Mega Santa/Delirium run in one and it doesn't make me good at the game.

You used an outlier game, and the mini games play entirely differently to large.

Oddly off point for you actually.

Notice Keeper is discrediting me here- but not actually providing a real counter argument.

Discrediting a flawed argument is a perfectly valid response. You're expecting a macro response to a case you've fine tuned with different parameters.

Code: Select all

Total random samples of 4 items taken: 1,000,000
Total with NO scum: 113,224 (11.322400%)
Total with Mafia: 561,842 (56.184200%)
Total with Wolf: 562,500 (56.250000%)
Total with Malefactor: 173,686, (17.368600%)
Total with any scum: 886,776, (88.677600%)
Total with hostile scum: 846,198, (84.619800%)
===============================
Total random samples of 4 items taken: 100
Total with NO scum: 12 (12.000000%)
Total with Mafia: 51 (51.000000%)
Total with Wolf: 53 (53.000000%)
Total with Malefactor: 18, (18.000000%)
Total with any scum: 88, (88.000000%)
Total with hostile scum: 85, (85.000000%)
===============================
Total random samples of 4 items taken: 10
Total with NO scum: 2 (20.000000%)
Total with Mafia: 7 (70.000000%)
Total with Wolf: 3 (30.000000%)
Total with Malefactor: 2, (20.000000%)
Total with any scum: 8, (80.000000%)
Total with hostile scum: 8, (80.000000%)

You gave me 10 and are acting like its 100, I gave 100 and you didn't like it.
You want to go through other games? You do that. this is tictown for now.

looks like democracy is disagreeing with your take keeper.

keep using the discredit tactic btw its cracking me up

I provided concise things! descriptions of play! quotes from past game! quotes from this game!

what have you provided?

"i play with tictac and i disagree bc meta"
and
"tictac posting style consistent in town games"

see the issue I am having with you here?