Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

ok look

from the first run of this setup concept

if you think someone is malefactor - the play is to ignore them - not eliminate. (until we are ahead then its ok to do so but even so)

lukewarm i believe pretty much botched their miller fakeclaim in that game and we just ignored that slot (or whoever was the malefactor.

also like jokes exist

i agree that it was joke, even if she was scum.

I do believe Ydrasse would make that joke as scum, though.

Not that i think it's a good reason to vote her, I just think you gotta just let them wear it out.

Or pressure Ydrasse, either way's good.

[SCP 682]

yeah its more effort than you wanted to bc thats ur scumbud and you dont know what to do bc they got a good PR role

last part is a stretch but its what I would not be at all surprised to see them flip.

[The Keeper]

tictac is literally not even trying to solve the game and when he is town he actually shows that energy i am not moving from this slot


keeper's "meta" read on him is completely bunk and a lie because keeper can't even cite specific attributes of tictac's play to show that they are actually thinking about the meta and how it applies to tictac's alignment. fae is just trying to dismantle the wagon on tictac by any means necessary rather than address the logic.

when explained to that the reason was never the "lurking" status -> keeper immediately shut up and had nothing to provide.

Actually i can, I just can't be arsed.
Control Tac had the same one liner approach, only responded when questioned.
XIVTac I don't even remember them they were that quiet.

They don't sit and actively solve. They're a passive player, just like I'm meant to be.

[SCP 682]

POWER OF THE SPEED

[SCP 682]

tictac is literally not even trying to solve the game and when he is town he actually shows that energy i am not moving from this slot


keeper's "meta" read on him is completely bunk and a lie because keeper can't even cite specific attributes of tictac's play to show that they are actually thinking about the meta and how it applies to tictac's alignment. fae is just trying to dismantle the wagon on tictac by any means necessary rather than address the logic.

when explained to that the reason was never the "lurking" status -> keeper immediately shut up and had nothing to provide.

Actually i can, I just can't be arsed.
Control Tac had the same one liner approach, only responded when questioned.
XIVTac I don't even remember them they were that quiet.

They don't sit and actively solve. They're a passive player, just like I'm meant to be.

oh really?
please provide examples. like i've constantly asked you to (:

[Flavor Leaf]

I think butter's is just town probs defending wagons.

He defended both Catboi and myself too.

I think I've been fairly consistent in being willing to join wagons with my townreads/on people I scumread, and less interested in wagons led by people I scumread/on people I don't scumread. I think Nashville Dreams' analysis of it is in bad faith, and is setting out to prove a narrative that she came up with. Still would love to vote there, but it seems that's not happening toDay anymore.

How is their analysis in bad faith?

Frankly, I see the analysis, and understand why it's seen as scummy. I do believe there is high merit in scum reading you, i am more tone/gut objective looking at you, where Titus is specifically coming from an analytical Vote Count Analysis side, something she's been doing for a while.

She has also stated that Catboi suspicion, and it led to tictac, which led to you, so I see that trajectory as incredibly valid and more likely to come from town than scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Tictac - Are you scum? Would you be willing to put your vote back on Catboi?

[Cephrir]

votecount 1.21

tictac (6) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Nashville Dreams, Flavor Leaf, Save The Dragons, butterchurn

bnuuy (5) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, cassowary, catboi

Nashville Dreams (2) | Well Done, Cat Scratch Fever
catboi (2) | MonkeyMan576, Nero Cain

MonkeyMan576 (1) | bnuuy
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Ydrasee (1) | Sword of Ducks
Enchant (1) | tictac
mastina (1) | Toogeloo

Not Voting | Enchant, MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

[Flavor Leaf]

speaking of, Megazu, Cat Scratch, and Toogeloo also all join that hippity hoppity on Catboi, regardless of Catboi alignment, there's scum in there.

Norwegian was there as well, even if they didnt hippity hop.

So Megazu, Cat Scratch, Toogeloo, Tictac, Ydrasse is the Hippity Hop Club, and that's a scummy place but they know how to party.

[The Keeper]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=25917

wild. it was pretty similar and he even quit the game.

AND THE QUESTION THING IS ACTUALLY THERE -> IT IS A GIMMICK SCUM TICTAC HAS OMG

it was ANSWERED there but tictac DOES pay attention to questions as scum -> so @butter seeing this tell me what u think

tictac: Were you hinting at something more in 93, or just kidding around?

twas kinda "don't do the annoying thing" post at Aaron.
I guess there's a mild associative there tho, since wake also answered my guestion directed at Aaron.

Ah yes, a game they replaced out of D1 and with a total of 7 posts. Youre right, you win. oh whatever shall I dooo.....

faints dramatically on chaise lounge after standing on a D4.

[Sword of Ducks]

I don't think that Ydrasse was kidding.

[SCP 682]

keeper thinks they can cite things that i have not seen myself yet as evidence since they think i cant refute it when like the game is literally right there and im going to go straight into it and as I am sure i am right - I will find they are incorrect.

also the points of "one liners" - I never said "one liners" were scummy.

and "being quiet"

like damn .... sounds like a lot of not actually disproving the actual case against tictac and trying to brute force the case being waved away ...

[The Keeper]

its a very limited sample from tictac's last scum game but like the parallels can be drawn here.

Limited ain't the word. That's pressing R on runs until you get a Curse and Treasure room on your first room...

[Flavor Leaf]

bnuuy (5) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, cassowary, catboi

lol, this wagon's so scummy, probably scummiest one this game.

[SCP 682]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=25917

wild. it was pretty similar and he even quit the game.

AND THE QUESTION THING IS ACTUALLY THERE -> IT IS A GIMMICK SCUM TICTAC HAS OMG

it was ANSWERED there but tictac DOES pay attention to questions as scum -> so @butter seeing this tell me what u think

tictac: Were you hinting at something more in 93, or just kidding around?

twas kinda "don't do the annoying thing" post at Aaron.
I guess there's a mild associative there tho, since wake also answered my guestion directed at Aaron.

Ah yes, a game they replaced out of D1 and with a total of 7 posts. Youre right, you win. oh whatever shall I dooo.....

faints dramatically on chaise lounge after standing on a D4.

its the most recent scum example
and it still counts!

[butterchurn]

I think butter's is just town probs defending wagons.

He defended both Catboi and myself too.

I think I've been fairly consistent in being willing to join wagons with my townreads/on people I scumread, and less interested in wagons led by people I scumread/on people I don't scumread. I think Nashville Dreams' analysis of it is in bad faith, and is setting out to prove a narrative that she came up with. Still would love to vote there, but it seems that's not happening toDay anymore.

How is their analysis in bad faith?

Frankly, I see the analysis, and understand why it's seen as scummy. I do believe there is high merit in scum reading you, i am more tone/gut objective looking at you, where Titus is specifically coming from an analytical Vote Count Analysis side, something she's been doing for a while.

She has also stated that Catboi suspicion, and it led to tictac, which led to you, so I see that trajectory as incredibly valid and more likely to come from town than scum.

I see it as in bad faith because she's twisting things to apply to the narrative that she came up with. Under no circumstances can the tictac wagon be referred to as a counter to catboi, yet she claimed it was, because that suits what she's trying to prove. It's funny how much you insist that she can't be scum because she hasn't tried to pocket you, when she completely inverted her reads to align with yours and then when called out on it just handwaved it away.

[SCP 682]

keeper trying to discredit me rather than prove me wrong is just so funny lol

[Flavor Leaf]

tictac (5) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Flavor Leaf, Save The Dragons, butterchurn

this slot is M.U. Monkery United with Butter, who i am lean town, and Ydrasse who's just other scum/malefactor.

[Ydrasse]

I don't think that Ydrasse was kidding.

i wasnt

[Sword of Ducks]

bnuuy (5) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, cassowary, catboi

lol, this wagon's so scummy, probably scummiest one this game.

gotta agree here...someone there wants us dead and I don't know who it is

[The Keeper]

I have provided substantiated proof with quote comparison and you have provided a weak "well um i have played with tictac and i think town tictac!"

You provided a single run.

I can say I've done a Lamb/Mega Santa/Delirium run in one and it doesn't make me good at the game.

You used an outlier game, and the mini games play entirely differently to large.

Oddly off point for you actually.

Notice Keeper is discrediting me here- but not actually providing a real counter argument.

Discrediting a flawed argument is a perfectly valid response. You're expecting a macro response to a case you've fine tuned with different parameters.

Code: Select all

Total random samples of 4 items taken: 1,000,000
Total with NO scum: 113,224 (11.322400%)
Total with Mafia: 561,842 (56.184200%)
Total with Wolf: 562,500 (56.250000%)
Total with Malefactor: 173,686, (17.368600%)
Total with any scum: 886,776, (88.677600%)
Total with hostile scum: 846,198, (84.619800%)
===============================
Total random samples of 4 items taken: 100
Total with NO scum: 12 (12.000000%)
Total with Mafia: 51 (51.000000%)
Total with Wolf: 53 (53.000000%)
Total with Malefactor: 18, (18.000000%)
Total with any scum: 88, (88.000000%)
Total with hostile scum: 85, (85.000000%)
===============================
Total random samples of 4 items taken: 10
Total with NO scum: 2 (20.000000%)
Total with Mafia: 7 (70.000000%)
Total with Wolf: 3 (30.000000%)
Total with Malefactor: 2, (20.000000%)
Total with any scum: 8, (80.000000%)
Total with hostile scum: 8, (80.000000%)

You gave me 10 and are acting like its 100, I gave 100 and you didn't like it.
You want to go through other games? You do that. this is tictown for now.

looks like democracy is disagreeing with your take keeper.

keep using the discredit tactic btw its cracking me up

I provided concise things! descriptions of play! quotes from past game! quotes from this game!

what have you provided?

"i play with tictac and i disagree bc meta"
and
"tictac posting style consistent in town games"

see the issue I am having with you here?

See that code block? That bottom block with 10 samples is concise data. That means in any group of 4 people there's 70% chance of mafia, and 30% chance of wolf.
you gave 10, I gave 100. I don't have the effort to 1,000,000.

Deomcracy will do what it does. People will have their reasons and people can choose to believe you. Personally I think that Pentagram and Ceremonial Robes you have tell a different story.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think butter's is just town probs defending wagons.

He defended both Catboi and myself too.

I think I've been fairly consistent in being willing to join wagons with my townreads/on people I scumread, and less interested in wagons led by people I scumread/on people I don't scumread. I think Nashville Dreams' analysis of it is in bad faith, and is setting out to prove a narrative that she came up with. Still would love to vote there, but it seems that's not happening toDay anymore.

How is their analysis in bad faith?

Frankly, I see the analysis, and understand why it's seen as scummy. I do believe there is high merit in scum reading you, i am more tone/gut objective looking at you, where Titus is specifically coming from an analytical Vote Count Analysis side, something she's been doing for a while.

She has also stated that Catboi suspicion, and it led to tictac, which led to you, so I see that trajectory as incredibly valid and more likely to come from town than scum.

I see it as in bad faith because she's twisting things to apply to the narrative that she came up with. Under no circumstances can the tictac wagon be referred to as a counter to catboi, yet she claimed it was, because that suits what she's trying to prove. It's funny how much you insist that she can't be scum because she hasn't tried to pocket you, when she completely inverted her reads to align with yours and then when called out on it just handwaved it away.

She did that after I town read her, and her VCA aligned exactly with mine, if it hadn't I would have thought it was weird.

Malakittens also scum read Catboi prior to Titus.


I was under the impression she's pushing tictac as a Catboi partner, not a counter wagon.

[SCP 682]

i don't tr mastina ftr

rce feels more connected/less abstracted than what i remember from scum him, but i may be tring time/exp there.
still would not be my first choice.

(I don’t actually agree with Elsa FYI but that seems a little bit braver than I’d expect from scum)

i was misreading this as u saying u tr elsa for bravery, whinch would have been backwards.

VOTE: Momrangal
i guess

But if she's scum she's actually the role she's claiming.

i mean shes basically claiming the powerset that scum are mod confirmed to have

unless the scumteam(s) were of a weird middleground size like 4-per, it should be immediately evident whether a game is multiball or not based on the number of scumbuddies you have when you're scum. I think Elsa was genuinely wondering if the game is multiball so if Elsa is scum her team likely has to have 4 people on it total

tbh I think multiball-spec is just what Elsa does in all his games as a matter of course, just because it makes people think this.

ftr multiple sum factions being in a raid and disagreeing on success/fail would lead to undefined behaviour.
so glaring design flaw in the ruleset or this is in fact single ball.

I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun.

sorry to bring yer rl into things, but there's an implication here about u not having access to a maf pt 4 pre-game planning that should not be ignored. otherwise game having started probs not a surprise.

i literally look at ff14 and i see these posts and I laugh at Keeper's assertion that this is tictac's town meta when tictac here shows proof of wanting to solve the game despite low amount of posts. the reads are substantiated with reasoning - while compare how tictac treats his "reads" here.


its night and day.

[SCP 682]

mafia isn't statistics, dear keeper. I don't care about your stats.

[SCP 682]

I don't think that Ydrasse was kidding.

i wasnt

ok for the sake of the game can u please stop meming about claiming scum