Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Sword of Ducks]

I don't think that Ydrasse was kidding.

i wasnt

Sounds about right. You wanna confess and have an easy fast trial, or do you like a slow, suffering death, just like how you want us to suffer?

[Ydrasse]

>:(

[butterchurn]

I was under the impression she's pushing tictac as a Catboi partner, not a counter wagon.

Why is it that you've been on every single counter to catboi but for tictac?

[Ydrasse]

I don't think that Ydrasse was kidding.

i wasnt

Sounds about right. You wanna confess and have an easy fast trial, or do you like a slow, suffering death, just like how you want us to suffer?

i will cut down this town death by 1000 cuts

[SCP 682]

like i get it doesnt mean much for u but like people like SoD are too unexperienced to understand not to read into it and wont listen to people telling them not to

[The Keeper]

yeah its more effort than you wanted to bc thats ur scumbud and you dont know what to do bc they got a good PR role

last part is a stretch but its what I would not be at all surprised to see them flip.

I don't even effort to save myself why would I save a buddy?

[Nero Cain]

I don't really get why tic tac is scum instead of a mildly useless town.

I don't mind being scumread.

I mean maybe you could argue that this is scum b/c town are going to be more poed that they are being scumread.

[SCP 682]

yeah its more effort than you wanted to bc thats ur scumbud and you dont know what to do bc they got a good PR role

last part is a stretch but its what I would not be at all surprised to see them flip.

I don't even effort to save myself why would I save a buddy?

source: trust me buddy

[Ydrasse]

UGHHHH

sod. sit with me my child. listen to my words:

i have a hard time taking this game seriously and derive a lot of joy from being goofy even to my own detriment readwise

and that means i will lean more and more into fakeclaiming scum if it makes me smile

but you have my word i am not a malefactor. i make no promises otherwise

[Flavor Leaf]

I was under the impression she's pushing tictac as a Catboi partner, not a counter wagon.

Why is it that you've been on every single counter to catboi but for tictac?

I think overanalyzing it. While I wouldn't necessarily call it a direct counterwagon, it is pulling away from Catboi pressure. there's 2 votes on Catboi. This is the smallest it's been.

I think there's 100% merit in believing Tictac is a possible scum partner of Catboi, and she looks to be genuinely investigating you, and I think it's a good push on you, tbh.

I had the exact same suspicions on you earlier but less analytical.

And if you're so against Nashville here, why did you join Tictac?

[Nero Cain]

bnuuy (5) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, cassowary, catboi

lol, this wagon's so scummy, probably scummiest one this game.

gotta agree here...someone there wants us dead and I don't know who it is

the not you and bunny scum team, duh

[SCP 682]

SoD is blatantly town rofl

[butterchurn]

I don't really get why tic tac is scum instead of a mildly useless town.

I think they could easily be either, which is part of why I'm less in favor of a lurker elimination Day 1 -- there's very little to go on so it's hard to be confident in a read. However, the meta that SCP pulled up shows that this game does more closely align to their scum game than to their town game, even though there's similarities.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a spicy idea where we could wagon everyone, wanna guess where it is /sarcasm

[Flavor Leaf]

SoD is blatantly town rofl

[The Keeper]

tictac is literally not even trying to solve the game and when he is town he actually shows that energy i am not moving from this slot


keeper's "meta" read on him is completely bunk and a lie because keeper can't even cite specific attributes of tictac's play to show that they are actually thinking about the meta and how it applies to tictac's alignment. fae is just trying to dismantle the wagon on tictac by any means necessary rather than address the logic.

when explained to that the reason was never the "lurking" status -> keeper immediately shut up and had nothing to provide.

Actually i can, I just can't be arsed.
Control Tac had the same one liner approach, only responded when questioned.
XIVTac I don't even remember them they were that quiet.

They don't sit and actively solve. They're a passive player, just like I'm meant to be.

oh really?
please provide examples. like i've constantly asked you to (:

Why bother? You're so blinded to whatever I post and given your record of arrogance, I don't want to bother. I can link the first 10 posts from this game, to CONTROL, to XIV, and they're same energy.
Because I'm comparing Large Theme to Large Theme.
you know, the games that have 23 players, multiple large personalities and 16 pages crop up after a nap... it changes how you play.

Basement XL you go WAY more careful because that one lil green fly can wreck your Devil Deal chances, it takes a shop and 2 secret rooms from you as well as a curse room. You play entirely differently.

[Well Done]

wanna know whats really annoying

those who are pushing "us" as a lurker there is other players who have little posts as well and aren't having fire placed under their ass

You keep minimizing the case against you as just being about being a lurker. I don't think that's remotely close to the bulk of the case for most people voting.

I mean a lot of it has to do with people disliking titus posts
which i cant really do anything about b/c they werent written by me

as for people scumreading my slot -- a lot of people have mentioned it as omg "mala is lurking" "mala is disinterested = scum-mala"

You're right, it wasn't written by you.

Thing is, What Titus says contradicts you. They say that you were the one pushing this and they were following your read. I pointed this out in post 3475.

Here it is again:

This also doesn't make sense to me

Because in 1675 Titus seems to have a townread on catboi. In 1684 is the weird switch in perspective, both posts coming from Titus.

Then in 3063 Titus passes it off as Mala being the one who scumread catboi, and pointed to "the number of counters expressed". Except that all seems to have been from Titus herself, not from Mala. I also think that this post forgets that they already did the work in 2071

I'm starting to feel ill so I must question my reads from this morning.

Can someone briefly give me points where they feel I'm wrong besides catboi is too town to be town?

~Titus

I'm starting to feel ill so I must question my reads from this morning.

Can someone briefly give me points where they feel I'm wrong besides catboi is too town to be town?

~Titus

You showed up late. You need to look at that bnuuy wagon.

I will but I feel that it's another counter to catboi. That makes me think town before reading.

However, I am open to being wrong. It's also getting to the point where there are so many counters that catboi may need to be eliminated as catboi couldn't live until elo.

~Titus

If I am active, I can and do come up with solutions regardless of alignment. I do what I can.

Ftr, Mala was in favor of catboi town. The number of counters expressed is telling. Later today, I intend to compare if it's the same players given my wagon took off after debating going with Mala's read due to game circumstances.

~Titus

*catboi scum. Typo.

This also doesn't make sense to me

The only difference I see is who is doing the voting. If it was people familiar with me, I would lean towards scum saving catboi. Yet Butter and Wallflower are not familiar with me.

If I am active, I can and do come up with solutions regardless of alignment. I do what I can.

Ftr, Mala was in favor of catboi town. The number of counters expressed is telling. Later today, I intend to compare if it's the same players given my wagon took off after debating going with Mala's read due to game circumstances.

~Titus

Doesn't 2071 imply that Titus already did what they are saying they intend to do later today - compare the players

<snip>

This is a good post! It also looks to me like Nashville Dreams weren't able to maintain internal consistency and forgot who they were supposed to be sussing by confusing Monkeyman with catboi.

I'll keep reading, but based on the most recent VC and scrolling through the last few pages, it doesn't look like the wagon on them developed much further, which is kind of odd, because I feel like this is more solid that anything else that's happened so far this game.

Also:

Interesting how I postulate that voting Catboi might be required for the game state causes us to be a counter to catboi. This definitely means I need to reset my catboi read when I catch up.

The only difference I see is who is doing the voting. If it was people familiar with me, I would lean towards scum saving catboi. Yet Butter and Wallflower are not familiar with me.

Would like for Nashville Dreams to acknowledge posts 1705, 2109, 2113/2116 at some point

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, sorry, I think keeper's meta case is better than SCP's. points away from butterbeer.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm starting to feel like Nero's just right and tictac is town.

[SCP 682]

tictac is literally not even trying to solve the game and when he is town he actually shows that energy i am not moving from this slot


keeper's "meta" read on him is completely bunk and a lie because keeper can't even cite specific attributes of tictac's play to show that they are actually thinking about the meta and how it applies to tictac's alignment. fae is just trying to dismantle the wagon on tictac by any means necessary rather than address the logic.

when explained to that the reason was never the "lurking" status -> keeper immediately shut up and had nothing to provide.

Actually i can, I just can't be arsed.
Control Tac had the same one liner approach, only responded when questioned.
XIVTac I don't even remember them they were that quiet.

They don't sit and actively solve. They're a passive player, just like I'm meant to be.

oh really?
please provide examples. like i've constantly asked you to (:

Why bother? You're so blinded to whatever I post and given your record of arrogance, I don't want to bother. I can link the first 10 posts from this game, to CONTROL, to XIV, and they're same energy.
Because I'm comparing Large Theme to Large Theme.
you know, the games that have 23 players, multiple large personalities and 16 pages crop up after a nap... it changes how you play.

Basement XL you go WAY more careful because that one lil green fly can wreck your Devil Deal chances, it takes a shop and 2 secret rooms from you as well as a curse room. You play entirely differently.

again.
squid game.

tyvm

and at best you are arguing this it is simply viable for tictac to be town.

let the pressure be there and see how he reacts and step aside in that case.

so tyvm

[butterchurn]

I was under the impression she's pushing tictac as a Catboi partner, not a counter wagon.

Why is it that you've been on every single counter to catboi but for tictac?

I think overanalyzing it. While I wouldn't necessarily call it a direct counterwagon, it is pulling away from Catboi pressure. there's 2 votes on Catboi. This is the smallest it's been.

I think there's 100% merit in believing Tictac is a possible scum partner of Catboi, and she looks to be genuinely investigating you, and I think it's a good push on you, tbh.

I had the exact same suspicions on you earlier but less analytical.

And if you're so against Nashville here, why did you join Tictac?

Okay, fair enough I guess, I disagree, but my interpretation may be colored by my suspicion just like how your interpretation is likely colored by your townread. And as I said earlier, the fact that Nashville wanted tictac was a major part of why I didn't want to join that wagon. SCP changed my mind to lean scum instead of lean town on tictac, though, and with you, Save the Dragons, and Ydrasse on it, all of whom I townread, I felt a bit better about it than I did originally.

[The Keeper]

keeper thinks they can cite things that i have not seen myself yet as evidence since they think i cant refute it when like the game is literally right there and im going to go straight into it and as I am sure i am right - I will find they are incorrect.

also the points of "one liners" - I never said "one liners" were scummy.

and "being quiet"

like damn .... sounds like a lot of not actually disproving the actual case against tictac and trying to brute force the case being waved away ...

Then go look, like you're asking us all to.
You wanna use meta evidence, go for it.
Wanna use bad meta evidence and compare Repentance to Rebirth? Sure go for it. Jokes on you really when you find out how bad Isaacs heart and Holy Water actually is.

[Flavor Leaf]

like yeah, i see a scum possibility, but i cant say it's that strong when I compare it up to players like Cat Scratch, Mega, Toogeloo, Ydrasse, the former 3 being almost in identical situations as tictac.

I even like Cat Scratch/Mega cases for them being scum better by going a bit deeper.

Catboi fade really just solves everything.

[SCP 682]

ok FL is just scum here.

[SCP 682]

FL = malefactor

just ignore and move on