Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

i LITERALLY townread enchant like holy shit.

yeah, after pushing them and using the same type of push to push them, and argued the exact same way.

[Nero Cain]

that REALLY makes it sound like a catboi/ND team

[Well Done]

wanna know whats really annoying

those who are pushing "us" as a lurker there is other players who have little posts as well and aren't having fire placed under their ass

You keep minimizing the case against you as just being about being a lurker. I don't think that's remotely close to the bulk of the case for most people voting.

I mean a lot of it has to do with people disliking titus posts
which i cant really do anything about b/c they werent written by me

as for people scumreading my slot -- a lot of people have mentioned it as omg "mala is lurking" "mala is disinterested = scum-mala"

You're right, it wasn't written by you.

Thing is, What Titus says contradicts you. They say that you were the one pushing this and they were following your read. I pointed this out in post 3475.

Here it is again:

This also doesn't make sense to me

Because in 1675 Titus seems to have a townread on catboi. In 1684 is the weird switch in perspective, both posts coming from Titus.

Then in 3063 Titus passes it off as Mala being the one who scumread catboi, and pointed to "the number of counters expressed". Except that all seems to have been from Titus herself, not from Mala. I also think that this post forgets that they already did the work in 2071

I'm starting to feel ill so I must question my reads from this morning.

Can someone briefly give me points where they feel I'm wrong besides catboi is too town to be town?

~Titus

I'm starting to feel ill so I must question my reads from this morning.

Can someone briefly give me points where they feel I'm wrong besides catboi is too town to be town?

~Titus

You showed up late. You need to look at that bnuuy wagon.

I will but I feel that it's another counter to catboi. That makes me think town before reading.

However, I am open to being wrong. It's also getting to the point where there are so many counters that catboi may need to be eliminated as catboi couldn't live until elo.

~Titus

If I am active, I can and do come up with solutions regardless of alignment. I do what I can.

Ftr, Mala was in favor of catboi town. The number of counters expressed is telling. Later today, I intend to compare if it's the same players given my wagon took off after debating going with Mala's read due to game circumstances.

~Titus

*catboi scum. Typo.

This also doesn't make sense to me

The only difference I see is who is doing the voting. If it was people familiar with me, I would lean towards scum saving catboi. Yet Butter and Wallflower are not familiar with me.

If I am active, I can and do come up with solutions regardless of alignment. I do what I can.

Ftr, Mala was in favor of catboi town. The number of counters expressed is telling. Later today, I intend to compare if it's the same players given my wagon took off after debating going with Mala's read due to game circumstances.

~Titus

Doesn't 2071 imply that Titus already did what they are saying they intend to do later today - compare the players

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This is a good post! It also looks to me like Nashville Dreams weren't able to maintain internal consistency and forgot who they were supposed to be sussing by confusing Monkeyman with catboi.

I'll keep reading, but based on the most recent VC and scrolling through the last few pages, it doesn't look like the wagon on them developed much further, which is kind of odd, because I feel like this is more solid that anything else that's happened so far this game.

Also:

Interesting how I postulate that voting Catboi might be required for the game state causes us to be a counter to catboi. This definitely means I need to reset my catboi read when I catch up.

The only difference I see is who is doing the voting. If it was people familiar with me, I would lean towards scum saving catboi. Yet Butter and Wallflower are not familiar with me.

Would like for Nashville Dreams to acknowledge posts 1705, 2109, 2113/2116 at some point

Literally, like almost all my posts after that point. I even quoted this series of posts before.

This is very disingenious.

~Titus

This really doesn't answer most of what was quoted

[Flavor Leaf]

that REALLY makes it sound like a catboi/ND team

I thought so too for a bit. But Catboi ended up pushing Nashville there without really putting pressure on TicTac.

And Norwegian-Catboi were pushing each other lightly, but then they ended up sheeping each other.


And Ydrasse replaces into this game and throws a town read on Catboi.

Ydrasse-Catboi-Mastina has been on my mind, and maybe it's not TicTac, but I did see some merit it TicTac scum with their jump off of Catboi., but it could just be townie tictac not doing anything.

[Nashville Dreams]

that REALLY makes it sound like a catboi/ND team

To be fair, I'd think this too from his perspective.

I have no problem going back to catboi if we want though for the VCA grail.

[DkKoba]

i LITERALLY townread enchant like holy shit.

yeah, after pushing them and using the same type of push to push them, and argued the exact same way.

dont compare that to this when i didnt even cite a single enchant post and when I went to I realized i was wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

that REALLY makes it sound like a catboi/ND team

the Catboi wagon dissipated completely and got down to 1 vote now that your slot replaced out.

It never got bigger than 6 votes.

[SCP 682]

in epicmafia community we plow through scummmy lurkers d1/d2 and hit scum always

I mean, there's going to be mostly lurking scum in games here too but players like toog, tic tac etc. are just going to be mainly inactive regardless of alignment. Plowing through lurkers will net some scum true but it's also going to catch plenty of town.

i.
do.
not.
scum.
read.
them.
for.
lurking.

stop.
using.
their.
lurk.
status.
to.
shield.
them.

i LITERALLY townread enchant like holy shit.

i LITERALLY townread enchant like holy shit.

yeah, after pushing them and using the same type of push to push them, and argued the exact same way.

dont compare that to this when i didnt even cite a single enchant post and when I went to I realized i was wrong.

[SCP 682]

i'd lim my mother just to end the day at this point

"You just summoned your mom!" - Yuma

I just heard the largest wagon is StD's mom.

@scp, why townread Enchant?

because he has towny energy.

put in the work to analyze his meta and you can refute me - but I have a strong readrate on him.

[SCP 682]

i miss the days when I could call a player like ssbmkyouko scum or town and people sheeped me bc I actually have the track record to prove it.

[Nero Cain]

Anyway...

Nero, do you think butterchurn and tictac can be scum together?

~Titus

Why do you care what I think and why does it matter at all?

Butter voted tictac and I think OR says they are not a team but it's not impossible that it's a bus. I don't have enough information to give you a correct answer. What point does this question serve?

[Flavor Leaf]

There is no doubt in my mind that Nero is town here. Yes, my WallFlower read helps a lot, but I feel even Nero would say I'm pretty solid with reading them. Their entrance into this game and the pushes they've made make sense why he would think some of them, and I agree with Titus, it does make sense.

One of Nero's first posts was calling out Mastina, which I obviously have been agreeing with for a while.


Mastina-Catboi is not Town/Town, and their reads on each other are completely political positioning.

And then Catboi came in trying to use my exact reasoning on WallFlower/Flavor, and yes, they brought up that I would say this, but I think that was preemptive defense.

[Flavor Leaf]

i miss the days when I could call a player like ssbmkyouko scum or town and people sheeped me bc I actually have the track record to prove it.

this is the closest ive felt to you all game.

[Nashville Dreams]

This really doesn't answer most of what was quoted

Then you better well be damn specific/clearer in what wasn't answered by 4041 or my umpteen million other vote theory posts today.

~Titus

[Save The Dragons]

i still think wallflower/nero slot is scum

[Nashville Dreams]

There is no doubt in my mind that Nero is town here. Yes, my WallFlower read helps a lot, but I feel even Nero would say I'm pretty solid with reading them. Their entrance into this game and the pushes they've made make sense why he would think some of them, and I agree with Titus, it does make sense.

One of Nero's first posts was calling out Mastina, which I obviously have been agreeing with for a while.


Mastina-Catboi is not Town/Town, and their reads on each other are completely political positioning.

And then Catboi came in trying to use my exact reasoning on WallFlower/Flavor, and yes, they brought up that I would say this, but I think that was preemptive defense.

Mala agrees with the mastina callout. I don't necessarily trust the claim but I don't feel comfortable stating what I think mastina is doing.

~Titus

[Sword of Ducks]

i don't know what that means but i lol'd anyway

small quip in ZEXAL episode 8 IIRC.

[Flavor Leaf]

@everyone

I can totally see that FL’s posting is ridiculous at times but like it or not they are probably town

Yeah, WallFlower's been the most helpful to me all game besides that one Enchant post that Enchant made towards me that probably is the reason I'm not wanting to go Enchant.

This in particualr is an instance of that, the way they're backing each other up but without really casing it, just going in a "just trust me" way screams manipulation. FL's going to shoot back with a claim that this is what's going on with me and mastina but it's not really the same at all given the reason I started townreading mastina was because she had a read I

viscerally disagreed with

this is a complete misrep by Catboi.

WallFlower and I were absolutely not going in a "just trust me" mentality.

We had our own individual reasonings for pushing Catboi, and WallFlower was actively off of Catboi for a long time before returning back to them.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s true that FL posts too much and I’m not 100% sure they are town but I do feel like they’ve added a lot of valuable insights to the game in between all the extra fluff and so I would agree with FL that it is unreasonable to shut them out in such a way.

I want to emphasize this: the FL/Wallflower dynamic is super not pure. The way it's going, they have locktowned each other over very little and wallflower is now playing the full-time role of acting as FL's #1 fan, backing up everything he says. It's not the same as a town/town dynamic because there's usually some mistrust or disagreement there, and instead it's blind mutual reinforcement. I don't think they're ever the same faction because scumbuddies just don't act this way toward one another but they're not both town. In Control, I noticed a dynamic between mastina and norwee (one was mafia, the other was SK, they both thought they were pocketing the other) but I couldn't find the will to fight it enough to flip them, and they both endgamed. This feels very similar to that in how they're talking about one another.

@everyone

I can totally see that FL’s posting is ridiculous at times but like it or not they are probably town

Yeah, WallFlower's been the most helpful to me all game besides that one Enchant post that Enchant made towards me that probably is the reason I'm not wanting to go Enchant.

This in particualr is an instance of that, the way they're backing each other up but without really casing it, just going in a "just trust me" way screams manipulation. FL's going to shoot back with a claim that this is what's going on with me and mastina but it's not really the same at all given the reason I started townreading mastina was because she had a read I

viscerally disagreed with

WallFlower and I weren't talking about each other really.

We were talking TO each other.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, i think I was tunneled into the Tictac/Catboi possibilities, but im looking over it, and i'm not entirely sure it's happening, especially not over someone like a Cat Scratch.

[MonkeyMan576]

I might consider voting Tictac but I’d really prefer catboi or wallflower.

[Well Done]

This really doesn't answer most of what was quoted

Then you better well be damn specific/clearer in what wasn't answered by 4041 or my umpteen million other vote theory posts today.

~Titus

Nevermind, 4041 is fine

[Nero Cain]

that REALLY makes it sound like a catboi/ND team

I thought so too for a bit. But Catboi ended up pushing Nashville there without really putting pressure on TicTac.

And Norwegian-Catboi were pushing each other lightly, but then they ended up sheeping each other.


And Ydrasse replaces into this game and throws a town read on Catboi.

Ydrasse-Catboi-Mastina has been on my mind, and maybe it's not TicTac, but I did see some merit it TicTac scum with their jump off of Catboi., but it could just be townie tictac not doing anything.

YD is basically a 3rd party this game. I mean maybe you could make the argument that YD fakeclaimed malefactor as mafia to get out of the days elimination but im going to go with YD was true claiming and that the rest of the mafia is is some combination the ppl outside of me and YD.

If Butterchurn and catboi keep pushing ND as scum it makes it look like a scum trio.

[Nashville Dreams]

Yeah, i think I was tunneled into the Tictac/Catboi possibilities, but im looking over it, and i'm not entirely sure it's happening, especially not over someone like a Cat Scratch.

I don't think Cat Scratch is a wagon. We were the last voter I think.

(The mod has our vote wrong in the last VC though which is troubling.)

~Titus

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: catboi

He seems defensive. My previous vote was a good vote as well.

This phrasing in the second sentence feels over-explain-y and self-aware. And hopping on to what looks like mostly a meme wagon, but doing so with serious reasons?

VOTE: MonkeyMan

Reading over the last few pages, I find Flavor Leaf's reads on the gamestate to be insightful and I generally agree that Wallflower doesn't look scummy here to me. I don't think I agree with the conclusion that catboi is scum taking advantage of that, though. I don't see much scummy out of catboi so far, and I think the initiative he has taken towards solving when he is present is town-indicative, even though I haven't always agreed with his reads.

Only did a cursory skim of his scumgame in a mini normal, but I think butterchurn is town here.

awesome. This one's big for me.

Butterchurn, similar to Menalque, Catboi made a comment like this towards you early, and while you understand and liked what I was saying, you were hesitant to go on Catboi because they made you feel good about them. they helped you trust them.

Interesting. If that's true, I think it probably did work. I've been townreading catboi for most of the game so far. I guess what makes me less sure on that point, though, is how he didn't really direct much towards me. It was a stated townread directed at the thread in general, and he hasn't seemed to go out of his way to interact with me since then. Asking for thoughts on things from a townread, making them feel like they matter and are important to the game, trying to solve together, buddying up to someone -- those are the type of things that I think of when I think of someone trying to pocket someone else. I don't feel like there has been a lot of that.

beginning of 1348

Why are they counter wagons to protect catboi and not to protect MonkeyMan?

If Butterchurn is scum, they are 100% scum with Catboi, and thus we should go Catboi first.

I don't believe they are scum if they aren't scum with Catboi specifically.