Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[SCP 682]

What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

They die without triggering their ability.

I think that if flavor leaf were town they would have shot mastina.

i will be making them shoot mastina tonight - if that slot gets saved it is confirmed scum have a doctor

Mastina was the plan to vig all along, especially after her claim, but Catboi had to go.

I will make myself shoot her.

Consider: you die if you dont shoot her.

[Flavor Leaf]

What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

A Beloved Princess is a player who, upon death, causes the next Day phase to be skipped. A common variation for Beloved Princess is that the Day-skipping event only occurs if the Beloved player is eliminated.

So, it's undetermined what happens if they get shot rather than eliminated.

Beloved Princess effect only takes place if the slot is faded, that's the standard for the role.

[Flavor Leaf]

What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

They die without triggering their ability.

I think that if flavor leaf were town they would have shot mastina.

i will be making them shoot mastina tonight - if that slot gets saved it is confirmed scum have a doctor

Mastina was the plan to vig all along, especially after her claim, but Catboi had to go.

I will make myself shoot her.

Consider: you die if you dont shoot her.

I'd be shooting her even if she was inno'd here.

[Flavor Leaf]

What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

They die without triggering their ability.

I think that if flavor leaf were town they would have shot mastina.

i will be making them shoot mastina tonight - if that slot gets saved it is confirmed scum have a doctor

Mastina was the plan to vig all along, especially after her claim, but Catboi had to go.

I will make myself shoot her.

Consider: you die if you dont shoot her.

I'd be shooting her even if she was inno'd here.

eh, maybe not if she was inno'd. She ain't Quick.

But yeah, I have absolutely zero qualms about shooting Mastina.

[Nero Cain]

But also I'm mechanically confirmed to not be scum with catboi so LOLOLOL

good thing I'm pushing you as mafia then

[MonkeyMan576]

catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me shooting Mastina is my decision, and has been on the to-do list since mid Day 1.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ok leashing flavor to mastina is fine

I think Klick could flip Mafia here actually, or more accurately, they're scum but not necessarily wolf

They kept flirting with but never committing to either catboi and ND wagons and ended the day vanity voting for some reason

[SCP 682]

@SCP Would love to hear some more insight into the discussion between you and FL.

I wasn't convinced by anything FL told me, it was all me rereading the entire thread ISO by ISO and reevaluating from a Mena scum perspective as well. I think the most recently damning thing was the push to get Klick to vote ND.

That being said - I think Klick is scum too. Just would be unaligned with Catboi. The beauty of multiball, as one would have it.

Not to sound confbiased but Catboi pointing out the reads list made me go look at it and think it looked like a reads list that a scum hunting for the other faction would have and taht tracks.


also discard the maf/wolf labels from my reads - FL lied about the masonry rofl.


he claimed tictac and malcom were masons with him as well.

Hey SCP, mind telling me how I'm being "too narrow"???

I already discarded that part. I jumped the gun but it overall doesn't override the tonal/instigatory vibe I get from you. I feel your thread presence is calculated in a way that is scum motivated.

oh fuck i just remembered the exact reason why i started to pursue catboi scum
like

when i replaced in i read pooky's reads
he had catboi scum
at the time i skimmed catboi and laughed at it and said nah

later on i was like hmm well pooky actually kinda better at town than me let me see(after I saw catboi egg on klick to vote nash)

so i was like ok *reads catboi's iso more closely*
*sees some subtly sus shit regarding positioning*
*sees the type of presence they have in the game*
so i start to scumread catboi at that point.

yate

when going back to reread butter's iso and ctrl-Fing catboi it also looked really weird how butter was treating catboi and people who were pushing them.

thus why that kinda evolved into my more up front reads atm.

boom gotem

mena can read catboi

mena found catboi scum

catboi recognizes mena scum too, but also recognizes that mena isnt pushing them.

they know.

I mean I haven't been town against mena-scum but in my observation the last few timeshe rlled scum he was super unmotivated, including PYP, and he feels very much not that here, so

I also don't think your argument about him tunneling is a good one because again recent experience with him as town suggests he isnt always going to do that on day 1

i think he comes off as unmotivated here so funny you bring that up because that is precisely the behavior i see here, and the reaction to my fos on him was that kind of unmotivated giving up rather than like being indignant about being read wrong or being curious as to how i reached that.

I have to say I don't see it even on a reread of his ISO but in genera I'm forming my reads from impressions rather than sitting down and really scrutinizing everything. I feel like this is unhelpful because we're speaking in generalizations and not getting anything across to one another. I don't feel like going full effort towncasing here when he's not an elimination candidate but I realize this makes it harder to communicate what I am thinking to you

Could you just for a moment imagine I could possibly be town who has a different read from you, and I will talk to you under the presumption you could be town, and we get into actual specifics about the read? I would like to understand your thinking, to see if there's something I'm missing or not

sure

i mean in this early game in a multiball even if youre scum i can help you catch the opposite team anyways so quid pro quo goes a long way

i do think however that there is possibly a world where butter is spewing you scum but also when i reread the butter scum game i saw they were abusing townies pushing townies to preemptively set themselves up so they could be townreading the pushee(you) and trying to position themselves to push people pushing you.

and that last post is why i stopped pushing there for the day + also was annoyed with FL

[Flavor Leaf]

Klick's like 90% Wolf, 7% Mafia, idk where people getting they're Mafia instead of Wolf here, and would like some clarification on that.

Dunnstral is probably Mafia.

[MonkeyMan576]

SCP's next post: "That's just a coincidence."

[Nero Cain]

tbf, SCP could have known Catboi was Wolf and was intenionally pushing away from the wolf flip b/c once all the wolves are dead the mafia can't hide behind them.

but yeah, koba reads and play have been trash but I think its prob just scum play.

[SCP 682]

catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

damn u really pulled out 1 post out and didnt read the rest

the laziness is clear

as it turns out i can change my mind based on new info

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ok leashing flavor to mastina is fine

I think Klick could flip Mafia here actually, or more accurately, they're scum but not necessarily wolf

They kept flirting with but never committing to either catboi and ND wagons and ended the day vanity voting for some reason

(And i don't think catboi and ND are scum together)

[SCP 682]

tbf, SCP could have known Catboi was Wolf and was intenionally pushing away from the wolf flip b/c once all the wolves are dead the mafia can't hide behind them.

but yeah, koba reads and play have been trash but I think its prob just scum play.

how would you describe my scum play?

[SCP 682]

lets have an intelligent conversation Nero - i want you to describe exactly what you think is scummy from me.

[SCP 682]

But also I'm mechanically confirmed to not be scum with catboi so LOLOLOL

good thing I'm pushing you as mafia then

good thing you are in the 0% read rate on koba club

[Nero Cain]

I already told you. I think you are likely mafia hunting the wolf team.

[SCP 682]

nero!town implies im town because of that fact tbh (:

[SCP 682]

I already told you. I think you are likely mafia hunting the wolf team.

yes - proof?

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunnstral, Klick, Mastina, Ydrasse are probably all scum.

One of Cat Scratch/MegA are probably scum, possible both, but I think scum were in the Catboi straggler 4 (tictac, toogs, CSF, Mega). Said that yesterday too, didn't think it was Toogs/TicTac. Still don't think so.

[SCP 682]

because I called mena a wolf because I have a wolf flip to work off of?

yes it is easier to hunt wolves from my point of view of having 2 townies clear of wolf + having a wolf flip to work off of

anything else?

[MonkeyMan576]

catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

damn u really pulled out 1 post out and didnt read the rest

the laziness is clear

as it turns out i can change my mind based on new info

I like how SCP is trying to convince us they are town after not voting catboi the whole day and specifically saying I think you are town.

[SCP 682]

Dunnstral, Klick, Mastina, Ydrasse are probably all scum.

One of Cat Scratch/MegA are probably scum, possible both, but I think scum were in the Catboi straggler 4 (tictac, toogs, CSF, Mega). Said that yesterday too, didn't think it was Toogs/TicTac. Still don't think so.

holy fuck stop tunneling ydrasse

[Flavor Leaf]

I think if SCP was Mafia, they would have been pushing Catboi more.