Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[Save The Dragons]

incidentally, my strategic principle going into this is that skitter/ari probably shouldn't be in the coalition unless there's a real dearth of towniness from other slots as they're the players I think it's hardest to catch on D1 if scum

i don't agree with this post, if they're townie they'll be townie. i believe in my ability to tr people and am not worried if they're scum because i believe in my ability to scum read them.

i just don't hold people to higher/lower standard. anyone can surprise you

[Save The Dragons]

menalque gth who would you coalition?

[Aristeia]

It feels like your complaint is more about that my list is too early rather than any issue with the quality?

to me they are one and the same

I guess Relly asking you to heal some people makes sense for producing it, but I guess I'm still confused by why those names vs any of the other three names when most names haven't really done anything yet to be worthy of inclusion

NK15 - I liked his thought about me being off balance because I am mafia with Datisi, I liked the singleminded focus on pushing that worldview - it feels like something he genuinely believes.

Relly - I don't really have any experience with him - he just feels tonally very townie and trying to move the game forward, just feels like he has takes and a natural progression that just clicks.

SaveTD - It's mostly the charisma. I liked that he's taking more of a leadership role and he's not trying to fade into the background.

Skitter - I guess I just don't think she engages with me this way as scum? It's a quite daring line of play and I think she would expect town!me to be able to figure out if she was faking suspicion of me because I am fairly decent at that and I'm somewhat ruthless so it could blow up for her. I don't think she needs to take such risks in this kind of game state.

Dats - I'm kind of biased here because it's Dats<3. I just feel like his thoughts flow in a very natural way and he doesn't feel uncomfortable to be present. I thought a lot of his posting as scum in the recently ended dance game felt like he couldn't wake to dip out of the thread and here he's just happy to mix it up with people.

[Menalque]

incidentally, my strategic principle going into this is that skitter/ari probably shouldn't be in the coalition unless there's a real dearth of towniness from other slots as they're the players I think it's hardest to catch on D1 if scum

i don't agree with this post, if they're townie they'll be townie. i believe in my ability to tr people and am not worried if they're scum because i believe in my ability to scum read them.

i just don't hold people to higher/lower standard. anyone can surprise you

do you think that some people are stronger scum players than others?

menalque gth who would you coalition?

myself
irrelephant

It feels like your complaint is more about that my list is too early rather than any issue with the quality?

to me they are one and the same

I guess Relly asking you to heal some people makes sense for producing it, but I guess I'm still confused by why those names vs any of the other three names when most names haven't really done anything yet to be worthy of inclusion

NK15 - I liked his thought about me being off balance because I am mafia with Datisi, I liked the singleminded focus on pushing that worldview - it feels like something he genuinely believes.

Relly - I don't really have any experience with him - he just feels tonally very townie and trying to move the game forward, just feels like he has takes and a natural progression that just clicks.

SaveTD - It's mostly the charisma. I liked that he's taking more of a leadership role and he's not trying to fade into the background.

Skitter - I guess I just don't think she engages with me this way as scum? It's a quite daring line of play and I think she would expect town!me to be able to figure out if she was faking suspicion of me because I am fairly decent at that and I'm somewhat ruthless so it could blow up for her. I don't think she needs to take such risks in this kind of game state.

Dats - I'm kind of biased here because it's Dats<3. I just feel like his thoughts flow in a very natural way and he doesn't feel uncomfortable to be present. I thought a lot of his posting as scum in the recently ended dance game felt like he couldn't wake to dip out of the thread and here he's just happy to mix it up with people.

okay, ty for the elaboration

[Save The Dragons]

do you think that some people are stronger scum players than others?

some people might have better records but i don't really care about other people's i care more about how i'm doing

[fireisredsir]

SaveTD - It's mostly the charisma. I liked that he's taking more of a leadership role and he's not trying to fade into the background.

skitter do you agree with this assessment?

asking you specifically cause you disagreed with my take on std and i feel like exactly the opposite of this so if you both disagree with me there then maybe im just interpreting wrong idk

[Save The Dragons]

HEAL: save the dragons
HEAL: skitter30
HEAL: aristeia
HEAL: menalque
HEAL: irrelephant

my work here is done*

*second try

[Menalque]

do you think that some people are stronger scum players than others?

some people might have better records but i don't really care about other people's i care more about how i'm doing

I'm just trying to get my head round your stance on not being warier of certain people

I'm not in favour of complacency, but let's say you have player X who is well-known for being very good as scum and as town

and player Y who is well-known for seeming towny when town but having a terrible scumgame

let's say both players had identical (towny) ISOs

would you feel equally confident calling them both town?

[Aristeia]

I mean sure it makes sense to coalition 5 polarized players who are hard towntelling with high levels of certainty but we don't have that here.

you kind of have to work with what you have - not what you hope to have?

[Save The Dragons]

do you think that some people are stronger scum players than others?

some people might have better records but i don't really care about other people's i care more about how i'm doing

I'm just trying to get my head round your stance on not being warier of certain people

I'm not in favour of complacency, but let's say you have player X who is well-known for being very good as scum and as town

and player Y who is well-known for seeming towny when town but having a terrible scumgame

let's say both players had identical (towny) ISOs

would you feel equally confident calling them both town?

yeah probably if they were both townie according to me

[Menalque]

I mean sure it makes sense to coalition 5 polarized players who are hard towntelling with high levels of certainty but we don't have that here.

you kind of have to work with what you have - not what you hope to have?

Yes, but that’s not why I’m asking

do you think that some people are stronger scum players than others?

some people might have better records but i don't really care about other people's i care more about how i'm doing

I'm just trying to get my head round your stance on not being warier of certain people

I'm not in favour of complacency, but let's say you have player X who is well-known for being very good as scum and as town

and player Y who is well-known for seeming towny when town but having a terrible scumgame

let's say both players had identical (towny) ISOs

would you feel equally confident calling them both town?

yeah probably if they were both townie according to me

hmm okay ty

[Datisi]

i didn't like save the dragons's read on mena on pages 7/8, it felt more like trying to find something Weird to attack rather than actually having a read on something that makes someone scum

i can see and agree on ari's points in 177 but my read on fire is usually bad and i don't have too many townreads reads otherwise so i am not like, Convinced yet

datis is prob town
ari feels town as well.

HEAL: datis
HEAL: ari

idk about skitter,
i'm very bad about reading std
i dont have much exp with fire

mmm
this reminds me of like, lazy scum-mala i guess

the first thing that jumps out at me is the "i don't have much exp with fire" because i know mala's exp with me is one (1) game where we were both scum and i don't think the discussion about fire was so much about past experiences compared to discussion about other people that it warranted to mention specifically for him that she doesn't have experience

that sentence is a mess but it boils down to "explain pls"

190 does make me feel that ari is town, or rather it solidifies my read a bit more - it makes sense both with what happened in this game and in prior games and yeah

@ari why do u think fire gives me a townread and hedges a scumread on you
Kf anything i kinda feel like scum-him would do the opposite
(I am very prone to getting pocketed, yes yes yes)

correct me if i'm wrong, but this post kind of makes it sould like scum!fire would *have* to give one townread and one scumread in {aristeia, skitter}, so my q is why

and also like, why do you think fire would be likely to townread you here? i don't think he's familiar with your prone-ness to getting pocketed or whatever

200 from fire is a bit oof though

like i recall that fire said he wanted to wait for everyone to post before healing, but like, (1) mala had posted before (this point is pedantry tho so whatever) but (2) what about mala's 178 is something that makes you wanna heal her

done with page 9 and i'm tired and i'll be back in a bit

[Aristeia]

Yes, but that’s not why I’m asking

you're saying that skitter/I shouldn't included in a coalition because we're scary as scum players - but like you kind of have to have townie players to put in such a coalition in lieu of putting us for this plan to work?

otherwise you're just kind of policy-excluding us for being good at scum and that's kind of a silly thing.

[Save The Dragons]

i didn't like save the dragons's read on mena on pages 7/8, it felt more like trying to find something Weird to attack rather than actually having a read on something that makes someone scum

i think the "seeming performative" part got lost in favor of the "i don't get what 146 was trying to say" part

but i've changed my mind obv

[fireisredsir]

200 from fire is a bit oof though

like i recall that fire said he wanted to wait for everyone to post before healing, but like, (1) mala had posted before (this point is pedantry tho so whatever) but (2) what about mala's 178 is something that makes you wanna heal her

(1) i got 0 from her original posts and got slightly more than 0 from that post, so by my own arbitrary guidelines of what counts, that one counted and the others didn't

(2) maybe this is overthinking but i felt like it looked too much like lazy scum mala (which at least a couple people here should know what that looks like) and unless she just like straight up doesn't care at all (in which case she will prob get caught sooner than later anyway) i thought she would make some attempt to not look like that. and yes i have talked myself out of correct scumreads like at least once a game with this logic and i am aware of that. but anyway after this i also kinda liked her questioning my heal on her, didn't feel like something she would be as likely to do as scum

[Datisi]

std - backpedalling is a thing that exists but alright sure

fire - i think that's not a Good reason to townread someone since just because someone knows they need to play differently doesn't mean that they CAN do that, and this is a setup where one scum lowkey benefits from looking scummy if they're also distanced enough for later, but that's a theoretical discussion that's not very helpful right now

as for her "questioning" your read on her, 216 felt more like she was asking "what do you mean now that i've posted, i've posted before" rather than "why are you townreading me for that post", which feels like something scum might do if they feel like they should enter a conversation with you but they don't want to actually make you rethink your townread or open the gates for discussion there

[Save The Dragons]

std - backpedalling is a thing that exists but alright sure

[Datisi]

I think mena is probably town

why? i don't necessarily disagree, but the timing of this makes me feel like you're townreading him for things i don't really think are town!indicative

Not sure i agree with that logic tho, i think you would like playing scum with dats

i would like for nk15 to actually elaborate on what he was saying in 236 because there's a townier and a scummier universe for 236, but i'm not inclined to ask specific questions and lead him to the answer

ok i'm gonna say
i think mena is town for 255

the post itself is nothing really special that's outside of mena's scumrange, but it kinda makes me think that his trajectory on skitter, doesn't like, make a ton of sense if he's scum

because i know mena has that way of treating skitter that's "town until proven otherwise" and that would work okay for this game, especially as skitt was already starting to think that mena's town. so this kinda "actually i don't want to vote skitter into the coalition if there's other people" feels like, not a necessary stance to take? like, if he's scum and he doesn't want skitter inside the coalition, i think he knows this kind of theoretical approach is not very likely to make people actually remove skitter from the coalition. it does however, risk people disliking him for trying to argue something like that about a person they think is town because he's basically saying "i don't have a scumread but let's still not" which has an obvious +scum potential so why does he do it, exactly

like, this does make sense if the team is exactly mena/skitt but if that's the team, the game was lost at rand and this all is just a formality so i will not worry about it yet

[Datisi]

ok i'm up to date

HURT: all
HEAL: datisi
HEAL: aristeia
HEAL: skitter
HEAL: menalque

this is people i currently feel the best about. yes i know this coalition is kind of unlikely to go through. next order of business will be reviewing irrel and std because i feel like they are both people that most others think are town, but that i did not get any definitive townpings from but did get some scumpings from, so i will have to review. that will be done sometime before i go to sleep today because i gotta go at least pretend i'm working on uni stuff.

[Save The Dragons]

ping

fire what's your tell on datisi if he says ping

[Irrelephant11]

Guys I got malakittens+datisi scumteam in my eye and I can't get it out

I'm not even really advocating that that's definitely the scumteam it's just like... stuck there in my large elephant eye

My trunk is not quite nimble enough to hepl, someone help

[Irrelephant11]

I think mena is probably town

why? i don't necessarily disagree, but the timing of this makes me feel like you're townreading him for things i don't really think are town!indicative

Not sure i agree with that logic tho, i think you would like playing scum with dats

i would like for nk15 to actually elaborate on what he was saying in 236 because there's a townier and a scummier universe for 236, but i'm not inclined to ask specific questions and lead him to the answer

ok i'm gonna say
i think mena is town for 255

the post itself is nothing really special that's outside of mena's scumrange, but it kinda makes me think that his trajectory on skitter, doesn't like, make a ton of sense if he's scum

because i know mena has that way of treating skitter that's "town until proven otherwise" and that would work okay for this game, especially as skitt was already starting to think that mena's town. so this kinda "actually i don't want to vote skitter into the coalition if there's other people" feels like, not a necessary stance to take? like, if he's scum and he doesn't want skitter inside the coalition, i think he knows this kind of theoretical approach is not very likely to make people actually remove skitter from the coalition. it does however, risk people disliking him for trying to argue something like that about a person they think is town because he's basically saying "i don't have a scumread but let's still not" which has an obvious +scum potential so why does he do it, exactly

like, this does make sense if the team is exactly mena/skitt but if that's the team, the game was lost at rand and this all is just a formality so i will not worry about it yet

actually this is a towny post hmmm

[Save The Dragons]

Try an antacid

[Irrelephant11]

I don't know if aristeia and datisi both insist the other is being very towny then maybe I have to consider that they're aligned and if they're both going to put in so much effort to be team players (aristeia trying not to clog the thread, datisi double-checking whether I and the dragon are actually safe townreads) then maybe I shouldn't scumread them. Is that dumb? To townread people for towny things in this setup? My brain is hurting

pedit: It's funny every time

[Irrelephant11]

At some point I need to channel Shoshin again so I can get those really cool angle-shoot-y reads that are based on irrefutable things that nobody would ever think of. Like my first townread on NK15, I felt so clever thinking of that,