Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[cassowary]

Also I recall I used a different name for Bookie in that game I modded

ah, I see -- I definitely remember the term 'bookie' coming up at some point though in that game though so that was where my mind went first

@cass I don’t get how you think I’m avoiding giving hard reads, sure I’m not saying all of them explicitly but I think it should be apparent I SR SCP and MegA here

I guess I maybe misphrased that -- it's not that I think you're avoiding giving hard reads, it's that the reasoning for those reads feels kind of superficial and like you're avoiding giving concrete thoughts? like your objections to them seem to be mostly... 'procedural' and I'm not convinced those are good reasons to SR people. It's like you're trying to seem like you're giving legit reads but instead you're just pointing out mistakes/bad town play by people and then going 'I SR them for this' which doesn't make a lot of sense to me?

Like in 6132 it looks like you're acting like you find SCP suspicious over thinking bookie was something else but that's not an actual reason to find them suspicious, that's just them being wrong about something

pedit:

I still don't think it makes sense for FL's kill condition to be tied to keeping possible scum alive.

This is still weird to me too fwiw, but I don't think it's completely implausible as a balance condition for a town vig especially if there might be other gated town kill roles floating around?

[SCP 682]

I still don't think it makes sense for FL's kill condition to be tied to keeping possible scum alive.

I still think it's more possible for him to be scum who decided to fake claim vig than actual vig.

I still think we don't want FL to be around in the late portions of the game.

I still think FL being eliminated is better than any potential vig beneifit.

It makes perfect sense. It makes him less likely to shoot into the monastery.

[Nero Cain]

I still think we don't want FL to be around in the late portions of the game.

its d2. If he's still around by d6 then it's maybe something we can talk about but eliminating d2 to keep a player from being around late game is dumb.

I thnk his gate makes sense.

An extra kill role in a game with limited killing power makes some sense to me. I know this is outguessing the mod.

I don't think the way you are looking at the probability of him rolling a vig is how role distribution works.

[MonkeyMan576]

I still don't think it makes sense for FL's kill condition to be tied to keeping possible scum alive.

I still think it's more possible for him to be scum who decided to fake claim vig than actual vig.

I still think we don't want FL to be around in the late portions of the game.

I still think FL being eliminated is better than any potential vig beneifit.

It makes perfect sense. It makes him less likely to shoot into the monastery.

If he is town and the other monastary player is scum why shouldn't he shoot them? Seems like a conflict of interest.

[SCP 682]

Thats literally what CabD did in the first iteration of this theme rofl

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess I maybe misphrased that -- it's not that I think you're avoiding giving hard reads, it's that the reasoning for those reads feels kind of superficial and like you're avoiding giving concrete thoughts? like your objections to them seem to be mostly... 'procedural' and I'm not convinced those are good reasons to SR people. It's like you're trying to seem like you're giving legit reads but instead you're just pointing out mistakes/bad town play by people and then going 'I SR them for this' which doesn't make a lot of sense to me?

Like in 6132 it looks like you're acting like you find SCP suspicious over thinking bookie was something else but that's not an actual reason to find them suspicious, that's just them being wrong about something

this makes sense

[bnuuy]

Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

[MonkeyMan576]

Thats literally what CabD did in the first iteration of this theme rofl

What's that? Can you provide a link?

[SCP 682]

Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

no i actually did not suspect a thing but now this helps me solidify a read on you


talk to me abt ur scumread on me

[Nero Cain]

Granted, I think his CSF reasoning is...bizarre to say the least, and it's not

IMPOSSIBLE

that he rolled scum and decided to fakeclaim vig but the extra kill is helpful for town. Even if he were roleblocked that's still unblocking a potentially useful role.

[Nero Cain]

A player that has incorrectly scumread me for 5 games in a row suddenly not hard scumreading me...hrmmm

[SCP 682]

Granted, I think his CSF reasoning is...bizarre to say the least, and it's not

IMPOSSIBLE

that he rolled scum and decided to fakeclaim vig but the extra kill is helpful for town. Even if he were roleblocked that's still unblocking a potentially useful role.

And WW will potentially just shoot there to shut him down lol

[Cat Scratch Fever]

do you think fl is scum

Yeah his push on me is pretty bad I think?

And with no other kills last night, I don't really buy that it's a vig over scum a kill. like yes, I do know that scum can only kill 2/3 nights and there might be protectives, but I just think it's unlikely

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Flavor also had this weird defense of Nashville from yesterday, who I still think is scum

[Save The Dragons]

what do you think of the wagon on you

[SCP 682]

I led this wagon on you and I townread FL CSF, as well as have stated FLs claim came during the night phase.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

okay so why are you scumreading me? Is it for the same reason?

And I went back to check, his vote was in 5888, which was before yours

Yeah I saw that he claimed at night and also claimed to have crumbed D1, but I don't think that's out of his scumrange, so it doesn't really change my mind that much.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

what do you think of the wagon on you

I think Nashville and Ydrasse are scum if that helps

[Save The Dragons]

Ok leashing flavor to mastina is fine

what changed since this

[Save The Dragons]

what do you think of the wagon on you

I think Nashville and Ydrasse are scum if that helps

what partners which group

[MonkeyMan576]

i think CSF is more likely town than SCP.

[Save The Dragons]

we'll get your scumdar fixed on d3

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah that's what they said about catboi and toog.

[SCP 682]

Yeah that's what they said about catboi and toog.

what did I say about catboi?

I asked you a while ago to prove I townread catboi past my initial read. Did you find it?

[MonkeyMan576]

Yes I already posted it, check my iso.