Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[fireisredsir]

datisi did you already explain why you townread ari and if so can you explain it better

can you answer this btw

[Datisi]

i have literally just quoted it in the other tab and opened ari's iso so yes yes i can but typing takes a nonzero amount of time

[fireisredsir]

ok ok i didn't know if you saw it

[Irrelephant11]

Parenting will probably preclude me from writing anything brainy until tomorrow but hold my feet to the fire if I haven’t answered all questions and objections within 24 hours

[Irrelephant11]

I’ll give a tl;dr of datisi/mala:

-early undeserved mutual heals
-skitter who’s played with ari and Datisi says they’re being weird and one is maybe scum
-ari seemed townier than Datisi att
-last time I played a full coalition game the team was [talkative and working to get into the coalition]+[lurking and aiming to stay out of it]

[Irrelephant11]

Oh and
-I townread most other players more

[Datisi]

datisi did you already explain why you townread ari and if so can you explain it better

it's a mix of her doing things that i don't think scum!her would be doing and actually seeming like she's solving.

i know i got shut down on saying this but i don't care, i don't think it's very logical for scum!her to approach skitter by asking her to be in a coalition with two people she deemed to have awkward interactions and have explicitly said she does not want in.

then hear reads just Make Sense to me. the read on mena and the callback on the previous coalition makes sense because mena was really townie in that game. the thought process laid out in 190 is something that i don't exactly recall ari do when she's scum, making plans is one thing but this is such a small thing that i don't know if scum!her bothers to fake it because like, scum!her doesn't need to fake such a thing in order to be persuasive and get her goal.

there's also... the ??? of townreading nk15 and declaring him as coalition material. like he pretty much said he was gonna not let ari into the coalition, and the read he said is bad, why would scum!her be hyping him up? like, it only makes sense if it's theatre, except it doesn't make sense if it's theatre because it's downright the stupidest theatre i'd seen.

and overall she seems to both be promoting the game moving forward while not actually hijacking the thread and trying to make it move in the direction she wants to. that seems like not a great plan for scum because you're opening the door for 7 townies and your buddy to have to discuss without much of our influence and considering ari is definitely in the top three of scum players on this playerlist, that overall seems. not a good plan. sure, she's getting into people's coalitions yes, but it doesn't feel like she tried to force her way in there and it's overall more risk doing it this way

obviously if she's scum and she has an ubertownread partner she doesn't have to care about this immediately but we solve with what we've got and yeah, it's more likely she's Just Town.

[Datisi]

-early undeserved mutual heals

-last time I played a full coalition game the team was [talkative and working to get into the coalition]+[lurking and aiming to stay out of it]

pick one

[Not Known 15]

I’ll give a tl;dr of datisi/mala:

-early undeserved mutual heals
-skitter who’s played with ari and Datisi says they’re being weird and one is maybe scum
-ari seemed townier than Datisi att
-last time I played a full coalition game the team was [talkative and working to get into the coalition]+[lurking and aiming to stay out of it]

HEAL: Menalque
HEAL: Not Known 15
HEAL: Skitter30
HEAL: fireisredsir
HEAL: Irrelephant11
No mala.
Not the still extremely likely ari/datisi
No STD.

[Save The Dragons]

why

[Irrelephant11]

I’ll give a tl;dr of datisi/mala:

-early undeserved mutual heals
-skitter who’s played with ari and Datisi says they’re being weird and one is maybe scum
-ari seemed townier than Datisi att
-last time I played a full coalition game the team was [talkative and working to get into the coalition]+[lurking and aiming to stay out of it]

Fwiw I’m now leaning Datisi/Aristeia t/t
Skitter if you reread their early game do you still think they’re being awkward in a scummy way

Petit: pick one what

NK15 can you play more please

[Not Known 15]

I’ll give a tl;dr of datisi/mala:

-early undeserved mutual heals
-skitter who’s played with ari and Datisi says they’re being weird and one is maybe scum
-ari seemed townier than Datisi att
-last time I played a full coalition game the team was [talkative and working to get into the coalition]+[lurking and aiming to stay out of it]

Fwiw I’m now leaning Datisi/Aristeia t/t
Skitter if you reread their early game do you still think they’re being awkward in a scummy way

Petit: pick one what

NK15 can you play more please

Tomorrow. The game filled a bit faster then I thought it would. Still busy.

[Datisi]

pick one what

i don't think both of those points i quoted can exist at the same time, and if they can i want a bit of an elaboration on how they coexist

[skitter30]

NK15 - I liked his thought about me being off balance because I am mafia with Datisi, I liked the singleminded focus on pushing that worldview - it feels like something he genuinely believes.

nk15 - so i guess on surface i kinda agree with you, but then when i think about it more, i wonder: wow, there really isn't a ton of nuance here, and he's very dogged abt this opinion, and doesn't really seem to be revisiting it much, so now i'm less ure

[skitter30]

SaveTD - It's mostly the charisma. I liked that he's taking more of a leadership role and he's not trying to fade into the background.

skitter do you agree with this assessment?

asking you specifically cause you disagreed with my take on std and i feel like exactly the opposite of this so if you both disagree with me there then maybe im just interpreting wrong idk

honestly no
i'm not 100% sure how to articulate this read but i know this isn't it

[skitter30]

correct me if i'm wrong, but this post kind of makes it sould like scum!fire would *have* to give one townread and one scumread in {aristeia, skitter}, so my q is why

and also like, why do you think fire would be likely to townread you here? i don't think he's familiar with your prone-ness to getting pocketed or whatever

no i meant more like, *if* a sr were to be given out, i would have expected it to be the other way around
not that he necessarily had to give sr's

and similarly *if* scum-fire were giving townreads to everyone, i think he'd think it would naturally go to ari

[skitter30]

why? i don't necessarily disagree, but the timing of this makes me feel like you're townreading him for things i don't really think are town!indicative

i like his approach to me (namely, townread me always etc but also exercising caution wrt putting me in the coalition, feels like a natural approach if he's worried about me)
i like his approach to coalition-making in general

[skitter30]

Fwiw i've played many games with irrel, albeit not really recently

I linked that one in particular because it was the first round of coalition ever iirc and it was a Good Game with a good pl

I wasnt trying to imply anything r.e. meta or how we should be reading his alignment here

btw the game I repped in was not the first coalition ever. It was the third, and the second one we won together

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=77544

ooooooh fair enuf. that one has definitely stuck in my memory tho

[skitter30]

Skitter if you reread their early game do you still think they’re being awkward in a scummy way

yeah (particularly 47) but not as bad as i did before
so maybe i'm just tunneled idk
i really don't like the context of 47 + it's surrounding dialogue tho

~
HURT: all
HEAL: mena
HEAL: std
VOTE: mala

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: mala

[Irrelephant11]

I dunno I think most of what I found weird about Datisi/Aristeia is being resolved by
-both working hard for town (maybe, maybe I'm accidentally just townreading lots of posts)
-reading a bit of their shared history, which is explaining why their earlygame dynamic seemed so complex so quickly

Why is it scummy for their shared history to... not repeat itself exactly as it has before?

[Irrelephant11]

hi irrel!!

why did you call me Irrel?

[Irrelephant11]

I think datisi is mad at my shading his slot in the same way I've seen happen many times when two people's playstyles don't gel (I think mine and Datisi's don't gel).

I'm over here like "I'll just play and push and pull and read and vote and see if I can achieve some stuff for town without breaking my back"
Datisi is like "Unwritten thoughts don't exist, therefore I will write all of mine and dislike any posts without every thought on paper"

And I poked at him a bit and he got mad in a self-righteous way I think is hard to fake as scum

[Irrelephant11]

like ok one thing is that the tone does read pretty pure.

i feel that both irrel and std are some sorta vibe townreads for the majority of the game, and either my vibe radar is broken or they're getting read for nonsense reasons

I don't know, these don't go together really which feels a little scum-motivated

I think I used to be better at mafia when I slept through the night

[Irrelephant11]

-early undeserved mutual heals

-last time I played a full coalition game the team was [talkative and working to get into the coalition]+[lurking and aiming to stay out of it]

pick one

I get how these are contradictory though, that's actually a good point. Maybe I just scumread mala?