Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[Save The Dragons]

In 146 I was trying to make it clear that I was aware that 145 was not actually a compelling argument at all

But once I’d had the idea of the argument, I decided to post it anyway, because it would be funny to make a post that was trash arguing for why I’m town, only to immediately give a wink wink nudge nudge acknowledgement that it wasn’t that at all

ok how is this not performative

[Irrelephant11]

Scummiest thing std has done is put himself in his coalitions

[Datisi]

I think you're scumreading irrel for being performative but I'm not sure if being performative is AI for him.

it's not exactly that i was scumreading him - like i definitely disliked the trajectory on me and thought it was +scum, don't get me wrong, but my overall idea was more that i don't get why he was such a popular townread for the majority on the game when i did not see *why*

[Save The Dragons]

like i really feel like people are ignoring that part of the argument to be like "oh STD acted funny because he said the same thing as 146"

granted i don't think you're scum but i think it could be seen as performative, hence why i saw it as performative.

ping

[Save The Dragons]

Scummiest thing std has done is put himself in his coalitions

i will not vote for a coalition without me in it, i'm more comfortable picking out 4 townies than 5 townies

[Irrelephant11]

Scummiest thing std has done is put himself in his coalitions

i will not vote for a coalition without me in it, i'm more comfortable picking out 4 townies than 5 townies

I know, it’s not that scummy
I’m saying you’re town

[Save The Dragons]

oh

cool beans then

[Datisi]

In 146 I was trying to make it clear that I was aware that 145 was not actually a compelling argument at all

But once I’d had the idea of the argument, I decided to post it anyway, because it would be funny to make a post that was trash arguing for why I’m town, only to immediately give a wink wink nudge nudge acknowledgement that it wasn’t that at all

ok how is this not performative

performative? maybe

but like, personally i say that as the first +town thing mena has done bc i'm used to his town!personality being like that. actually his earlier non-response to me asking if he was scum was really concerning so the fact that he started kinda, seeming like he doesn't hate his own life was a very good sign

but why is being performative scummy

[Save The Dragons]

i tend to scum read performative entrances

i think people have trouble getting into the thread as scum and overcompensate by being zealous or bombastic or performative

[Datisi]

this is an example of an angleshooty townie post because I think he thinks at that moment in time maybe you heard someone refer to him as irrel in a scum pt and it struck him as weird you referred to him that way.

i got extremely annoyed at that question because it was obviously with an undertone of "datisi is scum and his scum partner called me irrel in the scum pt so that's why datisi called me irrel" when like. first of all i'm not scum. second of all i often shorten people's names and make up shortenings for people's names. third of all EVEN IF i were scum and my scumbuddy called him "irrel" in the scum pt scum!me would've NEVER made a mistake like that because i think about every single post i make and i don't make mistakes like that

but it's impossible to argue all of that out without other people going "idk dats you're being kinda defensive huehuehue being defensive is scummy"

but, if i do look at it from a more neutral perspective, it's probably +town, and the last time i've seen someone make that argument they were town so. i guess. i'm fine.

[Aristeia]

hi friends i'm done with over 2/3rds of my biology seminar are y'all proud of me

I am proud of you <3

[Not Known 15]

I think you're scumreading irrel for being performative but I'm not sure if being performative is AI for him.

it's not exactly that i was scumreading him - like i definitely disliked the trajectory on me and thought it was +scum, don't get me wrong, but my overall idea was more that i don't get why he was such a popular townread for the majority on the game when i did not see *why*

Well, the last time this happened in a game we both were in irrelephant turned out to be scum. So if it isn't you and ari irrelephant is probably worth a look.

[Datisi]

thanks for 414, mena

i'm not overall sold because like, i don't put too much stock in people having trajectories like that because it's like. they're in the middle of amount of content on a different person. what i mean is, i feel like town is more likely to either (1) not say anything, or (2) actually write their thoughts out on why they're feeling what they're feeling. when someone's trajectory on another person is "skitt has done towny things" "i am getting paranoid of skitter" etc it kind of sits uncomfortably in the middle where there's like, nothing i can look back on the thread and say what or why they were thinking. and it's worrying because that part is much more difficult to fake than just saying "town on x, oop now i'm getting paranoid" etc

though i do like the reflection in 233 now that i've properly registered it so lol

[Datisi]

thanks for 414, mena

i'm not overall sold because like, i don't put too much stock in people having trajectories like that because it's like. they're in the middle of amount of content on a different person. what i mean is, i feel like town is more likely to either (1) not say anything, or (2) actually write their thoughts out on why they're feeling what they're feeling. when someone's trajectory on another person is "skitt has done towny things" "i am getting paranoid of skitter" etc it kind of sits uncomfortably in the middle where there's like, nothing i can look back on the thread and say what or why they were thinking. and it's worrying because that part is much more difficult to fake than just saying "town on x, oop now i'm getting paranoid" etc

though i do like the reflection in 233 now that i've properly registered it so lol

[Datisi]

yay shitty internet making me doublepost

I think you're scumreading irrel for being performative but I'm not sure if being performative is AI for him.

it's not exactly that i was scumreading him - like i definitely disliked the trajectory on me and thought it was +scum, don't get me wrong, but my overall idea was more that i don't get why he was such a popular townread for the majority on the game when i did not see *why*

Well, the last time this happened in a game we both were in irrelephant turned out to be scum. So if it isn't you and ari irrelephant is probably worth a look.

what are you talking about here?

[Datisi]

yay shitty internet making me doublepost

I think you're scumreading irrel for being performative but I'm not sure if being performative is AI for him.

it's not exactly that i was scumreading him - like i definitely disliked the trajectory on me and thought it was +scum, don't get me wrong, but my overall idea was more that i don't get why he was such a popular townread for the majority on the game when i did not see *why*

Well, the last time this happened in a game we both were in irrelephant turned out to be scum. So if it isn't you and ari irrelephant is probably worth a look.

what are you talking about here?

[fireisredsir]

I mean it's nonsensical because he's literally saying

I have these 5 scumreads

im literally not and i refuted this the last time you said it, so the logic that follows in this post is invalid

i think you're smart enough to realize that this is clearly a misrep and so i don't really understand why you keep repeating this unless your goal is to frustrate me

ideal world if i were going solely on my own reads would be you/mala/irrel/std being left out, for example. nk is still not a scumread. you are not a strong scumread and are closer to null than scum. so if i were being left out i would prob want me to replace you in that list

that said i realize that i am not the best scumhunter here and i am also not townread enough for people to listen to me very much so i don't expect to be making a coalition solely on my own reads

[Not Known 15]

yay shitty internet making me doublepost

I think you're scumreading irrel for being performative but I'm not sure if being performative is AI for him.

it's not exactly that i was scumreading him - like i definitely disliked the trajectory on me and thought it was +scum, don't get me wrong, but my overall idea was more that i don't get why he was such a popular townread for the majority on the game when i did not see *why*

Well, the last time this happened in a game we both were in irrelephant turned out to be scum. So if it isn't you and ari irrelephant is probably worth a look.

what are you talking about here?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=75861
it's a bit old though.

[Irrelephant11]

Secret thing to catch scum:

In most setups, an easy way for scum to gain towncred is to share townreads on townies. They can honestly point out towny things that townies are doing and get rewarded for that, no lies required. In this setup, scum can’t hand out too many townreads on town D1, because it could result in town identifying each other more easily. They’re stuck scumreading and nullreading slots they might have otherwise townread for towncred, because they need to beat multiple townies to the top five towniest slots in the game. This leads to awkward/forced scumreads, and a general unwillingness to do the thing that is most fun for town in this setup: find other townies

This is why I thought datisi could maybe be scum (still a bit of paranoia there), but I think this fits fire way more. And it doesn’t describe dragons at all. Aristeia, too, is looking pretty towny for this reason.

Maybe not as exciting as it could be, but I think it’s done a lot of helpful sorting for me that I feel reasonably confident about

[Irrelephant11]

yay shitty internet making me doublepost

I think you're scumreading irrel for being performative but I'm not sure if being performative is AI for him.

it's not exactly that i was scumreading him - like i definitely disliked the trajectory on me and thought it was +scum, don't get me wrong, but my overall idea was more that i don't get why he was such a popular townread for the majority on the game when i did not see *why*

Well, the last time this happened in a game we both were in irrelephant turned out to be scum. So if it isn't you and ari irrelephant is probably worth a look.

what are you talking about here?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=75861
it's a bit old though.

My first ever game!

[Aristeia]

Who's your strongest scumread that you would 100% not want to be on the coalition and why?

well im arguing hardest for irrel to be left out bc he is currently on a lot of people's heal lists and i think he shouldn't be. mala probably has a higher chance of being scum, i guess? but she's already off the lists so i don't really need to care about that rn.

std i feel like my gut read is comparably strong to my feelings on irrel but i feel less capable of putting words to it or justifying it since multiple people have kinda shut it down previously

This is what you wrote so though? You seem to care more about how many people are healing Irrel than why he must be mafia.

[fireisredsir]

If it’s the latter, we can just agree now: neither you nor I will be in the coalition. If it’s the former, explain how I (the player who I would argue has done the most to move the game forward, but I digress) am scummier than malakittens, NK15, and your other scumread, Save the Dragons (who has the same reads as me but has done less to make the rest of the playerlist sortable).

a) yea thats fine with me, although i doubt it will happen just cause you said so

b) see it feels like you think that you deserve to be townread bc you have scored more townpoints than these other people who haven't done enough. and you seem annoyed that i am not giving you credit for your valiant attempts to score these townpoints. that's... just not how the game of mafia works. im not here to count up the townpoints that everyone has scored and calculate who has the most. im here to find scum. scum are perfectly capable of appearing like town. the point is to find which players have a scum motivation behind their actions. i believe that you do. do you think that you are incapable of scoring townpoints as scum? i read your past games and that is clearly not true.

[Datisi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=75861
it's a bit old though.

ah, "we" is you and irrel, for some reason i thought you were saying you and me and i was trying to remember which scum in anything upick had a similar progression to irrel here

definitely will not be reading through that but noted

got any feels on anyone else while i have you here?

[fireisredsir]

Who's your strongest scumread that you would 100% not want to be on the coalition and why?

well im arguing hardest for irrel to be left out bc he is currently on a lot of people's heal lists and i think he shouldn't be. mala probably has a higher chance of being scum, i guess? but she's already off the lists so i don't really need to care about that rn.

std i feel like my gut read is comparably strong to my feelings on irrel but i feel less capable of putting words to it or justifying it since multiple people have kinda shut it down previously

This is what you wrote so though? You seem to care more about how many people are healing Irrel than why he must be mafia.

i don't understand what that has to do with you falsely claiming that i have 5 scumreads, but ok, we can talk about this instead if you want to

i think it is more important for me to spent my energy on irrel bc if i am right and he is scum then the coalition will likely fail bc most people townread him. if i am right and mala is scum then... i don't have to do anything, bc she is already being left out. this doesn't mean that the number of heals on him makes him more likely to be scum, or that i care about that more, it just affects where i think it is worth discussing

im not really sure what your point is here tbh, maybe im missing what you're saying

[Datisi]

datisi, when you asked about the list earlier, the reason you were an exception wasn't bc I was TRing you at that point, but more because I objected more to everyone else than to you, but didn't want to elaborate as I wanted to allow some more natural interactions to play out w/out me influencing them

i am not sure i understand the difference between the two? (and also why are you healing me now?)