Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[Aristeia]

I have some thoughts on where to push if your coalition fails skitts.

I think its probly best to consolidate and push something through rather than keep waiting?

best case scenario maybe your coalition works and we just win

[skitter30]

sorry irrel i'm not trying to annoy you!
and i even townread you!

i just don't know if the reasons you're giving to townread yourself are inherently reasons why i townread you

[skitter30]

ok HEAL: dats

if this is wrong let's blame the short deadline

[Aristeia]

on reflection, i could probably add ari on the condition that if she doesn't like literally solve the game and is alive in elo she gets flipped
(again sorry <3 i have to cover my bases!)

hehe I might actually prefer being out of coalition so if it fails I can be conftowned since mala is probly almost always scum here

[Irrelephant11]

ari - feels really comfortable, not in everyone's coalition and seemingly unbothered. If scum, scum with someone other than mala/nk15/fire
std - based 90% on vibes I think he's town, needs a re-eval before end of phase. Could be scum with anyone, really, except fire
skitter - solving, we keep mindmelding (imo one of the best ways to find other townies in this setup, though obvs not perfect), making sense to me. If scum, pocketing me
menalque - I don't remember why I felt really really confident this was town. Something about arguing with std in good faith

interrupting this broadcast to ask why the scumteam isn't std/menalque? Not saying it is, just asking someone to remind me why, because paranoia. @ari? @skitter?

datisi and fire - I fought with both, both didn't like that. I tried to defuse things with both to not eat the thread. both didn't like that. I townread both for basically the same reasons - self-righteous anger and scumreading me for what *I* perceive to be mostly playstyle + Irrel-is-good-at-scum considerations
nk15 - Part of me thinks nk15 thinks he's solved the game and doesn't need to work. But like if this is town, I don't know how to reassure myself of that. So. Can't come in the coalition, sorry
malakittens - playing? or just popping in to pretend to play? The excuse for not playing could be valid but doesn't mean she's town, so again. Unreadable

[Irrelephant11]

Y'all. I didn't sign up for a coalition game just to play past day 1! We're solving this day 1! I say give it 12-24 more hours for mala or NK15 to magically town it up & for menalque/fire to get more townreads & for me to make sure std is town

[skitter30]

interrupting this broadcast to ask why the scumteam isn't std/menalque? Not saying it is, just asking someone to remind me why, because paranoia. @ari? @skitter?

uh i townread both? are you asking me why i townread them or why they can't be scum together?
i don't particularly have an answer for the latter

[Irrelephant11]

I don't know I guess I just had a flash of them being scum and being comfortable because they're nailing it and everyone else flailing because we're not

[skitter30]

fair
idk if scum-std votes partner-menta for 146 and i'm not sure that later becomes such a Thing if that's the scumteam

[Irrelephant11]

me, you, datisi, and fire all seem different amount of distressed because we're struggling and feeling like ahhhh maybe a scum is in the coalition i just can't decide who. ari a little bit, not as much, but is also feeling the brain melt

and std and menalque are like
"well I dunno I don't see it how you see it that's too bad huh" with each other and shrugging and moving along

I do townread both for tonal reasons and townread std for the coalitions he's suggested at various points and overall don't think either is the most scummy player here but it just came to me and I need talked out of it for a sec

pedit but are those posts just really dumb scum theater? Sorry not to make this about my paranoia, this will be the last I mention it today

[skitter30]

fair enuf. it isn't really clearing, but that's the best thing i can think of
also mena has been consistently sr'ing std and seems wary about adding him to the coalition which seems sort of counter-productive as partners here

[Irrelephant11]

oh no i hope she's OK!!!

Oh also I forgot to respond but she's alright! Putting ice on it and trying to rest, etc. Just makes having toddlers become... complicated

[Irrelephant11]

okay my paranoia moment is over I've decided I'm probably just being dumb and the issue is not that they're scum it's just that they're not in the thread.................. probably

[Irrelephant11]

fire if you could take one person out of my coalition (datisi, aristeia, skitter, std, menalque) who would it be. And if you could take out two who would it be? In theory this would be to put you or you+me in

[Save The Dragons]

you guys move fast i don't think i'm trying to fade into the background or anything but i'm not always on when you guys are talking to each other

[Save The Dragons]

trying to wrap my head around new fire posts

[Save The Dragons]

i mean maybe i don't like that the read on me hasn't evolved into a tr

but i am a little bothered it was just scum right out of the gate and it hasn't changed at all despite me trying my best

[Aristeia]

i'd ideally probably want some more time to ruminate but given that we're running low on time given everything we need to do i'm leaning towards me/dats/irrel/std/mena

what do you feel about this coalition skitter has proposed?

[Save The Dragons]

std:

ok i haven't really played much with std but i did meta read a bunch of games when i was trying to sort him in large 238 d1. i felt like i got a decent feel for how he approaches games differently as town vs scum, and thought that he was likely scum that game, so that's why i TA checked him n1. unfortunately he was traitor so i got a false inno

i feel somewhat hesitant to even try to justify this read bc i don't think im going to explain it very well but whatever

basically i feel like there is a certain energy that he has when town, like he is generally excited to solve the game and also just... wants to be there. he usually has reads that it feels like he really cares about, or even if he doesn't exactly, he still is trying to work with people and help move the game forward

as scum he has fine read progressions and etc and still can joke around and whatnot but he lacks that town energy. he seems content to be a background character and pop up occasionally with a Good Post, and yet not really drive things. when i read posts that he makes as scum i picture him making a face and being like "ugh do i have to do this".

here is a recent scumgame that i feel is illustrative:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... lect[]=629
and a towngame:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13237692

these were just the first ones i saw but i think p much any of them would fit imo

i think his iso this game looks way closer to his usual scumgame. ive thought that since like his first 3 posts so maybe im confbiased idk, and maybe he's just lacking energy due to non-alignment-related reasons, but idk its still the read i have

if anyone who has played with him more than me thinks that this take is way off then im willing to reconsider

i dunno if i'd pick that town game because mech was a pretty big part of it and coalition you have to look at day play but i guess i can see the jokiness

i don't know what "town energy" i'm not displaying

i can't really refute this. i mean i dunno what to say other than it's incorrect

i also said the word testicle in my scum game but haven't said it here. not really relevant just thought i'd share

[Save The Dragons]

i'd ideally probably want some more time to ruminate but given that we're running low on time given everything we need to do i'm leaning towards me/dats/irrel/std/mena

what do you feel about this coalition skitter has proposed?

i could do that

[Aristeia]

I mean like do you townread everyone in that coalition?

would you be excited to get it passed?

would you be ok getting yeeted off the face of the earth if it didn't pass?

you know important things.

also you can sheep her if you would like to get things moving

[Save The Dragons]

gth solve is fire/mala with fire trying to get in and mala trying (or at least willing) to stay out

im nervous because i feel like i could be wrong about that but i would probably take any coalition without them at this point (probably not nk15 tho)

[Save The Dragons]

I mean like do you townread everyone in that coalition?

yeaas?

would you be excited to get it passed?

i'd be okay with it yeah i dunno if excited is the right word

would you be ok getting yeeted off the face of the earth if it didn't pass?

i'm never okay getting yeeted

also you can sheep her if you would like to get things moving

i kinda want to see where irrel is at because it sounds potentially viable for him

[Ydrasse]

VOTECOUNT 1.2

Datisi [5]:

Datisi, Aristeia, skitter30, Menalque, Irrelephant11
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skitter30 [5]:

Menalque, Save the Dragons, Irrelephant11, skitter30, Datisi
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Irrelephant11 [5]:

skitter30, Save the Dragons, Menalque, Datisi, Aristeia
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Save the Dragons [5]:

Menalque, Save the Dragons, Aristeia, Datisi, Irrelephant11
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fireisredsir [5]:

fireisredsir, skitter30, Not Known 15, Datisi, Menalque
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Not Known 15 [5]:

Menalque, Not Known 15, skitter30, fireisredsir, Irrelephant11
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Malakittens [3]:

skitter30, Datisi, Aristeia
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Menalque [3]:

Menalque, Irrelephant11, Datisi
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Not Voting [1]:

Aristeia

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to form a coalition!

The deadline is in (expired on 2022-05-14 22:40:33).

MOD NOTES

- sorry if this is out of order/unable to be parsed/flat out wrong, i'll sort it better tomorrow if requested. i am tired and have to do these by hand >_<. again.

- i am not counting votes to eliminate that are made today.

[Save The Dragons]

or maybe i was secretly waiting for a vc to copy paste
HURT: all
HEAL: Menalque, Save the Dragons, Irrelephant11, skitter30, Datisi