Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[skitter30]

Datisi [5]: Datisi, Aristeia, skitter30, Menalque, Irrelephant11

So if i'm reading this right thus is the leading coalition?

Pedit oh now mine is tied with that i guess

[Aristeia]

well you have 2 votes for yours now

if irrel switches (he should since his coalition is just yours with me instead of himself) that would make three.

I guess we can see where Datisi is at tomm and if he's ok with it I can hammer

[Aristeia]

I think only difference between Datisi's coalition and yours is that he has me instead of SaveTD ?

[fireisredsir]

fire if you could take one person out of my coalition (datisi, aristeia, skitter, std, menalque) who would it be. And if you could take out two who would it be? In theory this would be to put you or you+me in

std, after that would probably be ari

[fireisredsir]

i mean maybe i don't like that the read on me hasn't evolved into a tr

but i am a little bothered it was just scum right out of the gate and it hasn't changed at all despite me trying my best

ik sorry i really have considered at multiple points if my read is wrong but i still feel it. and i know there isn't really much for you to push back against or refute which is part of why i haven't really been pushing it. ig if you're town just keep doing you and maybe someday I'll see it

[fireisredsir]

on coalitions i am okay with skitter's even tho its not my favorite. i also imagine that everyone will be ok (unless it really is just nk/mala) with it bc i don't think its right

[fireisredsir]

Datisi [5]: Datisi, Aristeia, skitter30, Menalque, Irrelephant11

i think i like this one more atm but its not a big difference

[Aristeia]

i asked mod and she said deadline is just for the coalition portion so we can take the full 7 days bless.

[fireisredsir]

oh thats huge actually

[Menalque]

I kinda think scum is in fire, mala, nk15
Which kinda makes me think i have to include one of ari/dats

would like greater explanation of this please

Which bit? I see no strong reason to townread fire/mala/nk15. That's 3 players, with 6 remaining. If i exclude those 3 i need to include one of ari/dats to get to 5

(And my current coalition i think is exactly pl - fire/mala/nk15 - ari/dats)

So it’s PoE rather than actively scumreading them?

[Aristeia]

talk to me mena

what do you want for the coalition rn?

[Aristeia]

I feel more uncertain than I have been

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats<3

how much do you want me in your coalition? I promise that I am town but I think I might be able to exert more influence off-coalition if there is a failure and I really don't feel comfortable getting pushed for having a good scum game.

[Datisi]

I promise that I am town but I think I might be able to exert more influence off-coalition if there is a failure and I really don't feel comfortable getting pushed for having a good scum game.

:<

from my experience playing and modding this setup, i feel like it's much more +ev for town to just add people who are town into the coalition rather than try to calculate an optimal coalition for solving the game for if/when it fails.

assuming me/skitt/mena/irrel will be 4/5, then it's a question who else to put in. say i can't put you in. mala and nk15 are out of the question. so it's between std and fire. looking at the vc last page, nobody is healing fire except for fire, and maybe i'm doing the same thing i did last game where town was just about to vote out scum!ceph and i tried to stop them because ??? because it would make sense for scum!fire to step on the gas if he's about to lose, but...

idk i didn't like the way std came around to a townread on me when i was starting to become a more popular townread while not engaging much with my points against him and bleh. if the majority of the game won't be changing their mind about possibly putting fire in rather than std (i say possibly because i haven't yet read fire's posts in depth to determine whether i actually wanna do that) then i'll vote ari out and vote std in because i don't have the time nor the energy to try to brute force things i myself am not sure about and that might be wrong.

but like, if there's a possibility that happens (i saw irrel talking about coming around to a townread on fire) and considering we'll get another 7 days after the coalition fails (assuming ari isn't lying about that because lol?) i think we can afford a day or two to just look at that possibility.

[Irrelephant11]

i asked mod and she said deadline is just for the coalition portion so we can take the full 7 days bless.

Let’s take the time, good coalitions are easier to find with more time imo

[skitter30]

i asked mod and she said deadline is just for the coalition portion so we can take the full 7 days bless. :)

Oh yay

HURT: dats

[skitter30]

I kinda think scum is in fire, mala, nk15
Which kinda makes me think i have to include one of ari/dats

would like greater explanation of this please

Which bit? I see no strong reason to townread fire/mala/nk15. That's 3 players, with 6 remaining. If i exclude those 3 i need to include one of ari/dats to get to 5

(And my current coalition i think is exactly pl - fire/mala/nk15 - ari/dats)

So it’s PoE rather than actively scumreading them?

I guess yeah

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: for Dats<3

I promise that I am town but I think I might be able to exert more influence off-coalition if there is a failure and I really don't feel comfortable getting pushed for having a good scum game.

:<

from my experience playing and modding this setup, i feel like it's much more +ev for town to just add people who are town into the coalition rather than try to calculate an optimal coalition for solving the game for if/when it fails.

assuming me/skitt/mena/irrel will be 4/5, then it's a question who else to put in. say i can't put you in. mala and nk15 are out of the question. so it's between std and fire. looking at the vc last page, nobody is healing fire except for fire, and maybe i'm doing the same thing i did last game where town was just about to vote out scum!ceph and i tried to stop them because ??? because it would make sense for scum!fire to step on the gas if he's about to lose, but...

idk i didn't like the way std came around to a townread on me when i was starting to become a more popular townread while not engaging much with my points against him and bleh. if the majority of the game won't be changing their mind about possibly putting fire in rather than std (i say possibly because i haven't yet read fire's posts in depth to determine whether i actually wanna do that) then i'll vote ari out and vote std in because i don't have the time nor the energy to try to brute force things i myself am not sure about and that might be wrong.

but like, if there's a possibility that happens (i saw irrel talking about coming around to a townread on fire) and considering we'll get another 7 days after the coalition fails (assuming ari isn't lying about that because lol?) i think we can afford a day or two to just look at that possibility.

you are adorbs dats

I'll tell you something about this postgame <3

[skitter30]

Ahhhhhhhh paranoia setting in!

[Irrelephant11]

I slept on it and my townread on fire is back to a nullread. While I think it's possible to have scumreads of both me and std (indeed, unless the team is datisi/fire, then at least one townie has scumreads on both of us) I also think fire is showing the closest thing to a desperate scum trying to shove a townie, any townie, out of the coalition.

I guess another way to say it is I think as someone who isn't me I would be pretty sure fire/dragons/me has a scum, and as me I think that means fire/dragons probably has a scum, and I need to reread to decide if that's definitely true and which one it might be

[Irrelephant11]

Ahhhhhhhh paranoia setting in!

If it's not about me, I can maybe help

After this post I obviously can't say "paranoia is a towntell" anymore because everyone will have seen this post but tbh paranoia is a towntell in this setup

[Datisi]

im paranoid

[Datisi]

irrel, eli5 how the second paragraph in 644 follows from the first?

[Irrelephant11]

im paranoid

towntell

[Irrelephant11]

If dragons and I are both town, then I think it's easy to see how fire's actions could be very scum-motivated. The push needs to be hard and fast to get one or both of us out of the coalition

But if dragons is scum, fire has a good read (that either I or std is scum) and I'm just mad at him for thinking it might be me and struggling to get over myself and see that it's dragons