Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[Irrelephant11]

and because one of them agrees with most of my reads and the other thinks I'm the scummiest in the playerlist, I feel fire is more likely scum, but that I am probably also suffering from bias, therefore a reread is necessary to try to get over my emotions

[Menalque]

I am always and forever paranoid, but think it's actively unhelpful to indulge it for the sake of it -- I also think that unless it's rooted in specifics, it's not that helpful to bring up, as it gives scum an idea of the fault lines to attack if town is cohering (and in this setup, if a coalition is actually good)

[Datisi]

If dragons and I are both town, then I think it's easy to see how fire's actions could be very scum-motivated. The push needs to be hard and fast to get one or both of us out of the coalition

But if dragons is scum, fire has a good read (that either I or std is scum) and I'm just mad at him for thinking it might be me and struggling to get over myself and see that it's dragons

i feel like this train of thought has multiple issues, but i don't think it makes you scum and the end result if it is probably you helping with pushing the coalition i want so

thank you carry on

[skitter30]

Yeah i'm not sure it *helps* to dive deep into the paranoia, but i'm certainly feeling it, abt one person in particular

[skitter30]

Honestly irrel ig my biggest issue with the scum-fire theory is: well, why?
If we assume he's scum, he's not really trying to replace your slot in the coalition with himself, ot even really anybody controversial as far as i can tell, so what's he getting out of this?

[Irrelephant11]

Ugh true that was why I townread him last night

[Irrelephant11]

I guess if I have to give a scumcase still it’s “hopes he gets in by way of pushing two townies out”
But I guess if he’s scum it’s with, like… menalque or something

[Irrelephant11]

Y’all ever do one of those logic puzzles where you have a big grid and put an x in each square that’s *not* the answer until all that’s left is the answer? I loved those. If I can figure out how to perform it maybe I’ll do it to see what scum teams I can rule out

[Irrelephant11]

*how to format it

[Irrelephant11]

I am always and forever paranoid, but think it's actively unhelpful to indulge it for the sake of it -- I also think that unless it's rooted in specifics, it's not that helpful to bring up, as it gives scum an idea of the fault lines to attack if town is cohering (and in this setup, if a coalition is actually good)

Can you decide on std’s alignment please
Also on aristeia’s? That would be v helpful thank you

[Irrelephant11]

I can’t imagine a NK15/mala team just quit. I can imagine one is scum with a widely townread player. If I assume it’s not fire for the reasons above, I feel like by the same token it’s less likely to be Aristeia (wants to be outside the coalition for a weird reason). Leaving skitter/datisi/std/Menalque to have the scum playing the “I’ll get in the coalition” role

[skitter30]

Yes in my mind the game is like either:
1. That easy and its just 2 of nk/mala/fire
2. We're townreading scum

And idk which

[Irrelephant11]

Why don’t you think ari is town again?

Also how do you feel about one of us towncasing std/Menalque and the other scumcasing them both? Or we each do one of each, whatever, I just think they’re the two most likely to be in a blind spot for me

[Irrelephant11]

If Datisi/ari has exactly one scum the other has to be wrong, because they townread each other. Why is Datisi less likely to read ari right than you?

[Menalque]

Yeah i'm not sure it *helps* to dive deep into the paranoia, but i'm certainly feeling it, abt one person in particular

[Menalque]

I am always and forever paranoid, but think it's actively unhelpful to indulge it for the sake of it -- I also think that unless it's rooted in specifics, it's not that helpful to bring up, as it gives scum an idea of the fault lines to attack if town is cohering (and in this setup, if a coalition is actually good)

Can you decide on std’s alignment please
Also on aristeia’s? That would be v helpful thank you

Ari I just don't think I've seen enough from overall to be in any way confident – if I absolutely had to, lean town UNLESS fire is scum in which case she's scum

StD I just need to sit down and read properly, let me see if I'm likely to have time before deadline

[Menalque]

okay, yeah, I should do but it might not be until Friday

[Irrelephant11]

What makes you see an ari/fire team? Neither are in Skitter’s coalition which is tied for most popular, and both seem kinda unphased

[fireisredsir]

Ari I just don't think I've seen enough from overall to be in any way confident – if I absolutely had to, lean town UNLESS fire is scum in which case she's scum

im curious if you have a convincing reason for this (more for the "not with anyone else" part) bc if you do then that would also be helpful for me

[Menalque]

I'll explain it if I have to but kinda don't want to unless needed because I think I'm at a point where my reads on Ari are actually quite decent and I don't want to make it really hard again

[Irrelephant11]

I'll explain it if I have to but kinda don't want to unless needed because I think I'm at a point where my reads on Ari are actually quite decent and I don't want to make it really hard again

What?

[Menalque]

suffice to say there's a certain pattern of interaction there that I think would be telling if fire!scum

[Menalque]

I'll explain it if I have to but kinda don't want to unless needed because I think I'm at a point where my reads on Ari are actually quite decent and I don't want to make it really hard again

What?

is this a "what the fuck are you on about" what or a "I do not understand what you just said" what?

[Irrelephant11]

The latter

[Menalque]

I have, I think, maybe, something similar to a tell for Ari

That is what my fire-ari SR is based on

If I explain it, then Ari will know what said tell is, and will be able to adapt in future to make it worthless, thus making it hard for me to consistently read her again

If I come to the conclusion that Ari is scum and needs to die, then I'd prefer to only out the tell as a last resort for getting her killed in order to conserve it