Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[Aristeia]

you do understand if this coalition fails skitter is going to eat you right?

if the coalition fails and she wants to do that, she's gonna have to drag me to that yeetotine kicking and screaming so good luck with that i guess

[Datisi]

i don't make false promises, ari :<

i'm not 100% on it and i couldn't stand to lie to you

[Aristeia]

nothing is 100% tho

I would've known what you meant

[Irrelephant11]

Datisi who’s std’s partner if you’re not so sure he’s town?

[Irrelephant11]

*potential partner, not asking for a scumcase, etc

[skitter30]

he probably? is viable, since i feel like everyone townreads him other than me mena and maybe mala

also expected but don't plan on that

pedit: about 85% i think?

I mean fair enuf, i'm just sharing where my suspicions would fall in thay universe

Also if it failed we'd get more time over the weekend hopefully and i could sort out my read on u properly

@ari why not std?

[Aristeia]

My thoughts about Dats:

[The Cute Guy with Green Hair and an Adorable Hat]



I've played 8 games with Datisi, 1 game that he modded, and 1 game we've hydra'd together.

This would make game #9.

One thing that seems to always happen is that this adorable green haired man always manages to scumread me in some convoluted manner[without fail!] [even when he was mafia!] <he thought I was his traitor, he's cute I know>

So I was surprised to find that he figured out I was town relatively early this game; 138.

It's kind of what I want to happen - but it's also like "Wait a second is this too good to be true? How does Dats figure out your alignment that quickly? You're not like that obvtown yet - you were way more obvtown in other games and he was still scumreading you right up till you flipped town so like uh what's going on here"

Now that's a very toxic path of thought to go down for me because it puts into conflict two things I want

A: Dats reads me as town correctly.

B: I get ridiculously paranoid about Dats townreading me correctly.

and like I want him to get better at reading me and being right - I don't want him to think oh I have to fake paranoia or extend a thought process in dealing with her just to get her to townread me. Like I don't want to be needy and ridiculously difficult to make happy - that's not a good feeling.

So like I kind of just slotted him in as town because paranoid thoughts are bad for me and I'd rather think happy thoughts like "Dats is getting better at reading me and he is going to carry me to a win this game because he is amazing"


So I'm going to evaluate his gameplay on the basis of things that have nothing to do with me because I think it would be quite awful for me to scumread him for townreading me and it leads me down a bad rabbit hole. [Also I really like the feeling of being townread by Dats and I don't want him to not townread me in the future just because it makes me think he's pocketing me. I like being pocketed, I am human]


I like his thread presence - he feels like he actively wants to be here (yes I know it's not a very good way to read people but like compared to Spring Fling - I feel like he is a lot more proactive about being in the thread and actually interacting/solving people rather than just going through the motions)

I like his tone - he just feels comfortable and not at all like he's stressed (this is ironic because datisi's townstress is very obvtown and his paranoia is fun to read).

I like the trajectories he's following on each player - they kind of make sense and he takes turns and pays attention to details that I sometimes just skim over.

Lastly I really do like that he keeps trying to pull me into the coalition with him[not just because I want to flirt with him]

I think he knows I'm very hard to mis-eliminate so putting me into a coalition really is limiting his own mislim opportunities and making it harder for himself post-coalition failure and I'm not sure why he would want to do that? It really does feel like he wants a coalition that will work.

Maybe I'm just like super pocketed cuz I'm dumb but I really do want to believe he's town here :<

[Aristeia]

@ari why not std?

I am sheeping Dats because in the world where we have to kill him I want him to have a chance to win for us

[Aristeia]

I don't have any solid reason to suspect STD - I just trust Datisi more at this point.

[Irrelephant11]

I townread ari more than datisi/think datisi is more likey to be/more capable of pocketing ari than the other way around
Fire/menalque feel like my potential blindspots
Rereading menalque frantically so skitter and I can agree on a coalition before she can’t play anymore (I also might not be around at deadline)

[Datisi]

Datisi who’s std’s partner if you’re not so sure he’s town?

*potential partner, not asking for a scumcase, etc

spending about 15 seconds on it, i'd say mala because the "hey, std that all of you townread is Scum, Actually" into "actually nvm i guess he's maybe town lol idk" is weird and has a clear scum motive if she's scum with std for distancing then panicking that he might not even get into the coalition

i'm awful at d1 preflip, especially for people that i don't even have a Strong Scumread on

[Irrelephant11]

Fair, just trying to get you to consider that a scumread on std might not make sense if you’re townreading his potential partners (a la fire’ good point that ari could only really be scum with towny players)

[Datisi]

that's understandable, but i don't think i've seen a lot of interaction that made me think "wow, std is probably not scum with these many players"

which like, i wish i could reliably point out so many interactions that are Not SvS but uh i am not that good

[Irrelephant11]

Can you quickly browse his ISO with my towncase summary in mind? Time’s running out thank u

[Irrelephant11]

Can you quickly browse his ISO with my towncase summary in mind? Time’s running out thank u


Alright I’ve really been trying to be a team player but here’s a list I have confidence in and I think y’all should sheep me, here’s why:
Me <- not arguing my own towniness again, lmk if this is your issue
StD <- I don’t see a world where scum and I have all the same thoughts for an entire phase, I think my townread is stronger than datisi’s “ehhh I don’t see it” read. See previous towncases
Skitter <- Is her current play something she could manage to do as scum? Yes. Would she play this out as a paranoia-filled, somewhat frantic, changing her mind a bunch of times chaotic player when the end result includes her and wins the phase as scum regardless? Doubt it. Scum-her could sheep and amplify… any of us really and kill the coalition so I think she’d do that instead.
Aristeia <- has played kind of a slick game in terms of keeping her hands relatively clean, but I would be pretty surprised at her/datisi scumteam, and fire’s point that she’s probably only scum with someone else widely townread is good reason to include her. I can pull some posts I thought made her pretty towny att if need be
Datisi – I think he’s made multiple cases on other slots that come from town, I agree with aristeia that him pulling ari into coalitions is townish (because the 1v1 later would be hard). Reads move around a lot in a townie-doing-sorting way, doesn’t read as super aligned with nk or mala (nobody is really like, *cleared* from being nk or mala’s partner but datisi’s got a couple unaligned moments with each, and both of them are suggesting datisi/ari scum cases).

Scum possibilities:
Menalque – I’ve just decided I think menalque is scum. I’m not sure anything in this ISO shows deep thought except a townread on me. Multiple times he does a “mm maybe I’ll explain later” and if/when “later” comes, the answer kinda sucks. I was mostly townreading menalque for tone and confidence but I think it’s a bad ISO in reread. Reads came reallllly slow to menalque this game & I think that’s kind of unreasonable, there was lots to read into by like, page 3. Tons of questions that don’t seem to go anywhere, and multiple instances of seeming to be more interested in “why are you paranoid of ____” than in, you know, sorting anyone.
Fireisredsir – I think he’s town, if I had to guess, but I also think there’s some reasons to scumread him. Most of my read on fire is based on how he’s treated std/me slots, and when I thought about it deeply I thought it could definitely come from town. We could theoretically make sense as a team, looking from the outside, though definitely a bold team to just loudly agree on almost everything. But my main reason to keep fire out of the coalition upon further reflection is that I think his reads have been shockingly stable. I think this is a scumtell in most mafia games because scum want to be read as internally consistent, so when they get accused of scumreading someone opportunistically (for example) they can point to earlier posts and say “see! I’ve always thought this! therefore I’m not making it up and it’s real”… but like, townies usually change their mind a lot, especially in this setup. So I think it’s scum-indicative that the reads haven’t changed really all game. But like… towniest of the four I’m leaving out
Nk/mala – sorry if you’re town, I don’t think I could realistically get to a townread on you this phase

[fireisredsir]

a few things about 1056

1) it's really cute

2) i think its really unlikely actually that datisi would townread you in this game relatively easily as scum if he has scumread you in like every previous game. cause i think that scumtisi can be quite neurotic about that sort of thing and tbh his townread feels a little lazy in a way that i think he would just not really be brave enough to do as scum. maybe i am underestimating the level of big brain play he could pull off but idk there's just so many ways it could backfire that it doesn't seem worth it. he does like to play up his paranoia since he knows it gets him townread, you may be suspicious of an easy townread (and you'll probably townread him either way), others may see it as pockety/partnery/etc, so there's like no benefit to the path he's taken

3) i guess there is a world where you are partners maybe but again i cannot really imagine this would be the path you would have chosen to take

4) so basically i kinda want you both in @skitter pls

[Irrelephant11]

I did the word document formatting fail again, sorry for big blocks of text!

[Irrelephant11]

I could put fire in instead of std if I’m shouted down by enough people. Fire would at least have earned it by way of effort

[skitter30]

I think he knows I'm very hard to mis-eliminate so putting me into a coalition really is limiting his own mislim opportunities and making it harder for himself post-coalition failure and I'm not sure why he would want to do that? It really does feel like he wants a coalition that will work.

Ty for writing that all out, i appreciate it

I think the above is a cogent point + there's quite a lot of depth/nuance here that i had to ask for (i.e. it doesnt seem like a read that you made up to share to look Nuanced, its more just something internally that youu were wresting with that you shared when i asked), which makes me think its more likely real

[skitter30]

I townread ari more than datisi/think datisi is more likey to be/more capable of pocketing ari than the other way around
Fire/menalque feel like my potential blindspots
Rereading menalque frantically so skitter and I can agree on a coalition before she can’t play anymore (I also might not be around at deadline)

No, no, its def the other way around imo

~
I'm kinda sus of ari/dats s/s but am not as worried about tvs anymore

Hopefully its tvt but like if it fails that's where i'm looking

I guess i can take out mena for std but i think that's less likely to be viable than the one with mena in it?

[Irrelephant11]

HURT: all
HEAL: me
Skitter
Datisi
Aristeia
Save the dragons

[skitter30]

2) i think its really unlikely actually that datisi would townread you in this game relatively easily as scum if he has scumread you in like every previous game. cause i think that scumtisi can be quite neurotic about that sort of thing and tbh his townread feels a little lazy in a way that i think he would just not really be brave enough to do as scum.

Good point too

[Irrelephant11]

Not sure what’s towny about menalque anymore

[skitter30]

HURT: all
HEAL: me, ari, dats, irrel, std

[skitter30]

Not sure what’s towny about menalque anymore

Fair. He had a few takes that i dont think he does as scum tho