Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!


Forum rules
User avatar
skitter30
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
User avatar
User avatar
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
Last Laugh
Posts: 32951
Joined: March 26, 2017
Pronoun: she/her
Location: Est

Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:52 am

Post by skitter30 »

In post 978, skitter30 wrote:
In post 970, Datisi wrote:but i'd usually get a vibe when he's being actively manipulative and trying to get things his way, and i just don't get that feeling right now
Oh this does a much better job explaining how i feel abt mena than what i jusf said!

(Hoping he hasnt learned to pocket us in his hiatus >.>)
Show
Hiatus once more.

'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me

'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me

'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA

'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
User avatar
fireisredsir
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 4352
Joined: January 25, 2022

Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:52 am

Post by fireisredsir »

i think the argument that mena would be trying to control the game or have a presence slightly more unless he actually planned to be left out is a good one
User avatar
Irrelephant11
Irrelephant11
He
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Irrelephant11
He
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6268
Joined: April 9, 2018
Pronoun: He
Location: My dog's eyes

Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:54 am

Post by Irrelephant11 »

Menalque has only posted more than nk15 and malakittens, numerically. Fun fact

I think the argument that mena would post more as scum if anyone had ever scumread him and didn’t post more because everybody townread him without needing to do extra work nearly nullifies that. Like he may not have been manipulative because he was seemingly a sure bet for the coalition
Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
User avatar
fireisredsir
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 4352
Joined: January 25, 2022

Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:55 am

Post by fireisredsir »

In post 1073, skitter30 wrote:HURT: all
HEAL: me, ari, dats, irrel, std
i am ok with this, like ideal world for me would have me in for one of irrel/std and maaaaybe mena for the other one but eh its ok
User avatar
fireisredsir
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 4352
Joined: January 25, 2022

Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:56 am

Post by fireisredsir »

In post 1077, Irrelephant11 wrote:Menalque has only posted more than nk15 and malakittens, numerically. Fun fact

I think the argument that mena would post more as scum if anyone had ever scumread him and didn’t post more because everybody townread him without needing to do extra work nearly nullifies that. Like he may not have been manipulative because he was seemingly a sure bet for the coalition
getting in the coalition doesn't end the game tho, i think that he would have had to work harder to keep up with people towning it up in order to go the distance
User avatar
skitter30
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
User avatar
User avatar
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
Last Laugh
Posts: 32951
Joined: March 26, 2017
Pronoun: she/her
Location: Est

Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:56 am

Post by skitter30 »

Tbf i did play in his last-scumgame where he basically got repped out for inactivity and for large portions od the game wasnt doing much

But he was also *trying* a lot more (fake guilty on his partner!)
And appealed to me a lot wrt wagons

Here he's kinda doing his own thing and just being v opinionated even if its kinda detached from everything else

I really do think that unless its like exactly mala/mk we're going wronf somewhere ....
Show
Hiatus once more.

'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me

'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me

'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA

'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
User avatar
skitter30
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
User avatar
User avatar
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
Last Laugh
Posts: 32951
Joined: March 26, 2017
Pronoun: she/her
Location: Est

Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:57 am

Post by skitter30 »

Trying more when he was present, is what i meant to say
Show
Hiatus once more.

'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me

'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me

'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA

'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
User avatar
Irrelephant11
Irrelephant11
He
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Irrelephant11
He
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6268
Joined: April 9, 2018
Pronoun: He
Location: My dog's eyes

Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:57 am

Post by Irrelephant11 »

In post 1079, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 1077, Irrelephant11 wrote:Menalque has only posted more than nk15 and malakittens, numerically. Fun fact

I think the argument that mena would post more as scum if anyone had ever scumread him and didn’t post more because everybody townread him without needing to do extra work nearly nullifies that. Like he may not have been manipulative because he was seemingly a sure bet for the coalition
getting in the coalition doesn't end the game tho, i think that he would have had to work harder to keep up with people towning it up in order to go the distance
Oh yeah
Still, I don’t think “isn’t playing hard, therefore town” is good logic in any setup
Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
User avatar
skitter30
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
User avatar
User avatar
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
Last Laugh
Posts: 32951
Joined: March 26, 2017
Pronoun: she/her
Location: Est

Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:58 am

Post by skitter30 »

I kinda do want mena in ngl
Maybe even over irrel

Ugh
Show
Hiatus once more.

'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me

'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me

'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA

'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
User avatar
fireisredsir
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 4352
Joined: January 25, 2022

Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 4:59 am

Post by fireisredsir »

idk if the conclusion is "therefore town", exactly, since i think he would get eliminated before elo in that scenario

it's more "therefore prob not most likely to be scum who wanted to be in the coalition"
User avatar
fireisredsir
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
fireisredsir
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 4352
Joined: January 25, 2022

Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:01 am

Post by fireisredsir »

In post 1080, skitter30 wrote:I really do think that unless its like exactly mala/mk we're going wronf somewhere ....
full disclosure this made me want to convince you of irrel/std and then that made me paranoid that you said it in order to make me want to convince you

not a lasting paranoia but still

can you explain more of your thought process when you said this

it would make me feel better
User avatar
Datisi
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
User avatar
User avatar
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
Drawn from Memory
Posts: 23603
Joined: March 28, 2019
Pronoun: he/him, it/its
Location: Croatia

Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:05 am

Post by Datisi »

In post 1063, Irrelephant11 wrote:Can you quickly browse his ISO with my towncase summary in mind? Time’s running out thank u
uuuuuugh i guess i can i wish i wasn't so sleep deprived yesterday

+1 to saying that mena is town and nothing has changed my opinion since yesterday

i could write stuff about it but i wish there was a way to transfer my experience with mena to you to know why i think he's town because i feel like i'm gonna sound like a tinfoily nut if i try to explain it otherwise
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
~M
User avatar
Datisi
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
User avatar
User avatar
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
Drawn from Memory
Posts: 23603
Joined: March 28, 2019
Pronoun: he/him, it/its
Location: Croatia

Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:07 am

Post by Datisi »

In post 1086, Datisi wrote:i wasn't so sleep deprived yesterday
this sentence makes no sense you know what i mean

in other news i think is a townie post for an extremely stupid reason
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
~M
User avatar
skitter30
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
User avatar
User avatar
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
Last Laugh
Posts: 32951
Joined: March 26, 2017
Pronoun: she/her
Location: Est

Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:09 am

Post by skitter30 »

In post 1085, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 1080, skitter30 wrote:I really do think that unless its like exactly mala/mk we're going wronf somewhere ....
full disclosure this made me want to convince you of irrel/std and then that made me paranoid that you said it in order to make me want to convince you

not a lasting paranoia but still

can you explain more of your thought process when you said this

it would make me feel better
If we assume i'm ok with puttinf in ari/dats
There's 7 people i'm ok+ with being in the coalition
Which seems kinda ? To me and makes me wonder if it can really be that easy

So yeah
Is mena really that unviable?
Me/ari/dats/mena/irrel?
Show
Hiatus once more.

'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me

'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me

'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA

'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
User avatar
Irrelephant11
Irrelephant11
He
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Irrelephant11
He
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6268
Joined: April 9, 2018
Pronoun: He
Location: My dog's eyes

Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:11 am

Post by Irrelephant11 »

If you want my vote you need a stronger towncase on menalque
Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
User avatar
Aristeia
Aristeia
she/her
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Aristeia
she/her
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6037
Joined: July 17, 2021
Pronoun: she/her

Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:20 am

Post by Aristeia »

fwiw i do think mena is more townie than STD atp
User avatar
Save The Dragons
Save The Dragons
He/Him
Protection unnecessary
User avatar
User avatar
Save The Dragons
He/Him
Protection unnecessary
Protection unnecessary
Posts: 14907
Joined: April 26, 2004
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: WA, USA

Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:33 am

Post by Save The Dragons »

im around, just catching up for a sec
aka Fenrir
User avatar
Malakittens
Malakittens
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Malakittens
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 17270
Joined: June 5, 2012

Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:39 am

Post by Malakittens »

I want to bash my head against the wall reading 1056

It’s legit what I been telling ari about why I want to leave datisi out

Not bc I don’t trust her, but because I don’t trust one of them mqnjlupatjnf each other bc of the relationship
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.


Get to know a Mala~Grey<3 4.7.2015
User avatar
Datisi
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
User avatar
User avatar
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
Drawn from Memory
Posts: 23603
Joined: March 28, 2019
Pronoun: he/him, it/its
Location: Croatia

Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:41 am

Post by Datisi »

have you tried reading me yourself
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
~M
User avatar
skitter30
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
User avatar
User avatar
skitter30
she/her
Last Laugh
Last Laugh
Posts: 32951
Joined: March 26, 2017
Pronoun: she/her
Location: Est

Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:41 am

Post by skitter30 »

In post 1089, Irrelephant11 wrote:If you want my vote you need a stronger towncase on menalque
I feel like its a p decent reason to townread him at this point in his meta etc tbh

I still reallh want me/mena/irrel/std but alas we cannot all have the things we want
Show
Hiatus once more.

'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me

'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me

'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA

'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
User avatar
Malakittens
Malakittens
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Malakittens
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 17270
Joined: June 5, 2012

Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:44 am

Post by Malakittens »

Btw if one of them is scum and one is town or both are scum
I’ll never let any of you live that down

I’ll haunt u in your dreams
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.


Get to know a Mala~Grey<3 4.7.2015
User avatar
Datisi
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
User avatar
User avatar
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
Drawn from Memory
Posts: 23603
Joined: March 28, 2019
Pronoun: he/him, it/its
Location: Croatia

Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 5:57 am

Post by Datisi »

i'm gonna open the std iso and go through it and try to see what irrel sees and whatever else

is a post. i was annoyed at this post at the time because i felt like that is very much not what i said to aristeia. but in retrospect i can see why my post could be regarded as bad and i guess people sometimes exaggerate and sure.

ok gonna go check if std was faking joy in that game where he was my traitor (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go)

ok i read through the first ~60 posts these are the only "jokey" "having fun" posts i could find:
Spoiler:
In post 344, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 68, Yeet wrote:Save the Dragons is also town.
woo hoo!
In post 2669, Save The Dragons wrote:holy crap i thought i posted more in this game 22 posts wow i'm probably scum
In post 2769, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 2703, Cape90 wrote:not sure how much playing of mafia since 2008 has helped him, like come on, I was a literal child back then
i feel so old now
In post 3323, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 3318, Datisi wrote:if i had a dollar for every nonsense argument for why i'm scum that has been made this game, i'd have enough money to get a therapist to get me unaddicted from mafia
datisi is scum because mercury is in retrograde


(1) there are genuinely less than i remember, and (2) "i'm probably scum" and "datisi is scum because zodiac" are probably??? crumbs that i fucking missed because i was too tunnelled on the idea that ari is my traitor because i was not able to believe my shitty scumplay managed to actually fool her but uh anyways

point takes he does seem much more relaxed this game

ok i kinda forgot to write things during reading but i'm at right now and it's making me think that std might? be town because i'm weak for self-town-cases like that one

especially after i just read through a part of his scum iso and feeling like the vibes are different

also i'm not sure why scum!std keeps pestering malakittens to give her read of him and maybe change her mind when like, not like she is actually going to influence anyone

ok i need to take a break my attention span is running out

i guess the main thing that is changing my mind here is that his vibes do feel really different than they did in the scumgame i linked? like, i know one game does not meta make and that playying differently than one scumgame =/= being town, but that + the fact he wrote a kinda self meta case makes me wanna at least reconsider

i don't love the fact i don't feel much of like, idk cases and pushing but maybe i'm looking for something that won't exist either way and i'm gonna take a breather, see if i have any games of experience with town!std that would let me know if these vibes are Normal or Concerning, then i'm gonna like, walk through the mena iso again and see if i actually feel like i can put together a decent enough towncase in time

this is kind of depressing though because either i'm right on nk/mala/fire being 2/3 or i'm starting to / am townreading scum somewhere and i don't wanna do that
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
~M
User avatar
Save The Dragons
Save The Dragons
He/Him
Protection unnecessary
User avatar
User avatar
Save The Dragons
He/Him
Protection unnecessary
Protection unnecessary
Posts: 14907
Joined: April 26, 2004
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: WA, USA

Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 6:00 am

Post by Save The Dragons »

i'm starting to think maybe i need to be okay with a coalition without me in it which makes me sad

Menalque - i wish he posted more, i wish he was around now, we'll see but i've felt good about the slot but i'm also nervous because i feel like it's the slot i might mostly likely be wrong about but i'm willing to trust people if they say menalque is good

Not Known 15 - more like not in a coalition 15. but probably town so maybe it's okay to have them in a coalition?

Skitter30 - skitter seems pure i really want them in the coalition. i've liked their emotion, their solviness, i think this is town

fireisredsir - i dunno!!!! i'm waffling so hard on this, is it town is it scum, i think i'd probably choose to leave him off just because i'm so unsure. i really like some of their recent posting, it seems town, and i liked their energy in the beginning, but i hated the way he scumread me, and i didn't really agree with his read on irrel either. i think ari had some good points about his early play.

Datisi - i'm not really afraid of the flirting and i hear ari's argument that datisi tr her so early if he always scum reads her that's a little concerning for a pocket attempt. but he seems engaged and is not trying to take control of the thread in a way that seems like he's trying to solve and justify his reads. i don't think he was trying to get into the coalition in a way that seems town, not in a way that seems like scum hiding to let their partner get in

Aristeia - again i'm not afraid of the flirting, maybe afraid isn't the right word. anyway she seems genuine and i'm sure she could fool me but i trust my read and i think she is town here.

Irrelephant11 - i really don't get any suspicion here i feel like he's trying to lead the game and i've mindmelded so much with his thought process. i want him in the coalition.

Save the Dragons - that's me!

Malakittens - i'm actually worried the increased posting comes from a scummy desperate hail mary to try and get into a coalition but maybe i'm reading it wrong, either way i'm too concerned to let her in. maybe it's a little omgusy but i'm also not convinced of her scumread of me

my preferred pool is me and 4 of {skitter, irrelephant, aristeia, datisi} which is 4 so i guess that's a coalition. i could do menalque if people really believe but i don't think i could do a coalition that strays too far from what i've said.
aka Fenrir
Not Known 15
Not Known 15
Mafia Scum
Not Known 15
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3280
Joined: September 15, 2017

Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 6:16 am

Post by Not Known 15 »

In post 1097, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm starting to think maybe i need to be okay with a coalition without me in it which makes me sad

Menalque - i wish he posted more, i wish he was around now, we'll see but i've felt good about the slot but i'm also nervous because i feel like it's the slot i might mostly likely be wrong about but i'm willing to trust people if they say menalque is good

Not Known 15 - more like not in a coalition 15. but probably town so maybe it's okay to have them in a coalition?

Skitter30 - skitter seems pure i really want them in the coalition. i've liked their emotion, their solviness, i think this is town

fireisredsir - i dunno!!!! i'm waffling so hard on this, is it town is it scum, i think i'd probably choose to leave him off just because i'm so unsure. i really like some of their recent posting, it seems town, and i liked their energy in the beginning, but i hated the way he scumread me, and i didn't really agree with his read on irrel either. i think ari had some good points about his early play.

Datisi - i'm not really afraid of the flirting and i hear ari's argument that datisi tr her so early if he always scum reads her that's a little concerning for a pocket attempt. but he seems engaged and is not trying to take control of the thread in a way that seems like he's trying to solve and justify his reads. i don't think he was trying to get into the coalition in a way that seems town, not in a way that seems like scum hiding to let their partner get in

Aristeia - again i'm not afraid of the flirting, maybe afraid isn't the right word. anyway she seems genuine and i'm sure she could fool me but i trust my read and i think she is town here.

Irrelephant11 - i really don't get any suspicion here i feel like he's trying to lead the game and i've mindmelded so much with his thought process. i want him in the coalition.

Save the Dragons - that's me!

Malakittens - i'm actually worried the increased posting comes from a scummy desperate hail mary to try and get into a coalition but maybe i'm reading it wrong, either way i'm too concerned to let her in. maybe it's a little omgusy but i'm also not convinced of her scumread of me

my preferred pool is me and 4 of {skitter, irrelephant, aristeia, datisi} which is 4 so i guess that's a coalition. i could do menalque if people really believe but i don't think i could do a coalition that strays too far from what i've said.
In post 1078, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 1073, skitter30 wrote:HURT: all
HEAL: me, ari, dats, irrel, std
i am ok with this, like ideal world for me would have me in for one of irrel/std and maaaaybe mena for the other one but eh its ok
You realize that there are - at least - two votes on this already?
User avatar
Datisi
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
User avatar
User avatar
Datisi
he/him, it/its
Drawn from Memory
Drawn from Memory
Posts: 23603
Joined: March 28, 2019
Pronoun: he/him, it/its
Location: Croatia

Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Fri May 13, 2022 6:32 am

Post by Datisi »

In post 1097, Save The Dragons wrote:but he seems engaged and is not trying to take control of the thread in a way that seems like he's trying to solve and justify his reads. i don't think he was trying to get into the coalition in a way that seems town, not in a way that seems like scum hiding to let their partner get in
what does this part mean?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
~M
Locked