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[Save The Dragons]

am i absolutely crazy for thinking it could be menalque

[fireisredsir]

i don't have the brain for good thoughts rn but i really think its irrelephant

and i feel some amount of dread at the prospect of attempting to convince a sufficient number of people to agree with that

but ill try later

for now, only conclusions, no thoughts

VOTE: Irrelephant

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: menalque

[Save The Dragons]

i can't do irrelephant without a really good case

[fireisredsir]

ik and i think thats prob true for skitter too

mostly want to talk to datisi about it cause it felt like he had similar thoughts at first and then ended up at a townread somehow and im not sure why exactly

[Save The Dragons]

what are your thoughts on menalque

[fireisredsir]

zzz idk

was sheeping skitt and datisi on it and i kinda believe their points

but he would def be my 2nd choice after irrel but i also think irrel was intentionally flipping opinion on him late in the coalition phase bc he realized he didn't have a very good viable miselim set up and that menalque would do nicely

but maybe im just wrong on irrel and it is mena idk

[Datisi]

mostly want to talk to datisi about it cause it felt like he had similar thoughts at first and then ended up at a townread somehow and im not sure why exactly

hi did you call for me

as the game was progressing, i felt more and more that my reasons for scumreading irrel were personal nonsense rather than actual good reasons and that if i tried to look at it from a neutral perspective, i could feel he actually was moving the game forward and being active in trying to solve it. like i plan to at least double check my work there this day phase but yeah not my first choice within the coalition i guess?

if you want me to look at something specific or just wanna jam for a bit, i should be around for an hour or so before i go to bed

[fireisredsir]

i do think it is like 90% in [irrel, mena]

but i also like really hope it is bc if its any of the other 3 they are all scary and i do not feel confident in my ability to figure out which one is fooling me bc i have more or less convinced myself on all of them being town for various reasons

[Save The Dragons]

who is your first choice in the coalition, dats

[Datisi]

at this moment in time it's skitter, but i want to talk to her first

[fireisredsir]

as the game was progressing, i felt more and more that my reasons for scumreading irrel were personal nonsense rather than actual good reasons and that if i tried to look at it from a neutral perspective, i could feel he actually was moving the game forward and being active in trying to solve it. like i plan to at least double check my work there this day phase but yeah not my first choice within the coalition i guess?

i did feel like this at times which was why i ended up being ok with him being in bc i accepted i could just be wrong

but then when it failed, like... i don't really think it's anyone else?

idk i still think 427 is really scummy and im still surprised you don't, just the way he was kind of dodging your points and calling you town for making them instead is ew to me

i feel like he did an excellent reflective stepback on me in a way that seemed scummy

ugh see this is what i mean these points aren't even great how can i convince other people when i can't even explain why i think he's scum

[fireisredsir]

i mean rationally the takeaway here is probably that im wrong lol so i probably should either accept that or have a little more confidence in myself but oh well here we are

[Aristeia]

If it’s the latter, we can just agree now: neither you nor I will be in the coalition. If it’s the former, explain how I (the player who I would argue has done the most to move the game forward, but I digress) am scummier than malakittens, NK15, and your other scumread, Save the Dragons (who has the same reads as me but has done less to make the rest of the playerlist sortable).
If you’re town, sort out my alignment in discussion with skitter and menalque.

Pedit: HURT: all
HEAL: skitter
Save the dragons
Menalque
Datisi
Aristeia

I have issues with pushing Irrel because of this ^

This was essentially the same coalition that passed except with STD instead of Irrel.

So if Irrel is the lone scum in the coalition - he would have to be scum with exactly STD for this coalition that he's voting for without himself on it not to be like gamelosing right off the bat and like I'm not sure I see Irrel - STD as a scum team because of some of the things STD has said today about himself being on the same page with Irrel[which is like kind of mindboggling to do if you're S-S]

I haven't actually sat down and re-read everything yet; just kind of waiting for skitter to come back and talk to me about her push.

[fireisredsir]

and like I'm not sure I see Irrel - STD as a scum team because of some of the things STD has said today about himself being on the same page with Irrel[which is like kind of mindboggling to do if you're S-S]

i mean they did start saying that only after i already said i thought they were most likely to be partners with each other so to me it just looks like they were trying to damage control and make it look like one pocketed the other even tho idk if that really reflects the actual progression of things

[Datisi]

idk i still think 427 is really scummy and im still surprised you don't, just the way he was kind of dodging your points and calling you town for making them instead is ew to me

ehhh, i don't know. like, i get your point on that that post does feel kind of odd. like i can definitely feel like that post is more interested in how he's being read for things he did rather than what i actually think (i don't know how to word that better but it makes sense in my head dammit)

but i'm also not really sure that a Scummy thing to do since i can understand town doing something like that because town too does have motivation to get into the coalition

did you check if he does this in other games by any chance? i see you said you were going to

[Datisi]

hmm

that line from scum!irrel with no other scum in the coalition would only make sense if he was decently sure nobody would actually follow him on it. idk it lowkey feels like "vote me out today vote x out tomorrow" kinda thing if it's from scum - depending how hard he was being townread by everyone at that point... i'll think about it if/when i need to

[Aristeia]

and like I'm not sure I see Irrel - STD as a scum team because of some of the things STD has said today about himself being on the same page with Irrel[which is like kind of mindboggling to do if you're S-S]

i mean they did start saying that only after i already said i thought they were most likely to be partners with each other so to me it just looks like they were trying to damage control and make it look like one pocketed the other even tho idk if that really reflects the actual progression of things

I dunno I just rarely see 2 scum decide to say they townread each other because they vibe with each other's thoughts - it feels like too refuge in audacity for me to see as likely. I'll keep an eye out for it on my re-read.

[Aristeia]

Dats am I hopeless pocketed by you rn?

[fireisredsir]

did you check if he does this in other games by any chance? i see you said you were going to

only to the extent where i felt he was not out of his scumrange and that he does like to effort and be in control of things as scum, i didn't like do an in depth comparison between town and scum looking for tells

mostly cause its p stale meta since he hasn't played much in like years

[Datisi]

Dats am I hopeless pocketed by you rn?

obviously <3

[fireisredsir]

hmm

that line from scum!irrel with no other scum in the coalition would only make sense if he was decently sure nobody would actually follow him on it. idk it lowkey feels like "vote me out today vote x out tomorrow" kinda thing if it's from scum - depending how hard he was being townread by everyone at that point... i'll think about it if/when i need to

i did feel like he was doing things that he felt people wouldn't follow him on, fwiw, especially when he was saying he was ok with being left out of the coalition

like i think that was p unlikely to ever happen

[Datisi]

only to the extent where i felt he was not out of his scumrange and that he does like to effort and be in control of things as scum, i didn't like do an in depth comparison between town and scum looking for tells

well that's just stellar. i should probably reassess my read on him while keeping in mind that i can't write things off as townie because "scum probably doesn't effort this much" or for similar reasons like that

and yeah, that's what i mean. i don't remember the exact feels of the gamestate throughout every moment, but i do feel like he was consistently townread by almost everyone in the game and that a "just leave me out lol" wouldn't really be likely to happen, especially considering we were basically picking from 7 out of 9 anyway

[Aristeia]

Dats am I hopeless pocketed by you rn?

obviously <3

[Aristeia]

if you're actually mafia I think I might never live this down :>