Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[skitter30]

btw a datisi/aristeia scumteam has written enough words that I concede to them. I’ll probably never vote for either on the basis that they’re the team, and my only response to paranoia of that team is to shove it down because I don’t feel like entertaining it. Catching them would involve too much work for something so unlikely.

Yes ari i think i cant count irrel as a vote for you

I'm not 100% sure why you're clearing them so hard tho, neither is that level of town for me

[skitter30]

I was ready day 1 to bet the game on me/skitter/datisi/aristeia/std being town and I still am

What will you do if Menalque flips town?

Ari how are u reading nk15 again?

[Irrelephant11]

the competing wagons.

the only people pushing menalque this game day are
A. outside the coalition
B. Me (and I know I’m not scum)

[Irrelephant11]

@skitter and @datisi, you’ve both acknowledged at least one weird thing about menalque’s ISO recently iirc. Nobody is saying you have to lim him, just to give him more scrutiny than “until someone PROVES BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT I WILL NEVER VOTE THERE”

I mean sure if someone has a compelling reason to think he's scum i'll look at it, but i havent seen anything compelling yet

the competing wagons.

the only people pushing menalque this game day are
A. outside the coalition
B. Me (and I know I’m not scum)

[skitter30]

<3 std

Pedit and i dont think mena is the point of failure tho
And i'm not sure how that proves your point: if mena is scum with someone in the coalition, they'd be relatively satisifed with either the std/mena version, no?
And if he's scum with someone outside of the coalition, people outside of the coalition wouldnt be pushing him ... ?

[Irrelephant11]

btw a datisi/aristeia scumteam has written enough words that I concede to them. I’ll probably never vote for either on the basis that they’re the team, and my only response to paranoia of that team is to shove it down because I don’t feel like entertaining it. Catching them would involve too much work for something so unlikely.

Yes ari i think i cant count irrel as a vote for you

I'm not 100% sure why you're clearing them so hard tho, neither is that level of town for me

Either could be scum. I’m just not considering them as a scumteam anymore. It's not based on logic, it's based on the amount of effort necessary to win if that's the scumteam

[Irrelephant11]

<3 std

Pedit and i dont think mena is the point of failure tho
And i'm not sure how that proves your point: if mena is scum with someone in the coalition, they'd be relatively satisifed with either the std/mena version, no?
And if he's scum with someone outside of the coalition, people outside of the coalition wouldnt be pushing him ... ?

which is why it's with NK15 (notice how he keeps coming up with scumteams and voting for the one in the coalition... except for when he said he thought it was mena/mala) or a very small chance it's you who won't vote him and voted for a coalition without him

[Irrelephant11]

can't remember if I'm voting him yet but VOTE: menalque

would love to not end this game day before I've reread things and made a stronger case/confirmed townreads tho

[Aristeia]

I was ready day 1 to bet the game on me/skitter/datisi/aristeia/std being town and I still am

What will you do if Menalque flips town?

Ari how are u reading nk15 again?

I don't think he's outside of his townrange. [mean to say i know >.>]

[skitter30]

I mean ok so you're saying one of ur strongest pieces of evidence necessitates him being partnered with like exactly nk15/myself to work out?

And in the nk15 universe i honestly dont think its super likely that mena gets in in the first place (doesn't necessarily apply to the me universe i suppose).

Also per ari meta that isnt really how nk15 interacts with his partners either
Like if he's scum i think its with ari or dats

Pedit @irrel i sometimes have to pretend to work >.>

[Not Known 15]

I was ready day 1 to bet the game on me/skitter/datisi/aristeia/std being town and I still am

What will you do if Menalque flips town?

What will you do if he flips red

Be happy
vote malakittens.

[Aristeia]

if the gamestate is skitt/dats r t-t then like;

I don't like mena basically being awol for so long this phase[yes he said he was vla weekend but like its monday night in spain atp]

i find scum often have trouble interjecting into t v t game states because they dont want to fuck up the conflict or give themselves away - so if dats/skitter is t-t i can see mena being uncomfortable wading into it.

whereas irrelephant is just full on going in with the t-t -> mena push?

i mean maybe he is just exceptionally gifted scum who sees the t/t conflict being resolved eventually and needs to get a jump on mena but that would be some foresight.

i guess it could just be that he thinks flipping mena and preserving the schism between dats/skitter is worth it for f7 but theres no gurantee the embers get rekindled or that skitter/dats dont unite vs him for getting their mutual townread mena yeeted d1

[Ydrasse]

VOTECOUNT 2.1

[3] Menalque:

Save the Dragons, Malakittens, Irrelephant11

[1] skitter30:

Not Known 15

[1] Irrelephant:

fireisredsir

[4] Not Voting:

Menalque, skitter30, Datisi, Aristeia

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate!

The deadline is in (expired on 2022-05-20 18:52:45).

MOD NOTES

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[Irrelephant11]

sue me!!!

on the phone with my lawyer

[Aristeia]

nk15 is a lol-hammerer pls no e-1 vote

[skitter30]

Plz not before mena gets back at least

[Not Known 15]

nk15 is a lol-hammerer pls no e-1 vote

I am what?

[Datisi]

I mean i would make a note that i'm not trying to flip u rn @dats, and that i didnt vote you or anything. I'm suspicious of you but i havent actually done anything to really get you voted out, as I'm not at the point where i'm convined you're the scum rn; i'm still trying to sort this mess out. But i am a little Sus of this push on me, as i dont really understand how/why you think i'd have taken this tactic as scum
So if you can explain why you think i'd be starting off with ari when she's fairly widely townread ans unlikely to get voted out with significant effort esp given i dont really have any Good Reasons to push her or any sort of decent trajectory leading up to that ... i think that would help me understand *your* approach to the day

you're not trying to flip me rn, no, but you've spent like the entirety of d1 saying how you find me suspicious and would like to flip me on coalition failure etc and i don't see *much* to indicate that has in any way changed, so

the first issue is that "widely townread" can be used to describe p much everyone in the coalition (probably applies the least to mena) so you have no choice but to start with someone who is widely townread (or start with mena and probably tank all of your towncred if you do get him through but y'know). and it's also like... why not? even if it's unlikely that ari will get flipped first (debatable but let's say), unless ari hard-shoves scum at some point, she's gonna stay a possible misyeet target. like, scum doesn't work alone and scum doesn't always focus on the one person they want to flip the same day -- i don't see why it's impossible for your partner to push, say, menalque, you to resist that push and say you're sus of ari or whoever, mena flips town, you get +towncred because you tried to tell us mena was town and we did not listen and now it's gonna be your way

and /shrug, i already explained why i felt like your trajectory made sense for pushing ari

[Aristeia]

nk15 is a lol-hammerer pls no e-1 vote

I am what?

lol hammerer means you hammer things at e-1 with no warning

[Not Known 15]

nk15 is a lol-hammerer pls no e-1 vote

I am what?

lol hammerer means you hammer things at e-1 with no warning

Sometimes, yes.

[Datisi]

the competing wagons.

the only people pushing menalque this game day are
A. outside the coalition
B. Me (and I know I’m not scum)

as someone who has not drawn a correct conclusion from vca once in my life: what

[Aristeia]

Dats may I please have one of your cute little triangle diagram things for your thoughts rn <3

[Datisi]

I mean i would make a note that i'm not trying to flip u rn @dats, and that i didnt vote you or anything. I'm suspicious of you but i havent actually done anything to really get you voted out, as I'm not at the point where i'm convined you're

the

scum rn; i'm still trying to sort this mess out. But i am a little Sus of this push on me, as i dont really understand how/why you think i'd have taken this tactic as scum

how do you seem to know there is only one scum in the coalition :thonk:

[Datisi]

Dats may I please have one of your cute little triangle diagram things for your thoughts rn <3

uh, sure, lemme just figure out how to transfer the template onto my new laptop >_>

[Aristeia]

the competing wagons.

the only people pushing menalque this game day are
A. outside the coalition
B. Me (and I know I’m not scum)

as someone who has not drawn a correct conclusion from vca once in my life: what

I think his point is that we know:

(a) there is a scum in the coalition

(b) that scum is not pushing mena despite mena being the easiest push rn

therefore he's decided mena is the scum in the coalition since nobody in the coalition is pushing mena except for himself and he knows he's not scum.