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[Aristeia]

like if scum!mena is very sure he's getting flipped today

why wouldn't he just tunnel the same person he's been tunneling all game previously? if anything it prevents him from anti-spewing someone else as not his partner

and it might get him townread because people say "why would mena!scum do that!?"

[skitter30]

i gotta take my tue/wed v/la this week because uni is hell and i need to sleep - will try to properly read and digest the mena/std thing tomorrow during my commute

sleep well dats! hope uni gets better :)

pedit ok maybe this is like another prism situation and he's doing all this to get me to townread him and i'm veryu susceptible to that
but like beyond that motivation this seems like an *incredibly* questionable path for scum-him to take here when he's in quite immediate danger of getting flipped

[Aristeia]

-vaguely irritated that he has to do this instead of being merely accepted as a beacon of towniness? check

like who do you think is in the coalition who is the least townie?

rn a lot of people think its you

if you can make a better case for someone else I'm all ears.

[Aristeia]

i gotta take my tue/wed v/la this week because uni is hell and i need to sleep - will try to properly read and digest the mena/std thing tomorrow during my commute

sleep well dats! hope uni gets better

pedit ok maybe this is like another prism situation and he's doing all this to get me to townread him and i'm veryu susceptible to that
but like beyond that motivation this seems like an *incredibly* questionable path for scum-him to take here when he's in quite immediate danger of getting flipped

I dunno I just feel really weird about him not having a top suspect in the coalition cuz thats the only thing i've been thinking about for the last 3-4 days and he's like "i dont have a clue lets go kill std instead" and that's very ???? to me?

[skitter30]

i mean i guess
but i also don't know if he just rolls over and accepts being flipped, and i'm not even sure that's what he's doing now

and like he has to be scum with like me/you/dats/irrel to think he has a chance of winning despite this
which in my mind is another good reason to flip in that group ^ and not mena

pedit is the you in that for me or mena

[skitter30]

to be fair he has a history of doing things like 'fake-guiltying his partner'
but like said partner was catboi and catboi has a much better chance of carrying than like nk15 here

[skitter30]

also in that game he just announced the fake-guilty and dipped for literally a week before getting replaced. he didn't talk about it, try to explain his thought process, or really do anything, just radio silence immediately thereafter
he's spent like the entire day today defending his position in numerous iterations and from various angles

could just be an irl thing of having more time today than he did then
but i also think he cares more about the outcome and getting his way now then he did then

[Aristeia]

ok but in that game the votes for flipping him weren't there - town was divided and he didn't need to do anything to stall out the clock and let the town eat each other

[skitter30]

also i think std's response to all of this is p townie

i think nk15 is literally just throwing stuff at the wall and trying to see what sticks

[Aristeia]

so who do you think scum in the coalition is?

[Aristeia]

like let's say it's not mena - where do we go?

[skitter30]

i'm leaning towards irrel or dats rn

[Aristeia]

well you have less than 3 days to make a really good case for the one you want cuz otherwise we're just going to default to Mena atp

like saying "I don't think it's mena cuz of "why would scum him do this?" is not going to be enough.

I also think its a terrible idea to elim off coalition rn.

[Aristeia]

like maybe I'm just really pocketed very hard by dats/irrel

I'm not even that sure mena is mafia, I just think everyone else in coalition feels a lot townier >_>

[skitter30]

ii. 1340 reminded me I would love skitter to explain why std was her towniest read day 1

good vibes, thought processes that track and i understand, making good observations at the right time, approaching things from a generally townie mindset
don't see any scum motivation to his posts
(for those keeping track at home: v similar to my fire read from last time)
probably don't have energy to go through his posts and write a formal case rn using particular posts as examples, i'm sorry

It sure did seem like you were upset at daystart that mena got in instead of std. Can you explain what about that made you feel annoyed, since you're confident mena isn't the reason the coalition failed? having std in the coalition instead would have had the same result if you're right.

no, i was frustrated that the coalition that passed ultimately failed, i wasn't inherently annoyed that mena got in intead of std
like i've said numerous times, i don't think std/mena was the point of failure. that slot (i.e. std vs mena) i didn't care as much abt

so i was annoyed that we ended up with ari/dats in the coaltion and that i comprised on something i didn't think was right and that it ended pu failing

v. skitter what is your read on me

a big ball of 'i don't know!!!' with 'why was i townreading you earlier' with 'maybe you can be scum'

I too think it’s unlikely mena gets in the coalition if he’s scum with nk15 but like… his and nk15’s votes sure did make it happen. If he’s scum I think we were gonna win until datisi/ari/fire decided they couldn’t get there on std.

i mean fair that nk15 was the final vote but like i don't think that nk15/mena is super likely tbh

[skitter30]

ugh that requires me to have energy tho >.>
yeah i probably should but i also don't know which of them it is, like whoever's scum here is playing very well and looks p townie
i just really don't think it's mena

i'm p sure i know who it isn't, i don't know who it is tho

why is dats townier tho? last i understood you were very waffle-y on him?
and why irrel

[skitter30]

maybe its just mena/nk15 and this game isnt that hard

yeah maybe i'm just being pocketed and way overthinking things
which is very possible

but like as i undrestand the game and mena i don't think it's this

[skitter30]

Aristeia I forgot to say: you're scum for using the light theme of MS. Dark theme only for us townies

i use sepia what does that make me

awful
tigers is even worse

black <- light <- sepia <- <- <- tigers

[fireisredsir]

Okay I’m tired enough to sleep now pls leave further questions for me after this but not too many thanks

why do you think im partnered with nk15

why do you think nk15 is scum

It’s not an associative-based read, you’re both my individual top picks for scum

I’m going to answer the second part after I hear back from NK15 on my most recent question

don't think you ever answered the second part

why do these points you're making about lack of progression and lack of believable reasons for reads apply to std and not nk15

like what made him your target for today instead of nk when they were previously both your top scumreads

maybe it didn't look like a question cause it didn't have a question mark so here you go:

?????

[Aristeia]

if the gamestate is skitt/dats r t-t then like;

I don't like mena basically being awol for so long this phase[yes he said he was vla weekend but like its monday night in spain atp]

i find scum often have trouble interjecting into t v t game states because they dont want to fuck up the conflict or give themselves away - so if dats/skitter is t-t i can see mena being uncomfortable wading into it.

whereas irrelephant is just full on going in with the t-t -> mena push?

i mean maybe he is just exceptionally gifted scum who sees the t/t conflict being resolved eventually and needs to get a jump on mena but that would be some foresight.

i guess it could just be that he thinks flipping mena and preserving the schism between dats/skitter is worth it for f7 but theres no gurantee the embers get rekindled or that skitter/dats dont unite vs him for getting their mutual townread mena yeeted d1

[Aristeia]

I like how present Dats is and his willingness to engage with people[it feels very different from how he played Spring Fling as mafia] and he just feels so mindmeldy with me at times like when he recalled Mena saying we do not guillotine inside the coalition etc from that game years ago.

and like maybe I'm just pocketed but it's hard for me to see scum!him? [Like maybe you can say that your coalition of 4 + me would've won and he saw that coming and he decided to preempt you by convincing me to back his coalition instead but like it's not exactly something town him wouldn't do?]

[Aristeia]

like for irrelephant i just think it's much cleaner and easier line for him to play into the dats/skitter conflict and maybe chain your elims rather than being like "no we r going to kill mena" who you both townread.

It's a gamble yea but like most of the time scum don't burn towncred if they don't need to and if the elim is falling inside dats/skitter he doesn't really need to?

[Aristeia]

I'm not like extremely confident in either of those reads so if you have something you feel strongly about pls change my mind

[fireisredsir]

on irrel i really disagree with that, i don't think it required as much foresight as you're saying to see that mena was likely to be a better path

[fireisredsir]

i did not ever get the impression that the elim was most likely to fall within dats/skitter personally