Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[Menalque]

increasingly bad as he continues to tunnel me and not acknowledge that NK15 hammering a coalition with me in it is dumb as fucking bricks for a team made up of the two of us

[Menalque]

but I'd feel a whole lot better about that if you and skitter weren't also in the coalition

we all play the hand we're dealt

[fireisredsir]

dumb as fucking bricks

based on past meta i don't think this is very clearing lol

but i don't think it should be a major point either way

[Menalque]

actually sure

VOTE: relly

[fireisredsir]

UNVOTE:

mmm don't really need that sitting at e-1 rn

[Menalque]

dumb as fucking bricks

based on past meta i don't think this is very clearing lol

but i don't think it should be a major point either way

I don't have much experience with NK15 but unless he has a meta of completely ignoring scum partners then you should pay attention to it

because if we were scum together I would have been screaming at him to not lolhammer a coalition that's likely going through anyway right before I go away and in such a way that inevitably ties him to me after I get limmed on probably D2 or D3

and I'd rather have gambled on ending up inside anyway than KNOW that I would then have to play out this day phase as it is going

[Menalque]

it was e-2 no?

[fireisredsir]

me you skitter nk

[fireisredsir]

I don't have much experience with NK15 but unless he has a meta of completely ignoring scum partners then you should pay attention to it

yea this was exactly the point, he does

[Menalque]

anyway, it's probably a digression to go into it now because nobody is going to accept that it's a point that makes eminent sense during the day, and it'll have to be something that I resist pettily pointing at in post-game and going "see? SEE?"

[Aristeia]

[1] Irrelephant11: Not Known 15

[1]Save the Dragons: Menalque

[1] Irrelephant: fireisredsir

lol the votecount has two irrelephants i thought I was going crazy >.>

[Menalque]

me you skitter nk

oh, I just looked at VC from hydra

I don't have much experience with NK15 but unless he has a meta of completely ignoring scum partners then you should pay attention to it

yea this was exactly the point, he does

oh

well then yes I guess it's less clearing lol

[fireisredsir]

Okay I’m tired enough to sleep now pls leave further questions for me after this but not too many thanks

why do you think im partnered with nk15

why do you think nk15 is scum

It’s not an associative-based read, you’re both my individual top picks for scum

I’m going to answer the second part after I hear back from NK15 on my most recent question

don't think you ever answered the second part

why do these points you're making about lack of progression and lack of believable reasons for reads apply to std and not nk15

like what made him your target for today instead of nk when they were previously both your top scumreads

maybe it didn't look like a question cause it didn't have a question mark so here you go:

?????

[Menalque]

i gotta take my tue/wed v/la this week because uni is hell and i need to sleep - will try to properly read and digest the mena/std thing tomorrow during my commute

sleep well dats! hope uni gets better

pedit ok maybe this is like another prism situation and he's doing all this to get me to townread him and i'm veryu susceptible to that
but like beyond that motivation this seems like an *incredibly* questionable path for scum-him to take here when he's in quite immediate danger of getting flipped

I dunno I just feel really weird about him not having a top suspect in the coalition cuz thats the only thing i've been thinking about for the last 3-4 days and he's like "i dont have a clue lets go kill std instead" and that's very ???? to me?

it's been hard to have a top suspect in the coalition when I've basically not been around for most of D2

so I did what I could in the time I had, looked again at who I thought was scum, found things that reinforced the read, and went for that

now that I have time I'm trying to sort more in the coalition, but I've already said that it could have been any of (Relly, you, skitt) from the brief glance I took when I was able to

[fireisredsir]

oh ok you were still getting there

[Aristeia]

ok can you like actually focus on the sorting within the coalition thing instead of trying to kill STD cuz I highly doubt you have the votes to kill STD today :>

[Menalque]

what does it look like I am doing

[Menalque]

where have I even asked, let alone shouted at or berated or wheedled anyone into voting StD since dropping whatever the post was where I made that case

[Menalque]

to be fair he has a history of doing things like 'fake-guiltying his partner'
but like said partner was catboi and catboi has a much better chance of carrying than like nk15 here

also in that game he just announced the fake-guilty and dipped for literally a week before getting replaced. he didn't talk about it, try to explain his thought process, or really do anything, just radio silence immediately thereafter
he's spent like the entire day today defending his position in numerous iterations and from various angles

could just be an irl thing of having more time today than he did then
but i also think he cares more about the outcome and getting his way now then he did then

NB: I fake guilted catboi there because he and S_S suggested the fake guilty, wasn't my idea

Okay I’m tired enough to sleep now pls leave further questions for me after this but not too many thanks

why do you think im partnered with nk15

why do you think nk15 is scum

It’s not an associative-based read, you’re both my individual top picks for scum

I’m going to answer the second part after I hear back from NK15 on my most recent question

don't think you ever answered the second part

why do these points you're making about lack of progression and lack of believable reasons for reads apply to std and not nk15

like what made him your target for today instead of nk when they were previously both your top scumreads

maybe it didn't look like a question cause it didn't have a question mark so here you go:

?????

he never actually answered the second bit but smh

the second part was that I wanted to hear what he thought showed that ari was "thrown off balance" in his own words without prompting to see if I believed that he would think [insert part of Ari's posting here] was actually her being thrown off-balance, or if he was just talking shit and saying "they seemed off balance" because that's an easy thing to say and to look like you're doing something

I was more interested in StD because he had more of the "trying to look like he's sorting" than NK15 in his ISO, whereas NK15 was just... sort of there, doing his own shit, and not really worrying about looking like scum

it's possible I'm being big-brained here and lolhammering the coalition is just what NK15 does as scum because why not if your partner is in there, but that still seems like a gamble if you're not very, very confident you can win in 5p

[Menalque]

like for irrelephant i just think it's much cleaner and easier line for him to play into the dats/skitter conflict and maybe chain your elims rather than being like "no we r going to kill mena" who you both townread.

It's a gamble yea but like most of the time scum don't burn towncred if they don't need to and if the elim is falling inside dats/skitter he doesn't really need to?

did anyone actually want to ever kill dats/skitt outside of dats/skitt?

[Irrelephant11]

*pat pat*

it's ok skitt, if we're annoying enough, someone is gonna call us tvt eventually

Ok dropping by to say it would be a lie to say this post from skitter/datisi's scum chat from another game didn't make me paranoid but I think the whole pl is basically deciding between me/mena right now so in this world we've maybe already lost anyway? I will maybe legit cry if it's datisi/skitter

[Menalque]

I did not but I’m about to go to sleep

Essentially I revisited fire and once I was happy with fire town I thought ari was much more likely to be as well

ok did any of that thought process end up in thread?

uh

no

Like you were saying earlier we need to weigh actions on the spectrum of 'does it make more sense for town or scum to do this'

You've successfully shown that this is bizarre as town, but i'm saying that its equally bizarre as scum (and you havent explained why this is inherently *scummy* of him, just not townie) so its hard for me to view this as damning

I want to townlock skitter for this

but I'm worried that she would defend me as either alignment here because as town I believe that she's able to read me this well

yet as scum she benefits a lot from being right tomorrow and would be able to get a Relly misflip almost for sure, and have good odds of winning in ari/dats

although now I say that maybe not given how hard ari/dats have been on each other being town? so maybe I can townlock skitt if defending me makes her life harder or she just doesn't need to do it, and it doesn't make the game overall that much easier (as in, she would still prob die in 5p and be reliant on her partner to win)

[Menalque]

datisi can you give me the cliff notes on why ari is town once you're back please

[Datisi]

ok peeps i am back from uni i am working on 3 braincells currently, i will be catching up throughout the next 1-3 hours

does anyone want me to look at something more urgent or important in the meantime

i see 1697, i will get to it in a moment

[Irrelephant11]

Okay on reflection I'm doing a lot of pushing mena while doing so in a way that this playerlist will simply not internalize until I outline and format and spell it out so that's on me and I will make sure I put every reason down to paper before I start getting mad at anyone for not seeing it my way

And then hopefully it will be easier to tell me I'm wrong if I'm wrong (though I really do wonder if I can even possibly win alongside town!mena at this point, feels like I'm in pretty deep on this)