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[bloodhail]

i am 89% confident aristeia is town after finishing reading her iso

in particular her approach to the conflict between my slot and menalque just desnt seem scummy to me - while i

could

see her as scum capitulating to elim irrelephant because thats the easy way out i dunno that she lampshades the thing as tvt as mafia, just feels like putting th cart before the horse too much, if shes trying to murder a town i expect her to just do it rather than set up for day 3 or w/e

[bloodhail]

ok i guess i'm just here then i dunno what to do

just ftr i dont wanna seem like im shitting on you, i can try to address your case against menalque later after im caught up and see if we can claer things up that way

i mean it's not just you

maybe i'm tunneled so hard but it was nice to have irrelephant in here being like "listen to me AND std when we tell you this" it was easier when someone was on my side but now i'm just doubting everything and frustrated because why would mena mischaracterize my case on him as town i don't really get it but i guess other people are just okay with it

like i'm not even trying to get them to look at my case anymore i'm like look at this scummy thing he did post case and ari said "nah" and i can't get the two people tring him based on meta and familiarity to even comment on it

i hate getting ignored in games and feel like i constantly have a problem with people doing it to me so

i promise, promise, promise i will return to what you are saying here and give you a thorough response

but if you could link me posts you've made pointing to your case on him so i don't have to dig for it, that would be much appreciated


deal?

[Menalque]

Reach 120 pages in the next 4 hours challenge (impossible) (not doable) (super max difficulty) is go!

[Menalque]

Hi person who I haven’t seen on this alt before but who is incredibly obvious fortunately

[Menalque]

just dont self vote like ktane pls

for example here I am trying to get you to calm down

We won ktane so I think I’ll do whatever I want

and you're just like shut up I'll do whatever I want.


I don't know if you/irrel are t/t or t/s but when you start getting heated with him it's very hard for me to read into it and lowkey unpleasant to read and it feels like a lot of the time you're saying things to me like "I was right in Ktane so you should let me do whatever I want"

like I was asking you about who is confbiased because I don't understand your worldview and you immediately snapped at me and called me scummy for it?

It's just very exhausting for me to try to talk to you and figure this out and your feedback to me has been downright hostile and I'm not very good at dealing with it and I kind of just want to throw my hands up and not try to sort it.

like you keep implying that I'm angling to vote you and trying to treat you as scum or w/e except I wouldn't even have these criticisms of your play if I didn't think you were doing this as town. Like scum!you is welcome to be as unpleasant as he wants to win and make things difficult for me because that's literally your win condition and you're welcome to do whatever you think is necessary to get there. I would just like it if town!you stopped being so hostile because it's just ick.

Okay, I understand where you’re coming from more clearly now. I think talking about this more here is crossing into territory I don’t care to go into in games because of the inherent lack of certainty about the sincerity of what people say in a game based around lying.

Let’s discuss it in post, probably by PM. You’re right that I was being dismissive/hostile towards you and it’s for oog reasons that are related to recent games we’ve played and how I felt a certain kind of way about them. Thought I’d done quite a good job of controlling it but evidently not. Sorry

[Menalque]

To be clear that doesn’t mean I think you’re town, just that I think that specific complaint is valid

I’m still between you and bloodhall for the probable scum

[Save The Dragons]

ok i guess i'm just here then i dunno what to do

just ftr i dont wanna seem like im shitting on you, i can try to address your case against menalque later after im caught up and see if we can claer things up that way

i mean it's not just you

maybe i'm tunneled so hard but it was nice to have irrelephant in here being like "listen to me AND std when we tell you this" it was easier when someone was on my side but now i'm just doubting everything and frustrated because why would mena mischaracterize my case on him as town i don't really get it but i guess other people are just okay with it

like i'm not even trying to get them to look at my case anymore i'm like look at this scummy thing he did post case and ari said "nah" and i can't get the two people tring him based on meta and familiarity to even comment on it

i hate getting ignored in games and feel like i constantly have a problem with people doing it to me so

i promise, promise, promise i will return to what you are saying here and give you a thorough response

but if you could link me posts you've made pointing to your case on him so i don't have to dig for it, that would be much appreciated


deal?

1522 outlines my current point against him and features pieces of my case from other posts
1513 is a rebuttal to his case against me which was in post 1484

[Save The Dragons]

sorry I just don't think those things are alignment indicative for him

ii just can't see it that i way. i understand what you're saying but i don't think it's as bad for him as you say it is

but again you actually took the time to talk to me about it so i appreciate it it's datisi and skitter who have just ignored all attempts irrel and i had to make cases against mena and who the hell knows where NK15 is at

the fact that mena is being townread by both replacements is devastating because maybe i'm just wrong and i don't really know what to do from there

[Aristeia]

Fen, sometimes things are just not possible to do and you shouldn't let that get to you. it's just a game and not something worth getting stressed over <3

[bloodhail]

datisi is great at writig posts -exceedingly logical and comprehensible. but i'm not getting the feeling of towniness yet. possible i have biased myself into this world because he caught my eye last, but it is what it is. i also feel like of anyone in the coalition his day 1 play makes the most sense as being scum motivated?

[bloodhail]

where a lot of people are particularly concerned with either finding townies or possibly excluding themselves from the coalition, datisi seems focused on discrediting townreads on people in a way that seemed like jockeying to ensure he'd be one of the most townread

[bloodhail]

Hi person who I haven’t seen on this alt before but who is incredibly obvious fortunately

was publicly outed for my dc nom so not like im hiding anything

[bloodhail]

i think the poe is probably datisi/mala/nk15 and i lean toward it being the first 2 names

VOTE: datisi

halfway thru the iso but feel confident enough to vote this now. will return to chat more but taking a break for dinner soonish

[skitter30]

Because I hate this but uhhhhhhhhh page 77 and I’m not sure Menalque is scum. Hahahahaha I feel like an insane person making this post, it feels like a death wish. But. Do we really both make “sorry for heating up the thread” posts at the same time as tvs? Lol I hate mafia

Fwiw this made mw think of when ceph and fire both wrote long cases on me within minutes in lake melancholy

[skitter30]

I'm also concerned that your re-evaluation may be prompted by concern that you might lose the 1v1 and that would be, to borrow a phrase from antiquity "v bad for scum"

I am however happy to try and talk in case I am wrong and it's not you

I also have to admit that I've been skimming some of your posts while you've been tunnelled on me so if you already talked about this point me at where, but what do you think of skitter this game?

Ig i feel a little mean saying this given that he's bo longer here but the first paragraph crossed my mind too

[Datisi]

where a lot of people are particularly concerned with either finding townies or possibly excluding themselves from the coalition, datisi seems focused on discrediting townreads on people in a way that seemed like jockeying to ensure he'd be one of the most townread

well this feels like utter bullshit considering i was working towards a coalition from the start of d1

[Datisi]

ngl i will be incredibly annoyed if the scum-plan for this was "ok as soon as you enter the game, start pushing datisi for whatever reason you come up with, a few people had doubts there recently"

[skitter30]

I guess maybe she would be worried that she might look bad for being wrong on me when she's normally incredibly good? but that seems weak because I don't think she worries about much at all when scum, and that probably doesn't get picked up on by anyone other than maybe datisi

Fwiw if i dont just go after you hard to begin with i probably make ~vague protesting noises~ without doing anything meaningful to prevent yout flip from happening

[skitter30]

You think she’s defending Menalque specifically because she would be obvscum to you and Menalque if she didn’t?

yes but not really -- i think her "i would've gone after mena on d2 if i was scum in this game" is false because if she did go after mena, she would make herself obvscum *to him*, and then i would loudly sheep his dying words the next day (or she'd have to shoot me and remove a possible misyeet)

Still think i would havd at the start of the day

~
Paranoia of ari increasing >.>

[bloodhail]

where a lot of people are particularly concerned with either finding townies or possibly excluding themselves from the coalition, datisi seems focused on discrediting townreads on people in a way that seemed like jockeying to ensure he'd be one of the most townread

well this feels like utter bullshit considering i was working towards a coalition from the start of d1

not my perception of how events unfolded

ngl i will be incredibly annoyed if the scum-plan for this was "ok as soon as you enter the game, start pushing datisi for whatever reason you come up with, a few people had doubts there recently"

nah im town here

if im misfiring on you very sorry but that is what my read has given me


but u + multiple other people itg have experience with how i replace into a poe scum slot and it is not this. you could make the case that my options are limited i guess but w/e. im town and my main concern is getting my perspective into the thread

[skitter30]

@datisi,skitter 1522 i finally got ari to answer this but i just don't see a town!mena doing this to me. yes/no please tell me if i'm wrong for suspecting mena for accusing me of not having a case on him when i can cite evidence where i did

i think u both have v differnt playstyles and are scumreading the other for reasons that seem good to you but don't apply to the other and are therefor tunneled
i think this is tvt

[skitter30]

i am 89% confident aristeia is town after finishing reading her iso

in particular her approach to the conflict between my slot and menalque just desnt seem scummy to me - while i

could

see her as scum capitulating to elim irrelephant because thats the easy way out i dunno that she lampshades the thing as tvt as mafia, just feels like putting th cart before the horse too much, if shes trying to murder a town i expect her to just do it rather than set up for day 3 or w/e

Seems scummy to me

[Datisi]

(1) i don't read games closely after i die in them
(2) from what i remember in that game, there was an ongoing bus between your slot and gl so it made sense to continue it. if you're replacing into a shitty situation here or if your partner would be likely to go down after you, you can't play the same way
(3) you're a much better scum player than needed for the "i would always play the same way in x situation" to work

[skitter30]

but again you actually took the time to talk to me about it so i appreciate it it's datisi and skitter who have just ignored all attempts irrel and i had to make cases against mena and who the hell knows where NK15 is at

:( i responded last night

[skitter30]

I dont think bloodhail's done anything particularly townie (esp. for him ) since repping in

I still kinda think that slot's the scum
With quite a lot of paranoia on ari
And mild-to-moderate amts of paranoia on dats