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[bloodhail]

okay so: in general i think fireisredsir looks very genuine in terms of solving and process and the like this game. my concern is mostly that the scumreads he's advancing have likely been pro-scum because i don't think he's right on me or menalque. but people can be wrng so it's not like it's damning, i'm just not fully confident in the read here. still probably would not kill. you'll have to see how he adjusts down the line when he's forced to re-evaluate. gun to my head he's town tho


ydrasse didn't announce an extension and honestly i don't need one, i've blitzed through everything i need to read this game. otherwise we have 8 hours, feel free to AMA before we decide to end the day. hopefully i've made my reads clear enough

[fireisredsir]

fire im a little confused as to whether you think my slot or menalque is more likely to be scum at this present moment in time

IDK MAN ME TOO

im all blues no clues

[bloodhail]

fire im a little confused as to whether you think my slot or menalque is more likely to be scum at this present moment in time

IDK MAN ME TOO

im all blues no clues

that

feels like it shouldnt be a hard question to answer lol

[fireisredsir]

i was coming around to feeling irrel town before he replaced out, and I've felt you've been reasonably towny since replacing in. my scumread on mena was gradually overtaking my read on irrel

but then like now you've added one to the pile of people i think are maybe kinda townish and also have a lot of experience with mena saying that he is likely town

and if you're t-t i was kinda in agreement with ari that if it isn't in you/mena then its prob most likely to be datisi, and you agreed, and roden agreed, and replacements usually are worth listening to since they have a fresh perspective

but then datisi comes back and idk i thought his responses this last page were towny and made good points as to why he is unlikely to be scum on first reaction

so i do not know where that leaves me

i will read them again and think

[fireisredsir]

your short answer is "mena"

your medium answer is "mena, but then wait, if you're town, then should i be considering that your read is right on mena?"

your long answer is the above

[fireisredsir]

before sleeping last night my answer was "maybe datisi, actually" but i don't think it is anymore

idk maybe im just easily convinced of things

[Aristeia]

which point was good?

[bloodhail]

but then datisi comes back and idk i thought his responses this last page were towny and made good points as to why he is unlikely to be scum on first reaction

he's very good at arguing but in general it mostly looked like him puffing up his chest and going this is ridiculous i can't be scum because xyz i would be doing this differently and that fits with what ive seen of him as scum. didnt really sway my mind

[fireisredsir]

which point was good?

i thought one of the better points was that i don't really see a scum benefit to him sitting around and being so indecisive today for so long?

ehh ok actually ig if he is going in with the idea that he is townreading mena and townreading irrel, then he doesn't really need to rush into anything since as town he wouldn't from that position

brb ill reread

[Aristeia]

if you are townreading him for it - that literally is the scum benefit.

[Datisi]

that "scum benefit" comes in place if and only if i get under fire

which would have been avoided if i had just, faked some re-evaluation, said "yeah lol prob irrel" and voted there

like if i were scum, that slot would have been dead

[Datisi]

i mean it's funny that bh is saying how i was just arguing about why i'm not scum when that was what the conversation was about, and he was the one that decided not to actually talk to me and re-evaluate

[Datisi]

like i'm annoyed bc scum isn't stupid. they know that acting desperate as a replacement would be seen as bad so that the only thing they can do is act townie by pumping out reads and choosing a target that a few people suspect and that they can realistically sway the yeet over to

but no, he's not trying to avoid getting flipped

[bloodhail]

i mean it's funny that bh is saying how i was just arguing about why i'm not scum when that was what the conversation was about, and he was the one that decided not to actually talk to me and re-evaluate

my point i guess is you're way more wrapped up in self-defense than trying to find scum, imo

i don't need to argue with you over why i'm reading you as scum or why you're super sure i'm scum, that gets us nowhere

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats

[fireisredsir]

ok on reread i kinda think that in hindsight, if datisi is scum it prob was a mistake not to just let himself get convinced on irrel or mena and push that through. but im not sure if he could have known that at the time. maybe he even was planning to but then they both kinda got towny at a critical moment. maybe he didn't think the lim was ever going to be outside those two and so he just acted how he thought he would as town. maybe his partner was already hard pushing there and he didn't want to double up too hard or go counter to his partner (idk who this would be though? remind me to consider this further post flips). maybe he was too focused on what his trajectory will be for the future instead of on today.

and now he could be doing the thing that scum do sometimes where they channel the energy of "man i wish I had done x instead of y" and turn it into "why would i do y as scum when its better to do x??"

couple other things of note
- looking back i still don't love the early push on skitter post fail
- 1450 kinda feels like he could be hunting for someone who follows the pattern of his own strategy, since that's prob exactly what he is doing if he's scum here
- i thought 1514 was a good point and it's weird that there wasn't any follow up to it that i can see
- i think in hindsight my points for datisi town in 1287 are not very good actually, since he has successfully worked his way into having more than just skitter as a scumread. my experience with scumtisi is also in a large and a dance and i realize he prob approaches a 9p that has lots of people he knows very differently than those

[fireisredsir]

i think i would feel much worse about if i voted datisi and he flipped town compared to mena/bloodhail

which historically for me i think means its more likely to be the correct vote

[skitter30]

yeah, because it's definitely a given that leaving them alone would mean they would keep tunneling each other and wouldn't ever reconsider

and it's also definitely a given that others stops reading everyone other than mena/irrel

and if they flip t/t, nobody is ever going back to try to reread who was playing around it like scum

definitely much easier to risk all of that than just pick a person and tip them over

I mean i think if irrel doesnt rep out, the day was v likely to end with mena or irrel getting flipped

If its tvt, i'm not sure scum needs to do anything else

[skitter30]

I'm kinda debating rn if i should just stick with bloodhail with the understanding that if he flips town i go to dats tomorrow
Or if i should just switch to dats now

[Datisi]

and both menalque and irrelephant seem like players who absolutely get death tunnelled on someone and never reconsider their reads. skitt, you've seen me play scum. you know how much i plan things. if i were to see a tvt pair that everyone else is tunnelled on too, i don't just ~wait~ and ~hope they go through~, because i've been burned before by a tvt turning into a mutual townread. you push that shit through when you have the chance.

also i'm aware that ~doing nothing~ is going to set off alarm bells with people that know me because people still think that scumtisi is lazier than towntisi and faking some simple reads is trivial and yadda yadda but nobody is listening because bloodhail managed to enter the game without sounding utterly desperate to not get flipped

if he's red, i consider roden clear. i highly doubt they both pile onto me as partners and i feel like bh saw roden's suspicion on my slot and went for it. if green, then skitter very much should die because her play today, both with irrel/mena and bh/me is atrocious if we're all town (and i still think mena is town) so. ari should be given a second look there too, but my reads are bad any nobody listens to the dead anyway so unless someone specifically requests this, i don't plan on rereading just for that.

[Datisi]

VOTE: bloodhail

Y-1

part of me still does not want to make this vote, because if he really is a confbiased townie, then i'll get instamurdered tomorrow and good luck solving that yeetlo. but here we are i guess.

[fireisredsir]

i was kinda hoping mena would be around today

[Datisi]

me too

[bloodhail]

VOTE: bloodhail

Y-1

part of me still does not want to make this vote, because if he really is a confbiased townie, then i'll get instamurdered tomorrow and good luck solving that yeetlo. but here we are i guess.

idk bro

sounds a lil performative to me

if im wrong on you then it falls to you to figure the game out after i die

i don't think i am wrong though

[Datisi]

if im wrong on you then it falls to you to figure the game out after i die

ah yeah, because i'm definitely gonna be listened to after the bullshit you pushed today, sounds reasonable