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Town Backup Compulsive Vigilante
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Mafia have daytalk and are multitasking. The informed mafioso gets the message "There is a town Traffic Analyst." in their role PM. The theme will be "Roguelikes", covering the history and common gameplay mechanics of roguelike games.
I want a compulsive vig and a backup compulsive vig, I don't want to drop them at all. I like the Neighborizer/Traffic Analyst interaction but I can begrudgingly part with it.
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Roguelikes are a nice theme for a normal. I have been playing much rogue legacy 2.
One note if you want a compulsive role: make sure you're familiar with the normal rules for them (basically, it's just to avoid having a random resolution).
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ok i lied my class is in 10 minutes
i think this is actually... pretty townsided? i know i might be biased, but like. the two vigilantes are almost always going to be confirmed town just by virtue of claims and shots. the traffic analyst is Almost a cop - the 1-shot neighbourizer can maybe make him get a false guilty or save a partner from getting hard-guiltied, but it seems like more often than not there's just going to be a few clears from the traffic analyst as well.
the game can "turn balanced" if the vigilantes shoot especially poorly, which is almost always the case with vigilante games anyway, doubly so when there's two vigilantes, but yeah. i guess my verdict is unhealthily swingy, somewhat scumsided.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- KittyTacky
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Glad I got it close to balanced.implosion wrote:Roguelikes are a nice theme for a normal. I have been playing much rogue legacy 2.<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">One note if you want a compulsive role: make sure you're familiar with the normal rules for them (basically, it's just to avoid having a random resolution).<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Spoiler: Setup opinion (if Datisi wants to go in unbiased)
Alright, let's buff scum a bit then. My main concern from reading implosion's verdict is that the rolecop can die early and scum is boned. I don't think outing the existence of the full rolecop is that big of a concern.In post 4, Datisi wrote:ok i lied my class is in 10 minutes
i think this is actually... pretty townsided? i know i might be biased, but like. the two vigilantes are almost always going to be confirmed town just by virtue of claims and shots. the traffic analyst is Almost a cop - the 1-shot neighbourizer can maybe make him get a false guilty or save a partner from getting hard-guiltied, but it seems like more often than not there's just going to be a few clears from the traffic analyst as well.
the game can "turn balanced" if the vigilantes shoot especially poorly, which is almost always the case with vigilante games anyway, doubly so when there's two vigilantes, but yeah. i guess my verdict is unhealthily swingy, somewhat scumsided.
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And yeah I know about the compulsive requirement, I still don't think compulsive vigs are used enough. Seems like a cool role with interesting nightplay.- KittyTacky
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Also, mafia knows there are no protective roles if they're smart. They know there's a TA but they haven't been given any tools to stop a protective role. So that's a point to scum since they're even more informed.- KittyTacky
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Hit the submit button too early. This is because Follow The Cop (TA) is thwarted by all setups.In post 7, KittyTacky wrote:They know there's a TA but they haven't been given any tools to stop a protective role.- implosion
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I think if Datisi still feels it's townsided (which I think it well could be) another reasonable change is to gate the traffic analyst, maybe with novice or something like that.- Datisi
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well, i was about to say i do feel it's townsided, but that i was willing to go with it if implo thought it's fine. so.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- implosion
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Do you feel novice TA is balanced or still townsided- Datisi
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i don't Love It, but with the core idea being what it is, dunno if i will ever love it. so sure, novice ta (and the informed being adjusted accordingly) is fine with me.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- KittyTacky
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This good?
What are your objections to the core idea?Datisi wrote:i don't Love It, but with the core idea being what it is, dunno if i will ever love it. so sure, novice ta (and the informed being adjusted accordingly) is fine with me.- Datisi
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vigilante is a high swing role. compulsive vigilante and a backup for it doubly so. a traffic analyst here either gets alignemnt-accurate or worthless results, depending on whether mafia is able to galaxy brain the usage of the neighbourizer or not. and a tracker is also able to get hard guilties.
like, most of normal games have swing as it's almost unavoidable. by having multiple high-swing power roles, this game cranks it up a lot. but like, as said, neither a certain amount of swinginess or a reviewer's liking is required for a setup to pass.
the role pm of the neighbourizer is wrong. there's a town novice traffic analyst in the game.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- KittyTacky
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Yeah I actually wanted a high-power game so YMMV,
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i'd prefer if you fixed it now. also i need to see the investigation results for all roles.
your role pm's don't specify how to confirm, though i don't think that's a requirement, just letting you know.
don't forget to publicly announce daytalk + multitasking.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- KittyTacky
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Tracker should technically have a result for visiting multiple players, since scum multitask.
I don't think there's a standard for this but backup compulsive vig should have to submit a list of players either at the start of the game, or when they become compulsive vig. If the former, it needs to be in the role PM; if the latter, it needs to be a sort of pseudo-result PM that can be prepared in advance.
I'd change "kill" to "nightkill" in the BP pm for clarity that it doesn't work on lims.- KittyTacky
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In post 18, implosion wrote:Tracker should technically have a result for visiting multiple players, since scum multitask.
I don't think there's a standard for this but backup compulsive vig should have to submit a list of players either at the start of the game, or when they become compulsive vig. If the former, it needs to be in the role PM; if the latter, it needs to be a sort of pseudo-result PM that can be prepared in advance.
I'd change "kill" to "nightkill" in the BP pm for clarity that it doesn't work on lims.Spoiler: Role PMs
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EBWOP.In post 19, KittyTacky wrote:In post 18, implosion wrote:Tracker should technically have a result for visiting multiple players, since scum multitask.
I don't think there's a standard for this but backup compulsive vig should have to submit a list of players either at the start of the game, or when they become compulsive vig. If the former, it needs to be in the role PM; if the latter, it needs to be a sort of pseudo-result PM that can be prepared in advance.
I'd change "kill" to "nightkill" in the BP pm for clarity that it doesn't work on lims.Spoiler: Role PMs
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EBWOP 2.In post 20, KittyTacky wrote:
EBWOP.In post 19, KittyTacky wrote:In post 18, implosion wrote:Tracker should technically have a result for visiting multiple players, since scum multitask.
I don't think there's a standard for this but backup compulsive vig should have to submit a list of players either at the start of the game, or when they become compulsive vig. If the former, it needs to be in the role PM; if the latter, it needs to be a sort of pseudo-result PM that can be prepared in advance.
I'd change "kill" to "nightkill" in the BP pm for clarity that it doesn't work on lims.Spoiler: Role PMs
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datisi, stop forgetting to reply to threads you've already opened challenge (100% impossible)
anyway. in theory, i would prefer for backup compulsive vig's "btw you need to submit a list of people now that a compulsive vig has died" to be in a separate pm and not included in the role pm, since it being in the role pm kind of implies there *is* a compulsive vig in the game. or at least, the players might interpret it that way.
however, since i don't recall there being precedent over this sort of thing, and as long as you say that "they'd be required to submit a list for their backup compulsive action even if there's no actual compulsive role in the game" if someone asks, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Thanks!!!!! I'll just add "This does not necessarily mean there is a Compulsive Vigilante in the game." to the PM to clear any bias.- Datisi
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maybe it's my own confbias, but i feel that's even worse >.> i'd keep it as is, maybe ask implo if you wanna be sure.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M - Datisi
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