large normal 239. game over

[takotsubo syndrome]

Makes a bit of sense then.

[over90]

not an expert, i saw only 1 game of them, knowing their side

[ItalianoVD]

i like rcenigma, nero, and italiano for town

not sure what over90's deal is with me i've barely posted

What do you like about me, I mean aside from the obvious.

And you think it's t/t/t right now. That's really interesting.

You have anything on Nash or Carcalilly?

[ItalianoVD]

nashedpotato too can be town for now

Just saw it, my bad.

[Save The Dragons]

i think you're trying to for it in a way that mafia wouldn't like why pick a fight with nero he's just going to shit on you

i think nero's energy is townie but i dunno if i really know how to read him so take that with a grain of salt, but i'm not convinced by your case

carcalilly called me scum for no reason which is weird i don't really get the TMI post either i wouldn't say no to a carcalilly wagon

[ItalianoVD]

Uhhh what? We are playing Mafia.

If you don't townread Nero, then what are you doing trying to discredit and disprove suspicions going his way and pulling people away from pushing there. Even if null, the effort you went through to prove he is town just raises my antennas, regardless of his alignment.

[ItalianoVD]

something about the way italiano cased nero feels off to me

Nero feels off to me.

[ItalianoVD]

ItalianoVD is just a hard player to read in general. I have read two past games of his and he was a hard slot to sort for them. I just haven't seen him case someone so early though.

I'm curious what those two games were and if you planned on reading more.

[ItalianoVD]

just feels a bit weird you thought to check his old games but only checked 2 of them

Over90 obsession with mq.bosco feels off.

Wait, are you gonna answer Gamma here? You literally changed the subject.

[over90]

ItalianoVD

RCEnigma

Dannflor

KittyTacky
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
DeasVail

SirCakez

Save The Dragons

over90
mq.bosco
Carcalilly
takotsubo syndrome
NashedPotato
Enchant

pray for the godsnipe readlist

2 of those are totally serious rn actually

Not Known 15

is it not strange to create such kind of list so early?
it is rather random because of your phrase "2 of those are totally serious rn actually"
can you tell more about your thought process here?
who are these two?

[RCEnigma]

Uhhh what? We are playing Mafia.

If you don't townread Nero, then what are you doing trying to discredit and disprove suspicions going his way and pulling people away from pushing there. Even if null, the effort you went through to prove he is town just raises my antennas, regardless of his alignment.

You're assuming that you're just Town here (which I like ngl) but also that I know that and your bad faith argument still lands on Nero!scum. It ignores that fmpov you can just be scum pushing Nero and how you go about pushing a slot is also a way to sort you.

If you had lied about any other slot and I knew about it the outcome would be the same, I'd call it out as bs.

[takotsubo syndrome]

ItalianoVD is just a hard player to read in general. I have read two past games of his and he was a hard slot to sort for them. I just haven't seen him case someone so early though.

I'm curious what those two games were and if you planned on reading more.

Most likely not. I'm not a fan of meta, but I was interested in some flavor of certain games. I just found it a bit off that you never cased anyone that early in either of the two games and both of them you were town in.

Meta can be manipulated. Think of meta like playdoh you can mold it into whatever you feel like. So it's not super predictable unless they are a player that has a transparent day/night meta.

just feels a bit weird you thought to check his old games but only checked 2 of them

Over90 obsession with mq.bosco feels off.

Wait, are you gonna answer Gamma here? You literally changed the subject.

I just found it odd that Gammemerald was fixated on Nerocain & then got fixated on again on me for reading some games.

[over90]

if a player tries hard, meta doesn't work

[Gamma Emerald]

I only posted about Nero Cain once until you brought it up again, how is that being fixated on him?

[Carcalilly]

Nothing interesting. No information. Meta-talkings have no sense for me, cause I'm new. Playing with NK15. over90 & maybe Gamma.

Yeahhh I feel this too. Not new but I just came back. :/

I respect the immediate grind though, I'll trust it if it seems founded.

[Carcalilly]

ItalianoVD

RCEnigma

Dannflor

KittyTacky
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
DeasVail

SirCakez

Save The Dragons

over90
mq.bosco
Carcalilly
takotsubo syndrome
NashedPotato
Enchant

pray for the godsnipe readlist

2 of those are totally serious rn actually

Not Known 15

is it not strange to create such kind of list so early?
it is rather random because of your phrase "2 of those are totally serious rn actually"
can you tell more about your thought process here?
who are these two?

High-key italiano went leanscum to town within that time. Asked to make it serious and he did.
UNVOTE:
That was one of them though.

Other one is DV for the acetic comment.

Thought process was something to throw down early and reflect on later. Plus if I try it every game, maybe one day I'll get the instaguess. :p

[Nero Cain]

so much for making me a DV, you liar!

[Carcalilly]

never played /w nero before but I'm struggling to see scum!italiano being the one to push it, feels too ballsy to me

i think you're trying to for it in a way that mafia wouldn't like why pick a fight with nero he's just going to shit on you

i think nero's energy is townie but i dunno if i really know how to read him so take that with a grain of salt, but i'm not convinced by your case

carcalilly called me scum for no reason which is weird i don't really get the TMI post either i wouldn't say no to a carcalilly wagon

I agree with all this actually. I was subconsciously sheeping over90 methinks with that list, in your case.

Don't get the TMI? Half joke half the gut-feel comment felt not-so-fully gut. I couldn't understand what kind of agenda would be pushed onto you though.

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.1 !

KittyTacky (3):

mq.bosco, DeasVail, Not Known 15

mq.bosco (2):

RCEnigma, NashedPotato

ItalianoVD (2):

Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain

Gamma Emerald (1):

takotsubo syndrome

Dannflor (1):

Enchant

Save The Dragons (1):

over90

Nero Cain (1):

ItalianoVD

Carcalilly (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (1):

Save The Dragons

not voting (3):

Dannflor, KittyTacky, Carcalilly

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to cause someone to be ever so slowly slowly locked up in their own house. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-05 13:31:22)

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[takotsubo syndrome]

UNVOTE: Gamma emerald

For now.

[Carcalilly]

I find it funny ppl shaded kitty for not wanting to case early and then shaded italiano for casing early. Or was it setup spec? Either way it felt a bit trigger happy there.

[NashedPotato]

A joke? Yeah, no, I'm not buying that. You originally threw him out with over90. What was the reason you did that?

Are you dumb? You said in the previous whatever posts that they were scum, I added an emoji to show that it wasn't serious. Use some comprehension skills

[DeasVail]

A big part of why I think Kitty could be scum is the way that they have responded to suspicion in this game. When one is scum, the question of how to respond to a vote/suspicion is, I think, a pretty tricky one, and something that a lot of players as scum will have to intentionally think about, and I think Kitty's responses align with scum feeling the need to respond in a certain way, rather than a natural town response.

The first example of this is here:

VOTE: KittyTacky

You're making a terrible mistake, I'm Jester.

Which would be a pretty harmless joke on its own, and at first I didn't think anything of it, but then it is a lot more pronounced in 139

Statements like "Do you really expect me to try to case you on page 6? I don't case people this early." don't actually match what Nero was asking, and make out Nero to be unreasonable.

And "The cardinal sin of waiting for more posts from a player before seeing whether to commit to a read or not." - is an insistence that what Kitty is doing is totally reasonable and shouldn't be suspected, again that any suspicion of Kitty is unsubstantiated (though note that in this case RCE didn't even provide a reason for thinking that Kitty was scum).

So instead of being confident in their role PM being town, Kitty feels the need to essentially belittle any suspicion against them, even when the suspicion itself is quite trivial and low-impact.

--

I also don't like the Nero thing, as I don't really believe that they truly have that read.

--

over90, I would like to know why you townread Kitty.

PEdit: Tbf carcalilly, no one was actually shading kitty for not casing early. That was a narrative that Kitty themselves created.

[Nero Cain]

I find it funny ppl shaded kitty for not wanting to case early and then shaded italiano for casing early. Or was it setup spec? Either way it felt a bit trigger happy there.

I'm not sure if that was what was actually the point. No one really expects Kitty to have a case on me but if Kitty is scum reading me then not voting me when there's only like 1 vote on me seems sketch, no? Sometimes scum will not join wagons until there's a bit more meat. As for VD, I still think the case was forced and he's overcompensating. What do you think of the case on me?

[Nero Cain]

2. What's wrong with just being somewhat cautious this early?

I think early game is the best time to not be cautious and it looks like you just know I'm town that is afraid to vote me. I mean maybe I can understand that you are suspicious of me but that suspicion hasn't formed into a full on scum read yet but still seems iffy to me.

what did you like about VD's case?

and now your case is that I haven't done enough.

Wrong.

Even though there hasn't been much of anything in this game so far, I feel town!you would've done more by now.

is this not a change in reasoning? I mean maybe you could argue that it's something you are adding onto your meta case but I think that's BS. I think that no one was bitting on your meta case so you threw out some charged wording that I wasn't doing enough. I think I'm doing plenty.