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[Roden]

nah don't selfvote roden

i'm not convinced it's you

so take your vote off and talk to me about who you think it is

I still think it's Fire, but if I'm wrong we lose. That's just how it is.

[Aristeia]

it doesn't matter when you get mislimmed as town its still taking a mislim spot - it is better to try to win.

[bloodhail]

For the record, I don't think I played badly this game. I'm proud of myself for correctly reading Datisi and helping to turn Day 1 around, and that my original read on NK15 was correct and that my method for reading him is more solid I expected it to be. My presence in a potential ELo is just a detriment, and I don't want to argue with STD if it comes to it.

please don't throw in the towel by selfvoting

have you not seen my posts - i am not at all convinced it is you

i realize you're worried about getting tunneled by std here but let's pick up the pieces and try to figure things out, yeah?

i understand feeling like you're being tunneled can be irritating and you had to deal with very unusual circumstances this game but i'd like it if you tried your best here, all right?

[bloodhail]

nah don't selfvote roden

i'm not convinced it's you

so take your vote off and talk to me about who you think it is

I still think it's Fire, but if I'm wrong we lose. That's just how it is.

why do you think it is fire?

[bloodhail]

i have thoughts

[Aristeia]

tell me more tell me more

[bloodhail]

tell me more tell me more

well i wanna hear from roden first

but while you're here, tell me

when & why did you go from thinking mala's slot was a possible datisi partner to thinking it was fire?

[Aristeia]

when i was thinking about things overnight on n1

[Aristeia]

like does it really make sense for Roden to bus Datisi ?

his slot isn't exactly likely to endgame even if Datisi flips scum on D1.

when Datisi e-1'd BH near deadline, the voters on BH were datisi-skitter-mena-nk15 - so datisi + 3 flipped townies, partner is not on the wagon and could've pushed the wagon over.

why not just push bloodhail dead on d1 there unless partner is pretty well situated?

[bloodhail]

okay so it's just fire by poe for you?

[Aristeia]

it's more like an active scumread. It's not really poe

I can write out a case if you think it would help.

[bloodhail]

sure go for it i want to see reasoning because as it is i'm stuck and am sitting on reasons to townread everyone

[fireisredsir]

i am concerned by the fact that i feel relatively similar to roden but mirrored

idk if that means he is doing that intentionally or if it means we are actually in the same spot

[bloodhail]

i am concerned by the fact that i feel relatively similar to roden but mirrored

idk if that means he is doing that intentionally or if it means we are actually in the same spot

talk me through your read?

i think i get the basic gist of it in your case but i'm starved for conversation

[fireisredsir]

like i think logically my brain is saying that it should be roden. partly bc i think mala and roden have both acted in a scummy way and bc i think they're viable partners for datisi, partly bc i townread everyone else

but if im wrong and he's town, then i have already kinda accepted my position as next in the poe and so we probably just lose

the point at which i do not feel similarly though and can't really relate to is that i don't think its a foregone conclusion and want to still try to sort things out

[fireisredsir]

can you point out specific things that you think are out of std's scumrange

if i can be more confident in him being town then i will feel better at least

[bloodhail]

yeah, i read you

and i do acknowledge there's kind of a convenience of timing thing from both mala/roden, some of the interactions with datisi are a little ~odd~

although the attitude here from roden feels a little town and - idk if i ever explained it, did you see the stuff i was saying about malakittens meta? because that's a bit of a sticking point for me

[bloodhail]

can you point out specific things that you think are out of std's scumrange

if i can be more confident in him being town then i will feel better at least

well aside from meta i don't think the way datisi treated him is ever partnered

and when i did a brief re-check of his iso i thought things looked okay on his end, had some nice posts and even when he was wrong on datisi was appealing to him in a believabe way


but like, you were in that large normal with him as a traitor, right? does his play this game remind you of that one? because i'm skimming that game right now and i think he's night and day between those two games

[fireisredsir]

about her having more fire here, or was there more than that? i saw that and wasn't sure i really agreed. unless you were thinking of something else, the main fiery thing i saw was her responding to people saying she lurks more as scum, which i think she could genuinely be annoyed by as either alignment.

looking now ig some of her suspicions and responses to people are stated in a kinda indignant and maybe flippant way which isn't really the attitude she had in dance (my main memory there was her like blatantly trying to pocket people) so maybe there's a point there

[fireisredsir]

but like, you were in that large normal with him as a traitor, right? does his play this game remind you of that one? because i'm skimming that game right now and i think he's night and day between those two games

yea for sure not like that game, but i don't think thats the extent of his range. its also v easy to just be not quite the scummiest lurker in a large, don't think he could get away with that here

[bloodhail]

about her having more fire here, or was there more than that? i saw that and wasn't sure i really agreed. unless you were thinking of something else, the main fiery thing i saw was her responding to people saying she lurks more as scum, which i think she could genuinely be annoyed by as either alignment.

looking now ig some of her suspicions and responses to people are stated in a kinda indignant and maybe flippant way which isn't really the attitude she had in dance (my main memory there was her like blatantly trying to pocket people) so maybe there's a point there

yeah it's a little bit specific but here's a recent sample:

scum

spring fling
KTaNE
Mini Normal 2269
Bears With Guns 2

town:

Mini Normal 2271
Newbie 2093
CONTROL

that's a lot of links but i felt like i shouldn't omit stuff i talked about. i'd specifically reference spring fling and mini normal 2271 since she posted a decent amount in both of those games. (control she was active but it was a large game and she lived a long, probably not the best comp)

i'm not gonna tell you necessarily what i saw, i want you to draw your own conclusions here, but i'll give you what i was working with and see what you come up with

[fireisredsir]

ok i did find this which was kinda funny

Subject: Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

i feel townpings on malakittens for possibly dumb reasons, we'll see

considering

i have a probably very horrible reason for a townping on malakittens.

but actually coming from datisi thats maybe more clearing than suspicious tbh

anyway, continuing

[bloodhail]

but like, you were in that large normal with him as a traitor, right? does his play this game remind you of that one? because i'm skimming that game right now and i think he's night and day between those two games

yea for sure not like that game, but i don't think thats the extent of his range. its also v easy to just be not quite the scummiest lurker in a large, don't think he could get away with that here

in general i think he's, uh, a little bit on the lazy side as scum and what he's shown here is a lot more genuine depth to his thinking, even if he was wrong on menalque it felt like a read he really believed in especially given the extent he was willing to case it. i don't really think stuff like that is characteristic of his scum game at all

like in this game as well a lot of the stuff he says is pretty shallow and he just doesn't have much energy at all

[bloodhail]

ok i did find this which was kinda funny

Subject: Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

i feel townpings on malakittens for possibly dumb reasons, we'll see

considering

i have a probably very horrible reason for a townping on malakittens.

but actually coming from datisi thats maybe more clearing than suspicious tbh

anyway, continuing

lmao

i have unwittingly gone back to the same well as mafia before actually so i wouldn't necessarily read too much into that aspect of it

[fireisredsir]

but like, you were in that large normal with him as a traitor, right? does his play this game remind you of that one? because i'm skimming that game right now and i think he's night and day between those two games

yea for sure not like that game, but i don't think thats the extent of his range. its also v easy to just be not quite the scummiest lurker in a large, don't think he could get away with that here

in general i think he's, uh, a little bit on the lazy side as scum and what he's shown here is a lot more genuine depth to his thinking, even if he was wrong on menalque it felt like a read he really believed in especially given the extent he was willing to case it. i don't really think stuff like that is characteristic of his scum game at all

like in this game as well a lot of the stuff he says is pretty shallow and he just doesn't have much energy at all

yea ik, but i did feel like he wasn't being a driving force for most of the early game. he was moreso after i specifically called him out as suspicious for that

also i was thinking more of this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... %5B%5D=629

where he efforted quite a bit, and i feel like having lukewarm as a partner in a 9p is a somewhat comparable position to what he would be here

i do think one potential difference even with this one tho is that here ive felt like he has spent more time just kinda thought dumping and showing what he's thinking about all sorts of things, whereas in this scumgame he is typing a lot but its more specifically directed towards reasoning behind reads. which does feel townier