Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[Aristeia]

who do you want to elim today?

[fireisredsir]

i would like roden to return and give thoughts before eliminating anyone

and also std

rn i think it's more likely to be roden than you and so would prefer to eliminate there but if bloodhail and/or std end up disagreeing with that, then i may be willing to trust them on it

i think its v unlikely i vote for std or bloodhail

[Aristeia]

@Roden please stop voting for yourself

[Save The Dragons]

Need some time will try to talk tomorrow morning

[Roden]

...I have a bad feeling that it isn't Ari or Fire. Idk. I got a really weird feeling when they both cross examined me at the same time. Ari feels really set on Fire being scum and thinking that I'm town. Fire on the other hand admitted they don't know who to push, which feels too blunt to come from scum who's in a very small PoE and needs to survive.

I still don't think it's Blood though. And STD still feels gut town. Something's off.

[bloodhail]

...I have a bad feeling that it isn't Ari or Fire. Idk. I got a really weird feeling when they both cross examined me at the same time. Ari feels really set on Fire being scum and thinking that I'm town. Fire on the other hand admitted they don't know who to push, which feels too blunt to come from scum who's in a very small PoE and needs to survive.

I still don't think it's Blood though. And STD still feels gut town. Something's off.

well then obviously you've poe'd the mafia and are voting them

[bloodhail]

but in all seriousness, if you're stuck, then reread take into consideration the arguments other people are making, ask people about stuff


fwiw i don't place a ton of emphasisvalue on play this phase it's very easy for a solo mafia to blend in and act town-like

[Save The Dragons]

ari and datisi is a hard case to make as partners because they would have interacted together as any combination of t/t t/s s/s so it's hard to look at interactions and go "is this theater?" when it's all a little showy, there's a lot of tr of each other which could be trying to convince other people that they are town. the way that ari wants to keep off the coalition and datisi kind of is ambivalent maybe suggests that they planned on datisi being in the coalition from the start in a scum!ari world.

i *feel* like, if ari were scum, it doesn't make too much sense for her to see skitt attacking her and go "actually i will try to placate this fight by proposing a coalition of me skitt and dats, after skitt said she does not want neither me nor dats in the coalition"

like i know fighting with skitter is not Fun but this does not seem like a move scum makes because like, i don't feel like skitt would be very open to that idea

mmm this is wrong on every level.

(1) Scum!me would absolutely placate her at this point because it's much easier to 1v1 someone inside coalition after failure than someone outside coalition after failure because eliminations happen in the coalition.

(2) fighting with skitter is fun and I think I could pocket her as scum.

(3) <3 you Dats I still think you're town <3

it's interesting how ari discredits a town read that datisi has on her. that could be a way of distancing, or trying to look unaligned by disagreeing with him. but it could also be a truthful statement

you do understand if this coalition fails skitter is going to eat you right?

if the coalition fails and she wants to do that, she's gonna have to drag me to that yeetotine kicking and screaming so good luck with that i guess

i know this is a cute gif but looking back it almost pings me as TMI like they both know it's going to fail at this point, but then again why post this in public if they were scumbuddies

1056 she goes back into a tr of datisi to help cover it up if scum!ari

i can't get over posts like this though:

fen is it over?

this is what i mean by feeling genuine and it's hard to believe she's lying

Sorry last one and then i'm going!
Once i indicated dats was where i would flip first and it was obvious you/dats were a pair basically - it always behooves scum-you to have him in there no matter his alignment once you were in there (and basically everyone but me and like mala/nk15 wanted it iirc)

If he's town there's your first misflip
If he's scum you can always argue once he's flipped that the coalition is clean

I want to address this accusation here in this post;


Datisi is one of the hardest players to misflip on this site - he very rarely gets misflipped as town and only by truly stupid people because my god when this man radiates townieness it is blinding. He hasn't gotten there yet this game but if he was threatened I think he probably can get there.

I doubt I would ever think of trying to misflip him. Not only would I feel incredibly bad about it - but like it's just not something that's easy or strategically sound to do? There are many people I would find easier to misflip in this PL, I don't think there's actually a player more difficult to misflip than him.

The thought of trying to put him into the coalition to set him up as a misflip after townreading him is just not something I would do or even consider doing. It's just so bizarre that the thought would never even cross my mind - my scum game for all you rave about it is actually fairly simple - I mostly try to flip the people who are easy to flip. I don't really try to jump over a 50 foot fence when there is a nice open door somewhere else.

secondly I didn't even want to be on the coalition until Datisi talked me into it:



I was perfectly content to sit off coalition with my scumreads and play support for you. I didn't force my way into your coalition and drag Dats in to be some decoy, he was the one who convinced me to come.

the indignation could come from scum who's plan got derailed when they had to put both of them on the coalition. she blames datisi as a way of distancing, but also more treating datisi as town using words like "misflip" like there's no consideration about datisi being scum.

i dunno is this helpful? i feel like i'm talking myself into something that may not be true. but i don't want to be hedgy because it's when i'm confident in my reads they're more accurate.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: skitter

hello scumbutts

IDK

i'm just voting a fellow kittykat

HEAL: skitterrrrr

mew

HEAL: malakittens

i can't get over this it's almost like the opposite, if datisi and ari are scum, they had a conscious plan, but if datisi and mala are scum, they probably were just winging it and datisi was trying to make mala seem more townie than she was, or didn't realize just how not townie she was in her opening posts.

maybe i shouldn't be so picky and Ari -> Roden or Roden -> Ari just wins us the game. it could be fire but i'm not as convinced as the other two, but maybe i should take a closer look.

[fireisredsir]

i did notice that while ari's frustration at times did feel genuine, it was often when assumptions were made about what she would do if datisi were town. i don't really want to read into that side of things too much/guess about what was real or faked bc uncomfy but i can see a world where she would be frustrated in that situation as scum. idk

datisi seeming frustrated that people (skitter i think?) read the early interaction between him/ari as weird overall instead of just weird on ari's side does kinda line up with a world where they were aiming to leave ari out

happy birthday!!

[Save The Dragons]

thank you

[Aristeia]

happy birthday fen

[Aristeia]

i guess the simplest way i can explain my fire read is;

every one of his actions are directly helping the scumside win

and he is also self conscious and aware of this so he does it in a way thats just sneaky

[fireisredsir]

i think that describes most of my town games sadly

[Aristeia]

nope

in your town games you are unaware that you are scumsiding so you come off as extremely pure and not sneaky

[fireisredsir]

in the past i had more faith in my own abilities

i do think ive done a p good job of figuring out when im wrong and who i should listen to instead, i don't need to be the hero for us to win

[Save The Dragons]

thank you

[fireisredsir]

i should have listened to skitter more early tho i regret that ):

[Aristeia]

the indignation could come from scum who's plan got derailed when they had to put both of them on the coalition. she blames datisi as a way of distancing, but also more treating datisi as town using words like "misflip" like there's no consideration about datisi being scum.

the indignation comes because she accused me of not wanting to sheep her when I was very clear I wanted to sheep her.

I used the word "misflip" because that is the word skitter used in the post that I am addressing.

[Aristeia]

like she came up with this world where scum!me sets up Datisi to be the fall guy to misflip when the coalition fails.

this is pretty much never my plan if I am scum because it is incredibly hard to misflip town!datisi

also he convinced me to join his coalition, I did not convince him to join my coalition so she didn't even get who was pulling who into a coalition correct.

[Aristeia]

1056 she goes back into a tr of datisi to help cover it up if scum!ari

1056 was written for skitter who requested my read of Dats;

Are how confident are u in town-dats?

I think if you want to be the leader here you should put the reads you feel confident in.

I have

a lot of thoughts

about Dats and I'm not sure how helpful it will be for you to read them but I can write them down if you want me to.

I'm not confident I can find scum!him.

It just took a long time to write out and think through for me.

[Aristeia]

I do miss him though.

[Ydrasse]

VOTECOUNT 4.1

[1] fireisredsir:

Aristeia

[1] Roden:

Roden

[3] Not Voting:

fireisredsir, Save the Dragons, bloodhail

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate!

The deadline is in (expired on 2022-05-31 17:55:49).

MOD NOTES

- lmk if there are mistakes and HAVE FUN!!!!

- clicky here for joined mod iso.

[bloodhail]

i can't get over posts like this though:

fen is it over?

this is what i mean by feeling genuine and it's hard to believe she's lying

i'll be honest posts like this are trivially easy for someone of even modest experience to fake, they don't do a whole lot for me

[bloodhail]

VOTE: aristeia

don't have a ton more to say. i'm not thrilled by roden's last post but if you vote him out today and he's town i probably just just vote fire tomorrow