Pretty standard post. NAI.In post 6, Save The Dragons wrote:first
Self-vote, but... traitors aren't here.
RVS vote
What did you mean by that, over90?In post 10, over90 wrote:deserter to be fair
Slightly scummy because of the way this is phrased.In post 11, mq.bosco wrote:Self-voting is always anti-town, no?
Not sure here. NAI?In post 12, RCEnigma wrote:VOTE: Dannflor
As a psychologist I believe Schadd's fear of bees is actually a euphemism for his stance on work culture in capitalist societies at large.
Why?
Scummy.
Heh. Dunno.In post 16, Save The Dragons wrote:more votes on you?
A bit over the top here.In post 17, over90 wrote:let's make short days (about 1 hour), go go go
Noted.In post 18, Enchant wrote:I am in Masonry with MonkeyMan576, Carcalilly and takotsubo syndrome.
Interesting phrasing. NAI?In post 19, RCEnigma wrote:Monkeymen aren't real.
Noted.
NAI? I don't like this though.
Hmmmm... not sure here.
This is the first vote after the self-vote and it is RVS style. Not a good look.
Is it?In post 24, Carcalilly wrote:This is clearly sheepable VOTE: DannflorIn post 12, RCEnigma wrote:VOTE: Dannflor
As a psychologist I believe Schadd's fear of bees is actually a euphemism for his stance on work culture in capitalist societies at large.
RVS vote. But an unannounced sheep of a wagon. Is this really NAI?
RVS vote.
K. NAI?
I’ll be back later.Good post.
Not good post. Scummy.
This doesn't look like a RVS post. What caused these vibes?In post 30, Gamma Emerald wrote:eyes opened wider
no bitterness remaining
vibes are well aligned
VOTE: ItalianoVD
What’s up, doc?
Complaining about gamestate isn't towny.
Heh. You saw that too, didn't you?In post 32, NashedPotato wrote:VOTE: Bosco yesIn post 11, mq.bosco wrote:Self-voting is always anti-town, no?
Hmmmmm why's that crazy?In post 33, RCEnigma wrote:Crazy that 12 people have posted and only 2 are town.
backtrack. I do not like that.In post 34, RCEnigma wrote:Maybe enchant too.
Easy question, but not scum indicative.In post 35, over90 wrote:who?In post 33, RCEnigma wrote:Crazy that 12 people have posted and only 2 are town.
Hmmm.In post 36, RCEnigma wrote:Me and JV
What why?In post 37, RCEnigma wrote:Bosco scum might make you town
In post 38, over90 wrote:who is JV?
Minimal posting.In post 39, RCEnigma wrote:Potato
What does that mean? Hurry? That doesn't make a lot of sense.In post 40, over90 wrote:don't hurry about bosco
Panicked scum defending for something that didn't need to be defended?In post 41, over90 wrote:it was sound like provocation, nothing serious
Noted. Towny if true.In post 42, ItalianoVD wrote:Eh, but I’m lazy.
Oblivious that that was a real scumread. Hmmm towny?In post 43, ItalianoVD wrote:Yooo what up again?!In post 30, Gamma Emerald wrote:eyes opened wider
no bitterness remaining
vibes are well aligned
VOTE: ItalianoVD
What’s up, doc?
![:]](./images/smilies/icon_smiling.png "Cheerful Smile"){kind=icon}
That's not really a firework.In post 44, Nero Cain wrote:I was gonna say this game will be lit but it'll prob be a lurkfest. At least I provide my own fireworks.
ItalianoVD
Where does this line of reasoning come from?In post 46, SirCakez wrote:Seems like Nero is pre apologizing for being scum
In post 47, Nero Cain wrote:Is that something you actually believe b/c that seems like a silly thought.
Scummy post. Don't defend others by pre-emptively answering for them.In post 48, Gamma Emerald wrote:Seems like Nero was trying to read the room, not give a raodmap of his own activityIn post 46, SirCakez wrote:Seems like Nero is pre apologizing for being scum
NAI for now.
Tsk. Tsk. Anti-town but only time will tell if this is coming from scum.In post 50, Carcalilly wrote:anyone give me two good reasons why I should make you a double voter and I will
Votegrabbing?
Sus. You don't want others to get doublevotes.. unless they are your partners or your major townreads...In post 52, DeasVail wrote:That’s pretty compelling honestly
....what?
The mechanics discussion begins.
In post 55, ItalianoVD wrote:1) I’m the best at a.c.e.In post 50, Carcalilly wrote:anyone give me two good reasons why I should make you a double voter and I will
2) I’m a fun guy
Seriously?
Why say the obvious?In post 57, Nero Cain wrote:no
Why did you shade here, Nero?
Hmmmm is this a counter-shade or why did you post this, over?
Great, scums favourite type of read.
In post 61, over90 wrote:like force from starwars
I can feel the dark side inside him
and im not a sith, so...
In post 62, Nero Cain wrote:4 in a 16 yeah
Noted again.In post 64, DeasVail wrote:Oh I’m ascetic
Doesn't like the mechanics discussion. Why?In post 65, DeasVail wrote:We could talk about that if people want
In post 66, over90 wrote:DeasVail - or maybe this one is mafia
Noted.In post 67, over90 wrote:my activity will be low next couple of days
Nero do you like low power setups?
This is quite scummy. Shade towards neg utility (Possible vs probable)In post 70, Nero Cain wrote:prob b/c its pretty basic to be wary of a neg utility claim b/c every once in a while scum do claim one and skate by.
day is young but I already want to kill half this thread. I really am a roman emporer!
Hmmm is this a retracting of the claim?In post 71, DeasVail wrote:I should have claimed something more exciting like PGO instead. Damn
Correct. Another reason to scumread Nero.In post 72, NashedPotato wrote:I don't recall asking you. You may have given them a free way out of answering it properly.In post 70, Nero Cain wrote:prob b/c its pretty basic to be wary of a neg utility claim b/c every once in a while scum do claim one and skate by.
day is young but I already want to kill half this thread. I really am a roman emporer!
Fluff. NAI.In post 73, NashedPotato wrote:Flashbacks to claiming PGO as a SK in my first normal in lategame and getting yeeted bc it isn't normal validIn post 71, DeasVail wrote:I should have claimed something more exciting like PGO instead. Damn
Pocket?In post 74, DeasVail wrote:Oh no! That’s awful.In post 73, NashedPotato wrote:Flashbacks to claiming PGO as a SK in my first normal in lategame and getting yeeted bc it isn't normal validIn post 71, DeasVail wrote:I should have claimed something more exciting like PGO instead. DamnI can’t keep up with what’s normal and what’s not nowadays. There used to be freedom for mods to put an additional 1-2 roles in. In fact, I think I may have even modded a large normal with a PGO back in the day.
—
Anyway I have a few light townreads so far but no one is really jumping out at me in a negative way. Not getting the same bloodlust as a few others seem to be.
We don't?In post 75, over90 wrote:go elim std, i have no other thoughts rn, bc we have almost no info here rn
Defending a nullread, overzealous. SUS.In post 76, DeasVail wrote:I mean, STD is really not inspiring me much either way rn. Limming him would feel pretty premature.
In post 77, Gamma Emerald wrote:Anything reflexive is considered not normalIn post 74, DeasVail wrote:Oh no! That’s awful.In post 73, NashedPotato wrote:Flashbacks to claiming PGO as a SK in my first normal in lategame and getting yeeted bc it isn't normal validIn post 71, DeasVail wrote:I should have claimed something more exciting like PGO instead. Damn
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Anyway I have a few light townreads so far but no one is really jumping out at me in a negative way. Not getting the same bloodlust as a few others seem to be.
PGO is essentially a reflexive vig
In post 78, DeasVail wrote:Thanks Gamma. That makes sense!
In post 80, Save The Dragons wrote:Why
and then you vote italiano regardless?? Why?
Possible.
Why am I down there?In post 83, Carcalilly wrote:ItalianoVD
RCEnigma
Dannflor
KittyTacky
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
DeasVail
SirCakez
Save The Dragons
over90
mq.bosco
Carcalilly
takotsubo syndrome
NashedPotato
Enchant
pray for the godsnipe readlist
2 of those are totally serious rn actually
Not Known 15
In post 84, NashedPotato wrote:In what sense
In post 85, Nero Cain wrote:JV, you are asking the silliest questions right now....
Good point.In post 86, Nero Cain wrote:y not? its p4 and you are concerned about a wagon on ???? players lolIn post 80, Save The Dragons wrote:Why
In post 87, RCEnigma wrote:I was gonna ask it as a general q but I guess I'll ask you directly carca. Would scum!you throw that bait out and immediately reel it back in by not scumreading over90?
In post 88, RCEnigma wrote:Nero what do you think about gamma?
In post 89, NashedPotato wrote:I moved account for a reason, please don't call me JV anymore.In post 85, Nero Cain wrote:JV, you are asking the silliest questions right now....
In post 90, NashedPotato wrote:And isn't a silly question at all, because if it were TMI it'd be scum leaking another scum which is not what they seem to be reading into considering their attempted "godsnipe" of a read-list.
why do you not understand this at this time?In post 91, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wdym
A bit exaggeration here...
In post 93, ItalianoVD wrote:I knew it.In post 81, Carcalilly wrote:his reasons were pretty solid tho ngl
In post 94, over90 wrote:I'm a pretty good sniper according to my loreIn post 83, Carcalilly wrote:pray for the godsnipe readlist
Strange question.In post 95, Nero Cain wrote:y is this not town Nero?
In post 96, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: carca
I don't like 82
Nero in response to a few pages ago I was being silly
why's that scummy?In post 97, Nero Cain wrote:cakes with the scummy move of voting my dv enabler
Why go for funny? Is this something you believe or not?In post 98, Nero Cain wrote:in a not so surprising note, I don't really like him that much.In post 88, RCEnigma wrote:Nero what do you think about gamma?
Didn't really like his soft defense of me in VOTE: 48 and I think his thought that there could be 3 scum is laughable. Would be funny if he was scum that slipped that his team was 3 wich means there'd be a traitor and guy true claimed his traitor role.
In post 99, KittyTacky wrote:I waited so long for this game to start. Exams?
Anyways, I remember playing with a large chunk of the player list.
It isn't RVS anymore. Scummy.
In post 101, KittyTacky wrote:Yeah I don't feel this Nero is particularly similar to his town play.
Partners?In post 102, KittyTacky wrote:I won't vote him so early, but I'll scrutinize his posts more.
Partners??
In post 104, Save The Dragons wrote:I'm a jester
Interesting post, but all based on meta without backing it up.In post 106, ItalianoVD wrote:I know town!Nero And all this right here...In post 95, Nero Cain wrote:y is this not town Nero?
Spoiler:
...ain't it.
So yeah you are SCUM!! You die today!
Eh. Easy post.In post 107, ItalianoVD wrote:All the more reason for you to get voted fypov.
In post 108, NashedPotato wrote:Nero & O90 team? :O
In post 109, Nero Cain wrote:you ARE a rauthe alt right?
In post 111, Nero Cain wrote:VD
True.In post 112, NashedPotato wrote:I'm not following a meta-read of someone I am unaware the meta of and I am by no means going to put trust into someone that could very well be scum and just throw off a miselim as "oh guess I was wrong this time".In post 106, ItalianoVD wrote:I know town!Nero And all this right here...In post 95, Nero Cain wrote:y is this not town Nero?
Spoiler:
...ain't it.
So yeah you are SCUM!! You die today!
If this is serious, make a case on them based on the current game as people who do not know nero that much can actually add onto the case, refute some points etc. Actual team style deduction, ya know?
In post 113, Nero Cain wrote:you've played with me like 3 or 4 times or was this about VD? Also you seem like you are scum reading me in 108, no?In post 112, NashedPotato wrote:I'm not following a meta-read of someone I am unaware the meta of
Ok...In post 114, NashedPotato wrote:Maybe months, if not nearly a year ago. I had a decent time off of the site, nor do I remember how many people play except those that I talk with on a regular basis and even then I try not to meta-read as it's almost useless to say, nobody is going to follow a read that they also cannot follow and meta is an easy way to just cherry pick information.In post 113, Nero Cain wrote:you've played with me like 3 or 4 times or was this about VD? Also you seem like you are scum reading me in 108, no?In post 112, NashedPotato wrote:I'm not following a meta-read of someone I am unaware the meta of
It's a terrible route to go down.
Backtrack. Hmmm.In post 115, NashedPotato wrote:Maybe as a supplementary case but definitely not anywhere near primary.
What about their tone is off?In post 116, NashedPotato wrote:As a joke. I believe O90's tone is off so I do think they are scum at this momentIn post 113, Nero Cain wrote:you've played with me like 3 or 4 times or was this about VD? Also you seem like you are scum reading me in 108, no?In post 112, NashedPotato wrote:I'm not following a meta-read of someone I am unaware the meta of
A bit evasive, why no push, why is this so toned down?In post 117, Nero Cain wrote:ngl but this line seems weird and worrisome to me. You've never expressed any suspicion of VD so it comes across a bit like distancing to me.In post 112, NashedPotato wrote:going to put trust into someone that could very well be scum
... which says that you are not townreading them, at least. Why did that one not... hmm scum?In post 118, NashedPotato wrote:The line is stating that I'm not just going to believe somebody's word just because they said it. I have no realistic way to verify meta, and thus it's just me either trusting or not trusting their word. Which I am not doingIn post 117, Nero Cain wrote:ngl but this line seems weird and worrisome to me. You've never expressed any suspicion of VD so it comes across a bit like distancing to me.In post 112, NashedPotato wrote:going to put trust into someone that could very well be scum
I don't think that those two are aligned as scum.In post 120, Enchant wrote:In post 98, Nero Cain wrote:Would be funny if he was scum that slipped that his team was 3 wich means there'd be a traitor and guy true claimed his traitor role.In post 88, RCEnigma wrote:Nero what do you think about gamma?
If you are bad with jokes, i transform in boring language.
Mod directly stated Psychologist, Ninja and Traitor can't exist in this game.
In post 122, Nero Cain wrote:ok kool. Still think the 3 in a 16 is dumb though.
?In post 123, NashedPotato wrote:It is, probably. But who knows, scum might be packin' heat.In post 122, Nero Cain wrote:ok kool. Still think the 3 in a 16 is dumb though.
Good point.In post 124, Nero Cain wrote:Spoiler:
Honestly, this feels like a lazy OMGUS case where you just when through my ISO and put down "scumNero does this, scumNero does that."
This is way off the mark.In post 125, KittyTacky wrote:I can't even think of what would make 13:3 balanced. Scum vig? Multiple roleblockers? Multiple-shot neighborizer?In post 123, NashedPotato wrote:It is, probably. But who knows, scum might be packin' heat.In post 122, Nero Cain wrote:ok kool. Still think the 3 in a 16 is dumb though.
Don't like this, why should kitty do that? Scummy.In post 126, Nero Cain wrote:so kitty r u gonna engage me or are you just trying to keep me at arms length?
In post 128, Not Known 15 wrote:You have no idea on what balance is, apparently.In post 125, KittyTacky wrote:I can't even think of what would make 13:3 balanced. Scum vig? Multiple roleblockers? Multiple-shot neighborizer?In post 123, NashedPotato wrote:It is, probably. But who knows, scum might be packin' heat.In post 122, Nero Cain wrote:ok kool. Still think the 3 in a 16 is dumb though.
No, but low power is also not that common in larges.In post 129, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, all those 3 scum in a 16 player is a really common setup. get real, NK15
In post 130, Not Known 15 wrote:I am merely telling you that you shouldn't dismiss 3 in 16 because it is a perfectly reasonable distribution.In post 129, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, all those 3 scum in a 16 player is a really common setup. get real, NK15
Hates setup spec.In post 131, NashedPotato wrote:Can we just not delve into setup spec when we have literally zero information as a whole.
Ok, no setup spec please...In post 132, RCEnigma wrote:I speak through the potato.
.... then talk about setup spec? Why?In post 133, RCEnigma wrote:This is funnier having been in an Nk15 setup like this.In post 129, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, all those 3 scum in a 16 player is a really common setup. get real, NK15
Huh? Why? What?In post 134, RCEnigma wrote:3in 16 holds more weight if enchant wasn't trolling about their hood. But it's just noise right now.
Weirdly though nk looks sketchy with a good and without.
It happens.In post 135, RCEnigma wrote:The more people post the more scumreads I have.In post 102, KittyTacky wrote:I won't vote him so early, but I'll scrutinize his posts more.
Strawman. Scummy.In post 136, RCEnigma wrote:Just on the basis that I know for a fact this isn't true I'm inclined to say this case has no legs.In post 106, ItalianoVD wrote:town!nero doesn't "want to kill half the thread"!
You don't like meta?In post 138, Carcalilly wrote:ew, metagaming
Why's that a cardinal sin?In post 139, KittyTacky wrote:Do you really expect me to try to case you on page 6? I don't case people this early.In post 126, Nero Cain wrote:so kitty r u gonna engage me or are you just trying to keep me at arms length?
Balance here would be offsetting a severely outnumbered mafia by giving them a ton of power. But I doubt it's 13:3.Not Known 15 wrote:You have no idea on what balance is, apparently.In post 125, KittyTacky wrote:I can't even think of what would make 13:3 balanced. Scum vig? Multiple roleblockers? Multiple-shot neighborizer?In post 123, NashedPotato wrote:It is, probably. But who knows, scum might be packin' heat.In post 122, Nero Cain wrote:ok kool. Still think the 3 in a 16 is dumb though.
The cardinal sin of waiting for more posts from a player before seeing whether to commit to a read or not.RCEnigma wrote:The more people post the more scumreads I have.In post 102, KittyTacky wrote:I won't vote him so early, but I'll scrutinize his posts more.
In post 140, RCEnigma wrote:The post only exists to paint Nero in a worse light with no elaboration or catalyst. Dare I say I think that's shade?
But yeah it comes off like "hey I think Nero is shady....so if anyone wants to wagon that for me, that'd be great."
Except it's not great.
Why are these slots slimy? What do you mean by that?In post 141, RCEnigma wrote:I will note I'm doing a lot of Nero defending and I don't even townread them. The slots coming at him are just being slimy.
whynakedvoteslightlysus.
And it is still BS. But it might come from town that doesn't know balance/mechanics.In post 143, Not Known 15 wrote:BS.VOTE: KittyTackyIn post 139, KittyTacky wrote:Balance here would be offsetting a severely outnumbered mafia by giving them a ton of power. But I doubt it's 13:3.
True.... but easy.In post 144, Nero Cain wrote:no, but you said that you didn't think that this was similar to my town game and you could use words to back that statement up. Odc you can just say you were sheeping VD.In post 139, KittyTacky wrote:Do you really expect me to try to case you on page 6? I don't case people this early.
you are being hesitant. It's also early game and I'm nowhere near elimination range...the whole "I need to see whether to commit" sounds like a fence sit.In post 139, KittyTacky wrote:The cardinal sin of waiting for more posts from a player before seeing whether to commit to a read or not.
Good effort. Towny.In post 146, Gamma Emerald wrote:Click the PM button on the post
Cut/copy the message contents
Post it in the desired thread
Ok.In post 147, Nero Cain wrote:the last 5 large normals have beenIn post 133, RCEnigma wrote:This is funnier having been in an Nk15 setup like this.In post 129, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, all those 3 scum in a 16 player is a really common setup. get real, NK15
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987 5/19 (or 4.5 depending on your views on traitor)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88192 3/15
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720 4/16
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87368 4/17
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86774 4/16
Obviously, there are going to be games that buck the trend but more times than not its
3 scum in a 13 player
4 scum in 14-21
5 or more scum in 21+
So I think the safe assumption is that it'll be 4 scum but it's not really an important point
Yep.In post 148, takotsubo syndrome wrote:This is sketchy.In post 48, Gamma Emerald wrote:Seems like Nero was trying to read the room, not give a raodmap of his own activityIn post 46, SirCakez wrote:Seems like Nero is pre apologizing for being scum
Feels like you are defending him instead of letting him defend himself.
Explain this.In post 149, ItalianoVD wrote:I am. What's that mean to you?In post 109, Nero Cain wrote:you ARE a rauthe alt right?
Messed up post messes up when quoting.In post 150, Nero Cain wrote:just making sure. Your play just seems so different. Not sure if that's an alt thing or an alignment thing.
hmmm.In post 152, ItalianoVD wrote:Geez I completely messed that up...
Spoiler:
A joke? Yeah, no, I'm not buying that. You originally threw him out with over90. What was the reason you did that?
What does that mean?In post 153, ItalianoVD wrote:Well Rathe is a complete antithesis to how I truly play, but the foundation has always remained the same.In post 150, Nero Cain wrote:just making sure. Your play just seems so different. Not sure if that's an alt thing or an alignment thing.
In post 154, ItalianoVD wrote:I don't care about OMGUS, I think you're scum. Even though there hasn't been much of anything in this game so far, I feel town!you would've done more by now.In post 124, Nero Cain wrote:Spoiler:
Honestly, this feels like a lazy OMGUS case where you just when through my ISO and put down "scumNero does this, scumNero does that."
In post 155, Nero Cain wrote:that's trash reasoning
In post 157, Nero Cain wrote:and sort of a backtrack? Your case on me was meta and it's been proven wrong and no one besides Kitty is following it and now your case is that I haven't done enough. Where was that reasoning earlier?
In post 158, ItalianoVD wrote:In post 136, RCEnigma wrote:Just on the basis that I know for a fact this isn't true I'm inclined to say this case has no legs.In post 106, ItalianoVD wrote:town!nero doesn't "want to kill half the thread"!That game had more content, this game, not so much. You've played with Nero, do you townlean him right now?
In post 160, KittyTacky wrote:The catalyst was Italiano's case.In post 140, RCEnigma wrote:The post only exists to paint Nero in a worse light with no elaboration or catalyst. Dare I say I think that's shade?
But yeah it comes off like "hey I think Nero is shady....so if anyone wants to wagon that for me, that'd be great."
Except it's not great.
So 13:3 isn't tilted in town's favor? I don't understand what's BS here. Kinda sketchy NGL.Not Known 15 wrote:BS.VOTE: KittyTackyIn post 139, KittyTacky wrote:Balance here would be offsetting a severely outnumbered mafia by giving them a ton of power. But I doubt it's 13:3.
1. Yeah I was sheeping Italiano for the most part. I'll admit it. Though I also get a different vibe from your play this game. It's hard to explain.Nero Cain wrote:no, but you said that you didn't think that this was similar to my town game and you could use words to back that statement up. Odc you can just say you were sheeping VD.In post 139, KittyTacky wrote:Do you really expect me to try to case you on page 6? I don't case people this early.
you are being hesitant. It's also early game and I'm nowhere near elimination range...the whole "I need to see whether to commit" sounds like a fence sit.In post 139, KittyTacky wrote:The cardinal sin of waiting for more posts from a player before seeing whether to commit to a read or not.
2. What's wrong with just being somewhat cautious this early?
In post 161, ItalianoVD wrote:Probably by your partner RC.In post 157, Nero Cain wrote:and sort of a backtrack? Your case on me was meta and it's been proven wrong and no one besides Kitty is following it and now your case is that I haven't done enough. Where was that reasoning earlier?
They quoted one thing "town!nero doesn't want to kill half the thread" and threw out the rest of what I posted. Uh uh
I think Italiano looks like scum looking for an easy mislim(Nero). Their case is built on sand, and not in a way I'd expect from a wrong town. It is just too wrong.In post 162, ItalianoVD wrote:Wrong.In post 157, Nero Cain wrote:and now your case is that I haven't done enough.
where's that coming from, nowhere? Scummy.
ok I need to stop re-read for now.
So far:
over90 is scum.
ItalianoVD is scum.
RCE is scum.
No longer seeing tako.
Nero is lhf town.
VOTE: ItalianoVD
@everyone Please answer the questions in this post.
