In post 134, Alianna wrote:Sure.
I really wouldn't want to eliminate anyone at that point in the game because if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and if I'm right, we don't have much for associatives.
But if I had to, probably Tidus. He's lurked a lot, and 110 was very low-effort and basically a restatement of what was already discussed.
No offense Tidus. I’m ok with some pressure votes on you. I forgot your slot even exsisted until FG brought your name up.
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
In post 126, Roden wrote:I think it's safe to assume that giving scum info about town PRs was considered anti-town play even a decade ago.
Is this the part where you double down on your pressure vote and turn it into a scum case?
I’d be curious to your thoughts on the reasons hutmeil is being TR by others and where you stand on that
I'll have further things to say on Hutmeil when they respond and offer more content.
Hutmeil is getting town read because no one really wants to rock the boat in newbie games. It's easier to defend someone than attack them, it typically gets you town read and lessens attention on yourself compared to those who go on the offensive. People are going to criticize Hut's play but hesitate to vote there, since they're giving off the appearance of a clueless townie.
Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.
I say this having done that as scum. It's a consistently solid strategy to just play passively and town read volatile townies while town cannablizes itself for you.
In post 146, takotsubo syndrome wrote:I also am going out on a limb and stating that I have never seen roden go out guns blazing like he is right now.
I have really soft townreads and not a lot of scum reads, but I wish my soft townreads I was more confident in bc I’m not
Hmmm...
In post 152, Malakittens wrote:No offense Tidus. I’m ok with some pressure votes on you. I forgot your slot even exsisted until FG brought your name up.
In post 155, takotsubo syndrome wrote:Yeah, I’m the alt. I was trying out a new account for an experiment.
That lasted not that long…
In post 126, Roden wrote:I think it's safe to assume that giving scum info about town PRs was considered anti-town play even a decade ago.
Is this the part where you double down on your pressure vote and turn it into a scum case?
I’d be curious to your thoughts on the reasons hutmeil is being TR by others and where you stand on that
I'll have further things to say on Hutmeil when they respond and offer more content.
Hutmeil is getting town read because no one really wants to rock the boat in newbie games. It's easier to defend someone than attack them, it typically gets you town read and lessens attention on yourself compared to those who go on the offensive. People are going to criticize Hut's play but hesitate to vote there, since they're giving off the appearance of a clueless townie.
Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.
This is an interesting point. My initial response is that you earlier scumread Hutmeil and backed it up, but now seem to be acknowledging that they're townread. Do you now think they're town, or am I wrongly inferring that?
You say regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, but scum can only 'white knight' a town player, surely?
In post 71, Alianna wrote:Also, irrelevant, but this is the slowest D1 I have ever endured. It's taken us around 3 days to get near the end of the third page. The other games I've been in reached this point in a matter of hours.
Slight townlean from this post.
I think town is much more frustrated with inactivity than scum. Scum thrives on town apathy.
The frustration feels genuine to me.
I just really hope you are scum thats fishing for reactions right now, but at least if you are town you will be learning a good experience for the future to never really point out stuff like this and drag it on because it helps scum aid in finding who the PR's are based on reactions.
I respectfully disagree. Town is at a disadvantage because of lack of information. One of the most logical ways to counter this is to bring information to the forefront. Sometimes this means role revealing if it has to come to that. But right now since it's still Day 1 we don't have to do so.
Has everyone sounded off already?
Role revealing is generally only a good idea if you're at E-1 with intent to hammer, there's a massclaim, or you have crucial information (like a cop guilty). Otherwise, it's anti-town to discuss roles.
In post 68, whiskey delta wrote:hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that
@hutmeil
?
Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though
VOTE: Roden
Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).
Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.
Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:
UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome
VOTE: Roden
If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.
On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.
Neither Mason nor FN work in this way. Alianna was joking that she is mafia. I like your notes though
Please enlighten me on how these roles work.
Masons - are confirmed as town to each other and share a PT.
FN - targets one player each night, the targeted player is informed that the FN is town.
If it still isn't clear, you can read the sample role PMs in 2.
And now I would like to cease the role discussion.
Interesting.
Thanks for the role infos, that's exactly how I understood them.
My vote stays.
Additionally, this implies that you're only voting me because I voted you, and that you did so because I had more momentum on my wagon than the other person who suspects you, which makes it an opportunistic vote.
@Roden what made you feel your wagon had more momentum?
I just really hope you are scum thats fishing for reactions right now, but at least if you are town you will be learning a good experience for the future to never really point out stuff like this and drag it on because it helps scum aid in finding who the PR's are based on reactions.
I respectfully disagree. Town is at a disadvantage because of lack of information. One of the most logical ways to counter this is to bring information to the forefront. Sometimes this means role revealing if it has to come to that. But right now since it's still Day 1 we don't have to do so.
Has everyone sounded off already?
Role revealing is generally only a good idea if you're at E-1 with intent to hammer, there's a massclaim, or you have crucial information (like a cop guilty). Otherwise, it's anti-town to discuss roles.
In post 68, whiskey delta wrote:hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that
@hutmeil
?
Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though
VOTE: Roden
Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).
Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.
Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:
UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome
VOTE: Roden
If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.
On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.
Neither Mason nor FN work in this way. Alianna was joking that she is mafia. I like your notes though
Please enlighten me on how these roles work.
Masons - are confirmed as town to each other and share a PT.
FN - targets one player each night, the targeted player is informed that the FN is town.
If it still isn't clear, you can read the sample role PMs in 2.
And now I would like to cease the role discussion.
Interesting.
Thanks for the role infos, that's exactly how I understood them.
My vote stays.
Additionally, this implies that you're only voting me because I voted you, and that you did so because I had more momentum on my wagon than the other person who suspects you, which makes it an opportunistic vote.
@Alianna sure. I do. But before I do, who would you eliminate right now if you theoretically had the hammer right now as at post 117?
72, please share those thoughts now.
I hope my answer is relevant to whatever you're going to say. We can't really afford to wait to share thoughts in this gamestate.
