Newbie 2095 | Game over

[Roden]

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

I don’t know when hutmeil plans on responding or if it matters, so I’m just going to say what I was going to say.
It could be sus that they assumed I was talking about a town role, but the two possibilities were that furtive and I were masons and that furtive is FN who somehow informed me pregame.
FN can only exist in column B and masons can only exist in A and C, so this might be an indication that they don’t know what column we’re in (therefore town).
Sure, they could have fabricated that, but I think if they were approaching it strategically they’d realize I could be claiming scum.

Do you mean this post?

[furtiveglance]

I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?

It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.

Greeting

: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Malakittens

: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!

hutmeil

: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.

whiskey delta

: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.

Alianna

: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.

72offsuit

: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.

Tidus of the X

: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.

Roden

: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.

Any thoughts appreciated.

I only just recently said anything about meta...after someone else brought it up. This is a blatant misrep, but I'll give you time to correct yourself in case you were just mistaken.

Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie.

Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.

I say this having done that as scum. It's a consistently solid strategy to just play passively and town read volatile townies while town cannablizes itself for you.

Also, scum can white knight each other, because unless the town knows who the exact scum team is, no one can tell the difference between white knighting and defending a partner.

You agree that it isn't in my scum meta to go "guns blazing", yet you still voted me?

This is what I'm talking about Roden.

[Roden]

I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?

It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.

Greeting

: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Malakittens

: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!

hutmeil

: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.

whiskey delta

: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.

Alianna

: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.

72offsuit

: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.

Tidus of the X

: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.

Roden

: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.

Any thoughts appreciated.

I only just recently said anything about meta...after someone else brought it up. This is a blatant misrep, but I'll give you time to correct yourself in case you were just mistaken.

Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie.

Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.

I say this having done that as scum. It's a consistently solid strategy to just play passively and town read volatile townies while town cannablizes itself for you.

Also, scum can white knight each other, because unless the town knows who the exact scum team is, no one can tell the difference between white knighting and defending a partner.

You agree that it isn't in my scum meta to go "guns blazing", yet you still voted me?

This is what I'm talking about Roden.

You're bringing up recent posts, like I said.

What is post 55 supposed to be?

[Alianna]

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

I don’t know when hutmeil plans on responding or if it matters, so I’m just going to say what I was going to say.
It could be sus that they assumed I was talking about a town role, but the two possibilities were that furtive and I were masons and that furtive is FN who somehow informed me pregame.
FN can only exist in column B and masons can only exist in A and C, so this might be an indication that they don’t know what column we’re in (therefore town).
Sure, they could have fabricated that, but I think if they were approaching it strategically they’d realize I could be claiming scum.

Do you mean this post?

Yeah. Should have quoted. furtive has mentioned they disagree with people's townreads on me for 79. It's fine if they don't want to TR me for it but they've wrongly (perhaps even suspiciously?) framed it as just mech spec with no analysis.

[Alianna]

I'll ISO everyone and make a readslist probably tonight.

[Roden]

Furtive is likely scum, if Hutmeil is town then they're white knighting them. They never really gave a reason for why they town read them, at most just saying they like Hut's notes (which are notably anti-town). Early posts also pinged me since it felt like they were trying too hard to be pleasant and approachable. I also just think it's strange in general that they implied they know me and how I play, but then tried to chastise me for talking about my playstyle and general scum strategies. Additionally also just bad form to shut down discussion about how scum will try to play the game, especially in a newbie game where it's probably the most pertinent to discuss.

VOTE: furtiveglance

[furtiveglance]

I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?

It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.

Greeting

: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Malakittens

: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!

hutmeil

: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.

whiskey delta

: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.

Alianna

: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.

72offsuit

: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.

Tidus of the X

: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.

Roden

: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.

Any thoughts appreciated.

I only just recently said anything about meta...after someone else brought it up. This is a blatant misrep, but I'll give you time to correct yourself in case you were just mistaken.

Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie.

Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.

I say this having done that as scum. It's a consistently solid strategy to just play passively and town read volatile townies while town cannablizes itself for you.

Also, scum can white knight each other, because unless the town knows who the exact scum team is, no one can tell the difference between white knighting and defending a partner.

You agree that it isn't in my scum meta to go "guns blazing", yet you still voted me?

This is what I'm talking about Roden.

You're bringing up recent posts, like I said.

What is post 55 supposed to be?

It's all you looking at the game from mafia's POV, what scum would do etc.

[Roden]

I have early townleans on whiskey delta and hutmeil. I don't think anyone else has earned one yet.

These are pocket attempts. No explanations for the town reads.

I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

This is even worse, and is legitimately a scum tell. Scum like to town read multiple slots early on since it makes people not want to vote them. Another bonus is that you can just change your mind later on with the excuse that your reads would naturally develop as the game progressed.

Some players love dismissing others as limbait town and really labouring the point as scum. I'm not accusing Alianna of doing this, it's just something I've seen before.

This heavily contradicts their current viewpoint and their argument against me.

[Roden]

I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?

It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.

Greeting

: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Malakittens

: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!

hutmeil

: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.

whiskey delta

: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.

Alianna

: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.

72offsuit

: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.

Tidus of the X

: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.

Roden

: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.

Any thoughts appreciated.

I only just recently said anything about meta...after someone else brought it up. This is a blatant misrep, but I'll give you time to correct yourself in case you were just mistaken.

Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie.

Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.

I say this having done that as scum. It's a consistently solid strategy to just play passively and town read volatile townies while town cannablizes itself for you.

Also, scum can white knight each other, because unless the town knows who the exact scum team is, no one can tell the difference between white knighting and defending a partner.

You agree that it isn't in my scum meta to go "guns blazing", yet you still voted me?

This is what I'm talking about Roden.

You're bringing up recent posts, like I said.

What is post 55 supposed to be?

It's all you looking at the game from mafia's POV, what scum would do etc.

Yes, and? Are you claiming that scum will publicly tell everyone that they're scum and what their current POV of the game is?

[furtiveglance]

Furtive is likely scum, if Hutmeil is town then they're white knighting them. They never really gave a reason for why they town read them, at most just saying they like Hut's notes (which are notably anti-town). Early posts also pinged me since it felt like they were trying too hard to be pleasant and approachable. I also just think it's strange in general that they implied they know me and how I play, but then tried to chastise me for talking about my playstyle and general scum strategies. Additionally also just bad form to shut down discussion about how scum will try to play the game, especially in a newbie game where it's probably the most pertinent to discuss.

VOTE: furtiveglance

This seems sudden to say the least.

No luck pushing hutmeil?

[Roden]

Furtive is likely scum, if Hutmeil is town then they're white knighting them. They never really gave a reason for why they town read them, at most just saying they like Hut's notes (which are notably anti-town). Early posts also pinged me since it felt like they were trying too hard to be pleasant and approachable. I also just think it's strange in general that they implied they know me and how I play, but then tried to chastise me for talking about my playstyle and general scum strategies. Additionally also just bad form to shut down discussion about how scum will try to play the game, especially in a newbie game where it's probably the most pertinent to discuss.

VOTE: furtiveglance

This seems sudden to say the least.

No luck pushing hutmeil?

Less shade, more content, please.

[furtiveglance]

Ok, but do you still scumread hutmeil? Why unvote them?

[Roden]

Ok, but do you still scumread hutmeil? Why unvote them?

More of a scum lean. They're not doing anything and they're avoiding the game, so I'd rather look elsewhere for now. I can always come back to Hut if their responses are scummy.

Why are you so interested in Hutmeil? Do you have anything to say about my previous posts directed towards you?

[furtiveglance]

Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

[Roden]

Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

There's no need to be passive aggressive.

What happened that knocked Alianna and 72 out of your town reads? What raised Mala into being a top town read after you had her in your PoE earlier?

[Roden]

Some players love dismissing others as limbait town and really labouring the point as scum. I'm not accusing Alianna of doing this, it's just something I've seen before.

This heavily contradicts their current viewpoint and their argument against me.

What changed your stance here?

[furtiveglance]

Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

There's no need to be passive aggressive.

What happened that knocked Alianna and 72 out of your town reads? What raised Mala into being a top town read after you had her in your PoE earlier?

I realised I only townread Alianna and 72offsuit for not being scummy, when I now have them in null for not being towny. The onus should be on someone to earn my townread, not start with a townread until you lose it.

I hadn't looked at Malakittens before, so I didn't mention them. But when I did look at their ISO, it's towny.

[furtiveglance]

Some players love dismissing others as limbait town and really labouring the point as scum. I'm not accusing Alianna of doing this, it's just something I've seen before.

This heavily contradicts their current viewpoint and their argument against me.

What changed your stance here?

My stance was always that hutmeil is town, regardless of how people are treating them. My problem with what you said was that you implied hutmeil was being white knighted (or could be white knighted in future) by mafia, but voted hutmeil nonetheless. And you seem right now to be operating in Schrodinger's box by saying that hutmeil is scummy, and also town being white knighted by mafia. Which is it?

[Roden]

Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

There's no need to be passive aggressive.

What happened that knocked Alianna and 72 out of your town reads? What raised Mala into being a top town read after you had her in your PoE earlier?

I realised I only townread Alianna and 72offsuit for not being scummy, when I now have them in null for not being towny. The onus should be on someone to earn my townread, not start with a townread until you lose it.

I hadn't looked at Malakittens before, so I didn't mention them. But when I did look at their ISO, it's towny.

If true, you were very self conscious of the fact you town read them. And when asked to explain your reads, you couldn't, and instead dropped them from your town reads altogether, also without explanation.

You didn't look at Mala? You know they're Syndrome, right?

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.

I don't like this....

[the worst]

vote count 1.08

Many duck fans believe that most ducks dive, but that isn't the case! Rather than diving, most ducks (like the pictured) just dabble! That's because their food sources are generally pretty close to the surface.

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Roden (3): whiskey delta, hutmeil, Greeting
furtiveglance (2): 72offsuit, Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X

Not Voting (3): Malakittens, Alianna, furtiveglance

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach an elimination.

Day one will end in (expired on 2022-06-04 10:00:00)

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Mod notes:

• quack.

[Roden]

Some players love dismissing others as limbait town and really labouring the point as scum. I'm not accusing Alianna of doing this, it's just something I've seen before.

This heavily contradicts their current viewpoint and their argument against me.

What changed your stance here?

My stance was always that hutmeil is town, regardless of how people are treating them. My problem with what you said was that you implied hutmeil was being white knighted (or could be white knighted in future) by mafia, but voted hutmeil nonetheless. And you seem right now to be operating in Schrodinger's box by saying that hutmeil is scummy, and also town being white knighted by mafia. Which is it?

First off, interesting take considering you said this earlier:

These notes from hutmeil are very entertaining.

I'm gonna start beef with 72offsuit so you other people have something to talk about.

You like to rhyme, and commit crime (?).

VOTE: 72offsuit

Is this like a late stage RVS vote? Cause your phrasing doesn’t make it seem like you think 72 is scum. Offhand but it is funny they voted you for not RVS voting originally

I don't really think they're scum or not think they're scum. Just doing something for the sake of it.

Second, somebody can be scummy, but still ultimately town. That's how they get white knighted. I don't know Hutmeil's alignment, so I'm not going to have a definitive answer. Voting Hutmeil was always going to generate content though. If they're scum, then cool. If not, then it draws out scum who want to white knight the slot.

[Roden]

vote count 1.08

Many duck fans believe that most ducks dive, but that isn't the case! Rather than diving, most ducks (like the pictured) just dabble! That's because their food sources are generally pretty close to the surface.

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Roden (3): whiskey delta, hutmeil, Greeting
furtiveglance (2): 72offsuit, Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X

Not Voting (3): Malakittens, Alianna, furtiveglance

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach an elimination.

Day one will end in (expired on 2022-06-04 10:00:00)

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Mod notes:

• quack.

Wait, you haven't voted me, Furtive? Aren't I your top scum read?

[furtiveglance]

At first I was apprehensive of both you and Malakittens for scumreading/shading hutmeil, but then they expressed some concern over your alignment and I read it as town/mafia.

[furtiveglance]

As for my vote, I think E-1 would be a bit hasty. If you currently had 2 votes, I'd vote you.

[Roden]

At first I was apprehensive of both you and Malakittens for scumreading/shading hutmeil, but then they expressed some concern over your alignment and I read it as town/mafia.

Why town/mafia? Why not town/town or mafia/mafia?

As for my vote, I think E-1 would be a bit hasty. If you currently had 2 votes, I'd vote you.

What are you waiting for? There's only three days left until the Day ends and you hard scum read me.