Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[ItalianoVD]

Cuz I'm finally town. Duh.

i will be later, not today. too lazy and also busy

here is mafia
VOTE: ItalianoVD

Alright. We got half the team figured out then. This is a good start. We can probably go ahead and mis-lim me Day 1 then.

Hmm. I’m gonna assume probably town because I don’t think scum would be bold enough to keep this gimmick going.

[Somnus]

Hi. For context, a lot of the regulars in the newbie queue over the last 5 months or whatever know me as the guy who literally had never been town before.

Thanks for coming to my brief TedTalk.

[ItalianoVD]

Yeah I read the bit about Vasex’s “hacked account” lol and I don’t believe it one bit.

[ItalianoVD]

Hi. For context, a lot of the regulars in the newbie queue over the last 5 months or whatever know me as the guy who literally had never been town before.

Thanks for coming to my brief TedTalk.

Ahh I see. You sound like a player named Scorpious. In like 13-14 games since he’s been back, he’s been scum like 10 times.

[ItalianoVD]

Aight well gotta go.

[Somnus]

Not to sidetrack your catchup too much here, but I made a thread discussing Red Role Fatigue a couple days ago, and my experiences, as well as the fact that every time I saw both he and Cephrir in a game, they were mafia, ensured me to discuss the topic.

[Somnus]

*Inspired, not ensured.

This is what I get for phone-posting.

[whiskey delta]

VOTE: Jackal711

This is my second game on MS but my only other one is still on-going. I played from I'd say 2013-2018ish on DragonMount and a few other sites fairly consistently, but it's been a few years and I am very much still knocking the rust off and getting back into forum play.

I prefer playing Town because I like the solve aspect of the game. I especially like being Town when I have a gun

I will likely be fairly active. I'll be juggling two games at once and haven't done that in a while so we'll see how that goes but generally I'm not a low poster regardless of alignment

I forgot the 4th question

[whiskey delta]

Somnus can be my first TL - low effort posts to make if they randed scum again but willing to call that intro genuine on its face.

Around the time I stopped playing I was red probably 10 times out of 12-13 games in a row. It was brutal and by the end I sort of hated playing Mafia lol (not just the alignment)

[Rad]

I'm catching up on the conversation now.

Quick rule clarification if someone can answer, though I think I know the answer based on my reading... however it seems different than in my old games. Back then, a lynch wouldn't happen until Day ended, so if Day ended in 24 hours, a lynch wouldn't happen until then regardless of the votes. At that point, whoever had the most votes would be lynched. It seems like the rule here is that as soon as someone has the majority of players voting for them, Day ends and they're lynched. Is that right? So even though Day ends in 10 days, if there are a majority of votes on a player before then, Day will immediately end and they will be lynched? Thanks for any clarification

[Rad]

1. How long have you played the game of mafia, not just on this site, but ever?
2. Do you like playing the role of town or mafia better?
3. Are you an active poster or a lurker?
4. Do you find it hard to lie or it something you have no issues with?

1. I played on and off for a few years, from around 2010 to 2014.
2. I enjoy town better. Town is more fun, mafia is more stressful. A mafia win is way more satisfying than a town win though!
3. Back in the day I LIVED in these threads. No chance of that now. Got a family and a job but I plan on putting in enough time to keep up and contribute.
4. Lying gives me anxiety. Probably why town is fun and mafia is stressful

[whiskey delta]

I'm catching up on the conversation now.

Quick rule clarification if someone can answer, though I think I know the answer based on my reading... however it seems different than in my old games. Back then, a lynch wouldn't happen until Day ended, so if Day ended in 24 hours, a lynch wouldn't happen until then regardless of the votes. At that point, whoever had the most votes would be lynched. It seems like the rule here is that as soon as someone has the majority of players voting for them, Day ends and they're lynched. Is that right? So even though Day ends in 10 days, if there are a majority of votes on a player before then, Day will immediately end and they will be lynched? Thanks for any clarification

Just an fyi, here it's called "elimination" when a player gets voted out. Same exact thing, just more PC I guess. And yes, from what I understand whenever the hammer drops the game moves into Twilight phase, and then Night once the mod posts the reveal.

[Rad]

@xheap, basically the answer is 'i wouldn't' , but in that case yes, if I was massively unsure.i wouldn't want to lose the pr. It would also sort itself out over night, basically. Tbf day 1 is all about Info gathering and should move fairly quickly.

I don't feel like this conversation about vasex is helpful/I don't want it to be the topic of convo for the day.

Why is a conversation about a player who was caught lying about something on page 1 not helpful? It should literally be THE topic at this point, since it’s the only thing of meaningful substance that has occurred. Take a 30 second look through his ISOs of the two games he’s played on this account and tell me he was “hacked”.

We have something to discuss far more relevant than you’re virtually ever going to get this early in a game, and it’s being dismissed so far. Why is that?

His lie isn't a scum tell. Any townie who's not taking the game too seriously and wants to mess around could easily make that blunder. But lying is an easy thing to point out as a good reason to eliminate. That IMO is more of a scum tell. After they flip town you just maintain that the lie was a big deal and the townie messed up by so obviously lying. FoS @Somnus

[Rad]

I'm catching up on the conversation now.

Quick rule clarification if someone can answer, though I think I know the answer based on my reading... however it seems different than in my old games. Back then, a lynch wouldn't happen until Day ended, so if Day ended in 24 hours, a lynch wouldn't happen until then regardless of the votes. At that point, whoever had the most votes would be lynched. It seems like the rule here is that as soon as someone has the majority of players voting for them, Day ends and they're lynched. Is that right? So even though Day ends in 10 days, if there are a majority of votes on a player before then, Day will immediately end and they will be lynched? Thanks for any clarification

Just an fyi, here it's called "elimination" when a player gets voted out. Same exact thing, just more PC I guess. And yes, from what I understand whenever the hammer drops the game moves into Twilight phase, and then Night once the mod posts the reveal.

Ok sounds good. Thanks for clarifying! Also I'm now using "elimination" instead of "lynch" so thanks for that

[whiskey delta]

The question asks if you are comfortable lying and then he lied on the questions. It’s actually kinda funny but not scummy

[Somnus]

@xheap, basically the answer is 'i wouldn't' , but in that case yes, if I was massively unsure.i wouldn't want to lose the pr. It would also sort itself out over night, basically. Tbf day 1 is all about Info gathering and should move fairly quickly.

I don't feel like this conversation about vasex is helpful/I don't want it to be the topic of convo for the day.

Why is a conversation about a player who was caught lying about something on page 1 not helpful? It should literally be THE topic at this point, since it’s the only thing of meaningful substance that has occurred. Take a 30 second look through his ISOs of the two games he’s played on this account and tell me he was “hacked”.

We have something to discuss far more relevant than you’re virtually ever going to get this early in a game, and it’s being dismissed so far. Why is that?

His lie isn't a scum tell. Any townie who's not taking the game too seriously and wants to mess around could easily make that blunder. But lying is an easy thing to point out as a good reason to eliminate. That IMO is more of a scum tell. After they flip town you just maintain that the lie was a big deal and the townie messed up by so obviously lying. FoS @Somnus

This is terrible reasoning and goes against the motivations of any good town.

[Somnus]

Somnus can be my first TL - low effort posts to make if they randed scum again but willing to call that intro genuine on its face.

Around the time I stopped playing I was red probably 10 times out of 12-13 games in a row. It was brutal and by the end I sort of hated playing Mafia lol (not just the alignment)

I mentioned this in the thread I referenced earlier, but I’ve actually really enjoyed playing as mafia in my other games, but the burnout was definitely real.

[Bellaphant]

Actually I totally agree with red. The lie isn't massively relevant to the game, you kicking off about it is busy work that looks useful and aggressive and town but... nah. This is where I'd vote you

[Somnus]

If that’s how you feel: I’ll make you and everyone else a deal once everyone has entered the game.

We vote me out Day 1. After I flip green, we (the still living town)at least drop the ridiculous idea that lying is “too scummy to be scum” and start at least considering that the worst case scenario of flipping a player who is clearly going to be negative town utility and has no problem lying as town...is far from a harmful mislim if said-player does turn up town.

[Cheapside]

Somnus is very, very concerned with pushing a case on Vasex for the hacking story. They're very invested in defending that case (39 42 65).

All that after

this

post:

So another user with a similar posting style to yours played on the same account in Newbie 2055, Large 232, and posted over 1800 times over the last 16 months, but you just started playing a week ago? That's what we're going with, correct? I just want to be sure.

my lawyer recommends me not to answer this question

They also seem a tad sensitive about the votes on them (39) and the intro felt forced. Not to mention the high volume of off-topic chatter.

To me, this interaction is the most notable thing to happen thus far. Seeing as Somnus apparently hasn't played town before, I'm more ambivalent than I might be, but they're definitely my top scumread right now.

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Also, Vasex did explain that the hackers were Russian.

Russian

, people. Not sure why we're still talking about this~

EBWOP: Damnit Bella, preempting me.

[Somnus]

If that’s how you feel: I’ll make you and everyone else a deal once everyone has entered the game.

We vote me out Day 1. After I flip green, we (the still living town)at least drop the ridiculous idea that lying is “too scummy to be scum” and start at least considering that the worst case scenario of flipping a player who is clearly going to be negative town utility and has no problem lying as town...is far from a harmful mislim if said-player does turn up town.

To add to this, after we wagon me off for catching someone lying on page 1, look to the people who immediately white-knighted Vasex. In the event he eventually flips town, the people who quickly changed the subject and are clinging to “too scummy to be scum” are likely to have 1 scum in them that was looking for fake town-Cred down the line. So let’s hopefully get those last two players into the game, wagon me off, and reference these two posts as my legacy, please. Thanks.

[Bellaphant]

???? This is literally not a thing. If you are town, the pro town thing to do is drop this And play the game, rather than decide you are the elim for today and make sweeping comments.

Three people have told you that this is silly. We can't all be scum.

[Bellaphant]

All its done is makw me town read rad And cheap. Which is at least a positive.

[Somnus]

I am playing the game. I think we have a very fundamentally different approach. This is not me quitting on page 3. That's never going to happen, or on any page, as either alignment, for that matter.

I had "dropped" it, but two players kept circling back to the topic, even when I had gone hours without mentioning it or posting at all.

We're less than 24 hours in, so content is understandably minimal. Almost all of the content in this game so far has been generated by or about. Give me something to work with then if you're unwilling to discuss a player caught lying on page 1. What are your thoughts on the rest of the player-list so far based on the minimal content we have?

[Somnus]

All its done is makw me town read rad And cheap. Which is at least a positive.

And I think you've played this game long enough to know that creating content is exactly what I was going for right off the bat. I'm not an idiot. I've read every newbie game this year and probably about an additional 15 of them since NewD3 was introduced. I'm fully aware that the Day 1 "hyper-poster" is painting a target on their back and is often the eventual Day 1 mis-lim. I couldn't be less concerned with that at the moment.