Newbie 2095 | Game over

[72offsuit]

Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

There's no need to be passive aggressive.

What happened that knocked Alianna and 72 out of your town reads? What raised Mala into being a top town read after you had her in your PoE earlier?

Great minds think alike.

[72offsuit]

Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

There's no need to be passive aggressive.

What happened that knocked Alianna and 72 out of your town reads? What raised Mala into being a top town read after you had her in your PoE earlier?

I realised I only townread Alianna and 72offsuit for not being scummy, when I now have them in null for not being towny. The onus should be on someone to earn my townread, not start with a townread until you lose it.

I hadn't looked at Malakittens before, so I didn't mention them. But when I did look at their ISO, it's towny.

I don't like this response. I don't see how you can suddenly "realise" you meant null read, instead of townread

[72offsuit]

Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

There's no need to be passive aggressive.

What happened that knocked Alianna and 72 out of your town reads? What raised Mala into being a top town read after you had her in your PoE earlier?

I realised I only townread Alianna and 72offsuit for not being scummy, when I now have them in null for not being towny. The onus should be on someone to earn my townread, not start with a townread until you lose it.

I hadn't looked at Malakittens before, so I didn't mention them. But when I did look at their ISO, it's towny.

If true, you were very self conscious of the fact you town read them. And when asked to explain your reads, you couldn't, and instead dropped them from your town reads altogether, also without explanation.

You didn't look at Mala? You know they're Syndrome, right?

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.

I don't like this....

Agree with the line I bolded

[72offsuit]

At first I was apprehensive of both you and Malakittens for scumreading/shading hutmeil, but then they expressed some concern over your alignment and I read it as town/mafia.

Why town/mafia? Why not town/town or mafia/mafia?

As for my vote, I think E-1 would be a bit hasty. If you currently had 2 votes, I'd vote you.

What are you waiting for? There's only three days left until the Day ends and you hard scum read me.

This challenge feels like town talking to their scumread.

[furtiveglance]

72offsuit, are you aware that Roden claimed Cop? You know you don't get points for townreading a Cop claim.........

[furtiveglance]

I'm seeing some questions posed to me regarding changing reads without explanation. The blanket answer is that I changed my mind. Right now, you can still refer to my coloured readslist and it's pretty accurate to what I think now.

[72offsuit]

72offsuit, are you aware that Roden claimed Cop? You know you don't get points for townreading a Cop claim.........

No, not until this post of yours.
1. What purpose does interjecting into my reread serve?
2. What's the objective in you stating
'You know you don't get points for townreading a Cop claim' ? Are you saying I'm scum looking for town brownie points?

[72offsuit]

My two SRs suddenly turning on each other is an interesting twist that I'm gonna have to sleep on

I don't really get why I was a scumread initially, but that aside, this comment looks like you thought you had solved the game with me/Roden. Which is a terrible solve.

VOTE: Roden

Scumreading 2 players individually does not necessarily mean one thinks both are on a scumteam. I've had a few games where my top 2 scumreads do not make a likely scumteam.

[72offsuit]

My two SRs suddenly turning on each other is an interesting twist that I'm gonna have to sleep on

I don't really get why I was a scumread initially, but that aside, this comment looks like you thought you had solved the game with me/Roden. Which is a terrible solve.

VOTE: Roden

Also, this is not

Mala

's scum game. I have played with her when she was scum and she blatantly doesn't enjoy playing as scum. She's very likely town here.

I'm not sure I'm following.
Are you saying that she is enjoying this game? What makes you say this?

[72offsuit]

Again, not really completely set on hutmeil!town.
He disappeared after his vote on Roden.
I will say there's a good chance if one of them flip scum they probably aren't aligned.

I just hate that hutmeil, Tidus & 72 are basically null for me.
Greeting is my strongest town read tho. I like Alianna on premises.
Roden is sketching me out, but I'm torn between both him and FG. FG is a strong player as either alignment and FG knows what to look out for in terms of me trying to catch him now so I don't see him replicating that since he's aware of it.

Can you elaborate on your strong townread of greeting? I'm not seeing it.

[72offsuit]

Again, not really completely set on hutmeil!town.
He disappeared after his vote on Roden.
I will say there's a good chance if one of them flip scum they probably aren't aligned.

I just hate that hutmeil, Tidus & 72 are basically null for me.
Greeting is my strongest town read tho. I like Alianna on premises.
Roden is sketching me out, but I'm torn between both him and FG. FG is a strong player as either alignment and FG knows what to look out for in terms of me trying to catch him now so I don't see him replicating that since he's aware of it.

Out of the more active seven of us, I can only really see Roden and Alianna being mafia.

Please expand on this.
Yes, I know I probs sound like a broken record.

[72offsuit]

whiskey delta

I disagree with their furtive read, but otherwise I think they’ve made a lot of sense.
Also made active attempts to move the game forward.
I like what they’ve said about wanting others to weigh in. The focus here seems to be on solving the game rather than controlling the game.

Greeting

This.

Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Not the first time I’ve quoted furtive in a readslist.
Also liked 240 a lot.

Malakittens

Idk how to word my TR so I’m going to call it town vibes.

hutmeil

Still think they’re probably just newbtown. I’d also wager they’re never getting NKed.

furtiveglance

Mostly because I think their sus on Roden is justified and I don’t think there’s a good reason to SR them at the moment.

72offsuit

Has done nothing AI.
On an unrelated note, I think you need to fix your formatting. When you quote stuff, make sure your post doesn’t include every post you’ve ever quoted.
And please post more.

Tidus of the X

Could be lurky scum, could be lurky town. I can’t read a player off three posts of content. 110 and 228 are very low effort, 148 had a point, and the rest is fluff.
And also please post more.

Roden

Okay, here goes.
123 feels a little disingenuous. As Greeting pointed out, he scumread hutmeil for talking about PRs while not acknowledging that they were asked by whiskey delta to expand on 16 and answering would require them to do so.

Hutmeil is getting town read because no one really wants to rock the boat in newbie games. It's easier to defend someone than attack them, it typically gets you town read and lessens attention on yourself compared to those who go on the offensive. People are going to criticize Hut's play but hesitate to vote there, since they're giving off the appearance of a clueless townie.

I don't think that they're town, I just understand why they're getting town read. No matter Hutmeil's actual alignment, I think the reason they're getting town read is a poor reason, since it comes from self-preservation rather than any attempts to actually analyze the player.

This is interesting. Roden has projected a very scummy mindset onto the people townreading hutmeil. At that point, those people were Greeting, furtive, and I - we can’t all be scum. If hutmeil is scum like Roden thinks, then only one of us can be scum. I don’t think there’s any basis to claim that town are TRing hutmeil out of self-preservation. These posts look like they’re just trying to discredit townreads on a town player.
205 is when Roden voted furtive. Previously, he’s only expressed mild suspicion. There isn’t much wrong with the post itself but I don’t like that it only happened after I expressed some doubts about furtive. And then it’s like he almost forgot about hutmeil.
I don’t personally know Roden’s meta, but the fact that more than one person sees a difference from his normal towngame could be a red flag.
Overall, sus.

VOTE: Roden

This is E-1. Do not hammer without declaring intent and allowing time for a claim.

I feel like I have too many townreads so I’m probably going to re-evaluate some of those after today’s flip. Right now wouldn’t vote for anyone in the green though.

I find it odd that you strongly support furtive's read on greeting, and yet only have them as 5th most town, barely above me as true null.
This dissonance does not compute for me for someone thinking from a town perspective. It feels Scummy.
3rd most town described as merely a 'vibe'.

The "please post more" directed at tidus and I feels really shallow and lacklustre. If you're town and genuinely want more content from someone, you ask them direct and specific questions, not lament with a 'post more'.

The worst part of this post is the part:

"I don’t personally know Roden’s meta, but the fact that more than one person sees a difference from his normal towngame could be a red flag.
Overall, sus."

Using others Meta as part of a reason why you think someone scum is bad. You don't even name the players who referred to rodens meta here.

It feels like lazy scum logic that I've used before as scum.

A sports analogy: offering up 2 dud C grade players in a trade does not make a worthy trade for 1 A grade player. A hodge podge of weak points do not make a good case.

[the worst]

vote count 1.12

There are nearly 130 different species of duck in the world! They are also close relatives of other waterfowl, like swans and geese (who are emphatically not the best birds).

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furtiveglance (2): 72offsuit, Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X

Not Voting (6): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, furtiveglance, Alianna, whiskey delta

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach an elimination.

Day one will end in (expired on 2022-06-04 10:00:00)

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Mod notes:

• quack.

[72offsuit]

I wasn't lying - you were my only scumread. 72offsuit/Tidus are down the list due to poe, but they were basically null/scum.

So if they're null/scum, why do you not want to vote Whiskey, who you just admitted is scummy? Why vote out a low poster you don't actually scum read instead of player you do think is scummy?

Whiskey delta is a complex read for me. I'd like to keep them in for a bit.

Lol... Whiskeydelta is obvtown.

Normally i dont like to tip my hand too far as to my reads, I do like to play cards closer to my chest on day one, but I feel whiskey is doing scum's work being a bull in a china shop - largely spurred on due to inactivity like my own.

[72offsuit]

If whiskey is scum, I'l literally delete my mafiascum account.

[72offsuit]

Without rereading, I think I'm somehere at: To scale, larger the gap, larger the gap between scumminess at bot and townieness at top

72
Whiskey





Roden
Furtive
Hutmeil

Mala, Tidus
Greeting

Aliana

[72offsuit]

VOTE: Alianna

[72offsuit]

And no, I don't counterclaim.

[whiskey delta]

Right on time.

UNVOTE:

@Roden - stuff has happened. Things have changed. My reads are not the same and it seems I need to reevaluate completely. You can vote FG if you want. Vote me if you’d like. I don’t care I’m going to keep trucking and we will both just learn to get along

What did 72 do? What did Furtive do?

Last post of the night

72 was a Hail Mary low poster elim vote - I’ll call it what it is. Timing aside the last two posts they made make me want to see what else they have to say. We are in this spot largely because of consensus so maybe more against the grain reads are warranted.

For FG I think part of it is that they aren’t scum reading me tbh but also because I was so wrong about you I am doubting my scum (and town) reads more generally.

Looking at the wagons at the time of your claim is what is really making me reconsider. My reads can suck but was everyone else just as bad? Counting myself that started your wagon there’s 5 to consider immediately.

Roden - (whiskey) hutmeil, Greeting, FG, Alianna
FG - 72, Roden, whiskey

FG still an option but one I’m way less confident about. I need to review everyone on the wagon again but 6/6 Town is not likely.

Why would being wrong about me make you doubt your other top scum read? Are you saying that if you had successfully voted me our Furtive out, and once of us flipped town, then you'd think the other was town?

And you're right, 6/6 town being wrong isn't likely. the odds of town being wrong are extremely low, in fact. That's because there weren't 6/6 townies voting me or suspecting me. There were only 4.

You just seem to be admitting here that you don't want to vote out your scum reads and prefer to just push out a low poster who isn't defending themself.

Players reevaluate all the time. You aren’t flipped but are as good as, and my reads have already changed so what is the point of your question exactly? Clearly my worldview needs adjustment. If I was wrong about you I could just as easily be wrong about others too. I’m not confident that FG flips either way anymore.

6/6 counts everyone on the wagon (including you) which matters for the odds.

I literally just told you I am less sure about all of my reads. I hard charged on a wagon that got the Cop outted. I know you feel righteous in your conftown status but I don’t care. I am resetting and starting over again. Vote me or move on. You’re doing exactly what I did that got Town into this mess by tunneling incessantly.

[whiskey delta]

72’s reads are so anti consensus I think they’re worth considering. Like I said earlier, consensus nearly led to the Cop getting elimmed and if scum I think 72 just stays parked on FG here instead of starting an entirely new wagon.


I’m crazy enough to follow too

VOTE: Alianna

Time for fire drill

[Tidus of the X]

72offsuit seems town for all that effort he is putting in now. It could easly change later on though with all those contradictions wjth everyone elses town reads.

[whiskey delta]

Alianna it might be helpful to do literally anything other than snipe at a specific thing a conftown has said to try to discredit them.

This is worth follow up imo. If Roden, FG, and myself are all Town then this fits the bill of scum sitting back and nudging Town squabbles

[Greeting]

I see no counterclaim so

Roden

is basically confirmed Cop. If there is a Doctor, please protect

Roden

tonight and

do not claim

.

[Greeting]

furtiveglance

, what is your read of

Tidus of the X

now? You voted them (142), then quickly unvoted them claiming that it was a mistake (144). And yet they are coloured orange on your readslist (195), which seems to indicate that they're high on your suspicion level. As a matter of fact, according to this list, if we take

Roden

out of the picture,

Tidus

should be the one you're going after next.

It's a massive problem that 72offsuit and Tidus of the X aren't talking more. They've entered my scumpool by process of elimination.

From my perspective, you seem to switch on/off on null/scumreading them. Could you please clarify what is your read of them now?

[Greeting]

While reading the thread, someone said that I'm focusing a lot on newbies. That's true. My general theory is that if a newbie player is town, they have a mindset and an agenda which should be easily spottable and not so easy to fake. That is why I questioned

hutmeil

, that is also why I'm questioning

Tidus of the X

and

furtiveglance

(although I think he has some experience). The fact that we have a lot of new faces is probably the biggest perk of Newbie games in general, it is almost impossible to know everyone and everything is taken at face value.

As for the SEs, I already know

Mala

and I don't need to focus on her for now as she's already got herself a townread. I thought

Roden

was scum, but turns out he went on the offensive as a defensive measure which unfortunately backfired on him, and since he's our PR, it also backfired on us as a team. I don't know what to think of

72offsuit

to be fair. Admittedly, I've decided to deal with them later if both of us are still alive in the game.