Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[humaneatingmonkey]

Vote Count 1.01

Somnus (2):

Bellaphant, Cheapside

ItalianoVD (1):

Vasex

Vasex (1):

Somnus

Jackal711 (1):

whiskey delta

Not Voting (4):

mq.bosco, Rad, Jackal711, ItalianoVD

With 9 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is June 12 at 3:00 AM GMT +8

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-06-12 03:00:00)

[Bellaphant]

Nah, it was a bad take. Also 'bad takes to create content' is just...bad. I don't expect it, however long I've been playing.

You are right though, it did generate some content, in terms of new reads. I have very little read on vasex themselves. It will be interesting to see their further responses to things: I'm going to struggle with memey as a vibe.

[Somnus]

It's not a bad take and I'm not memeing. And my offer still stands for later on in Day 1 so everyone else can analyze the wagon to see who went for the absolute lowest-hanging-fruit in bad faith during Day 2. Could be extremely beneficial.

Literally the only event of any relevance that ihasoccurred so far in this game, and your stance is, "Let's not discuss it."

[Bellaphant]

No,.sorry, I feel that vasex's content could be quite memey, based on this start.

Ok, if you want to discuss it more: are they lying, or joking? What benefit does either have for them as scum? Why would you, as scum, lie about something so obviously provable?

I can't see your thoughts here. You said your response was to generate content, but are now also still arguing that it isnt, at least in part, a bad take. I don't understand

[Somnus]

No,.sorry, I feel that vasex's content could be quite memey, based on this start.

Ok, if you want to discuss it more: are they lying, or joking? What benefit does either have for them as scum? Why would you, as scum, lie about something so obviously provable?

I can't see your thoughts here. You said your response was to generate content, but are now also still arguing that it isnt, at least in part, a bad take. I don't understand

My bad then. I thought you were calling my approach here memey. You'll see Meme!Somnus in the spectator thread of 2094 if you can stomach all 10 pages

Do I think they were lying? Absolutely. Do I think that equals lock-scum? Absolutely not. But I'm an old-school "newbie" in that I think there's very few pro-town reasons to lie about like...anything. And considering the extremely minimal reasons that people vote for people on Day 1, even when we're not including RVS, there's no world where someone can convince me that it's a bad early vote or that it's somehow worth less than an RVS vote.

[Somnus]

Just thinking out-loud here, Bella, but wanna know something funny? I think you’re going to get a better understanding of my mindset and approach from the spec thread of 2094 than the games I’ve been in that you’re presumably at least somewhat familiar with.

[Somnus]

I'll step away for about 24 hours or so. Got some things to do today, but it'll also give a chance for others to join the game and hopefully generate some non-Somnus/Vasex content. Be back tomorrow.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

That was was I needed.

[Rad]

If that’s how you feel: I’ll make you and everyone else a deal once everyone has entered the game.

We vote me out Day 1. After I flip green, we (the still living town)at least drop the ridiculous idea that lying is “too scummy to be scum” and start at least considering that the worst case scenario of flipping a player who is clearly going to be negative town utility and has no problem lying as town...is far from a harmful mislim if said-player does turn up town.

To add to this, after we wagon me off for catching someone lying on page 1, look to the people who immediately white-knighted Vasex. In the event he eventually flips town, the people who quickly changed the subject and are clinging to “too scummy to be scum” are likely to have 1 scum in them that was looking for fake town-Cred down the line. So let’s hopefully get those last two players into the game, wagon me off, and reference these two posts as my legacy, please. Thanks.

I have a few things to say about this...

1. This is an absolutely an awful idea. Either bad town play or scum bluff. In the case that you're town and you get eliminated, obviously the rest of town needs to look at how that happened and decide if and where the scum got involved. In the case that you martyr yourself "for the greater good", anyone on the wagon to eliminate you has the defense of going with your plan, and there's not a guaranteed scum in the group of people who didn't care about your issues with vasex's pointless/irrelevant/obvious lie.

If you're town, you need to survive for town, not sacrifice yourself for town, and especially not in some orchestrated way that muddies up the reads on everyone.

If you're scum, please continue down this path

2. Who has said anything about vasex being "too scummy to be scum"? Did I miss that? I personally said his lie wasn't a scum tell at all, not that it was too scummy to be scum. It was just irrelevant and could easily be a lazy town playing poorly for laughs.

Now if you catch someone in a relevant lie, absolutely, we should focus on that. In fact that's how most end game scenarios go in my experience, pointing out lies or hypocricies.

3. Regarding eliminating someone who is "clearly going to be negative town utility and has no problem lying as town...". Policy elims should be a last resort scenario when there's no better option. Fixating on an easy policy elim so early like this feels like over-eager scum play.

I had "dropped" it, but two players kept circling back to the topic, even when I had gone hours without mentioning it or posting at all.

You're referring to me and whiskey delta, yeah? Just because you made your last post on that topic some hours before I started making mine means nothing. It's a forum game. We're all playing async at different times. If the content I have to work with is 3 hours old, that's just how this game works. Most of my posting will likely be late night EST like I mentioned before.

Give me something to work with then if you're unwilling to discuss a player caught lying on page 1.

It was worth discussing briefly. Determining it was a lie was useful. Fixating on it feels like scum play.

Anyway, we're still missing a couple players here and they could easily be lurker scum laughing at town self-destructing.

[whiskey delta]

I was going to MQ but Bella and Rad have pretty much said everything I wanted to already and I don’t feel like reiterating the same stuff.

If Vasex is scum, lying on the RVS questionnaire isn’t the reason. Setting up potential back-to-back Town elims for the sake of it is not optimal to say the least. We can do all the analysis you talk about without doing that. How was your experience playing scum

@Somnus

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Also I play in PST so I will almost always be late. I cannot comment things I’m not here to comment on at the time they are posted always. It is what it is.

[mq.bosco]

Hi all!

[mq.bosco]

1. How long have you played the game of mafia, not just on this site, but ever?
2. Do you like playing the role of town or mafia better?
3. Are you an active poster or a lurker?
4. Do you find it hard to lie or it something you have no issues with?

1. 2-3 years.
2. Town or neutral which help town in spite of own win.
3. Lazy poster.
4. Yes, that's hard and hurt.

[Bellaphant]

Hi, any thoughts on the game?

[mq.bosco]

Somnus v-v-very interesting and - suddenly - make me feel nervous. Don't know why. You, Bella, looks towny. Italiano playing not like another game in which I can see him. Vasex is joking like towny. But I can't say that I have some reasons to give scum-role to somebody at this moment.

[Rad]

Somnus v-v-very interesting and - suddenly - make me feel nervous. Don't know why. You, Bella, looks towny. Italiano playing not like another game in which I can see him. Vasex is joking like towny. But I can't say that I have some reasons to give scum-role to somebody at this moment.

Hello! What alignment was Italiano in the game you're referring to? What do you see him doing differently in this game?

[Vasex]

i'm so sleepy, i cannot even read.

SOMNUS TOWN

and i find it difficult to change my vote from italiano, i have some glitch or bug with these buttons
unvote
UNVOTE
[]
eh, it doesnt work, smth is broken, i will contact admins

see you soon after 12-15 hours, i will bring some fresh thoughts i hope

i go sleep

[Rad]

Wake up town. Low activity is generally bad for town. Scum wants to lurk. It's hard for scum to create pro-town conversation and avoid scum slips.

Some questions for people:

1. Do you agree that low activity is bad for town?
2. What general time per day can we expect your input?
3. Who do you think has the most relevant input so far? How about the least relevant input?

[ItalianoVD]

Okay I'm alive peeps. Sorry again for the lack of activity, I usually am more active, but let's see what I missed.

[ItalianoVD]

i will be later, not today. too lazy and also busy

here is mafia
VOTE: ItalianoVD

Come on man, I was gonna claim scum and now I have to lie about being town!

So no bueno huh? No one picked up on this? Oh well too late.

[ItalianoVD]

Not to sidetrack your catchup too much here, but I made a thread discussing Red Role Fatigue a couple days ago, and my experiences, as well as the fact that every time I saw both he and Cephrir in a game, they were mafia, ensured me to discuss the topic.

Is this in Mafia Discussion?

[Rad]

i will be later, not today. too lazy and also busy

here is mafia
VOTE: ItalianoVD

Come on man, I was gonna claim scum and now I have to lie about being town!

So no bueno huh? No one picked up on this? Oh well too late.

Yeah I noticed. You were both joking though? :shrug:

[ItalianoVD]

Also, appreciate all the answers for the questions. Like I said I get scumread for it most times, or I get sarcastic or facetious answers lol, which are amusing and still good for being able to read/sort people, but I like to get to know the players I play with when I don't know them. Like Vasex is the only player I know from the list.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Jackal711 has failed to pick up their role PM and will now be replaced.

[Rad]

Also, appreciate all the answers for the questions. Like I said I get scumread for it most times, or I get sarcastic or facetious answers lol, which are amusing and still good for being able to read/sort people, but I like to get to know the players I play with when I don't know them. Like Vasex is the only player I know from the list.

Speaking of your list - what did you hope to gain from that specific list of questions? What was your goal? Was there any question in particular that you think would be useful to help town? Did you gain any useful insight from any of the answers?

[ItalianoVD]

i will be later, not today. too lazy and also busy

here is mafia
VOTE: ItalianoVD

Come on man, I was gonna claim scum and now I have to lie about being town!

So no bueno huh? No one picked up on this? Oh well too late.

Yeah I noticed. You were both joking though? :shrug:

Yup and wanted to see who would jump on me.