Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.02

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

Aristeia [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Bellaphant, Ausuka

Titus [1]:

Roden

Ausuka [1]:

Dwlee99

Klick [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Enchant [1]:

implosion

not voting [7]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Enchant, Klick, Aristeia, Save The Dragons, Titus

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[implosion]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=87462
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=84708

Here are a couple recent scum PTs. The first one scum literally just say numbers with no coordination whatsoever. The second one they coordinate, and in coordinating, eventually decide that the best thing to do is to have each of them just independently pick numbers.

So... yeah. I see no reason why this sort of dynamic, which with my solid sample size of 2 is present frequently, couldn't lead to some scum picking a high number. Heck 2 of the people in the 2nd game picked their numbers because they'd picked them previously in another run of the game, which would be literally the exact reason Titus would have picked her number as scum.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats <3

[Aristeia]

If people won't treat me in basic good faith then I don't really feel any obligation to explain myself.

The answer I gave was the best-faith answer I could give. If I gave numbers, they'd be in bad faith.

I suspect others who gave non-answers feel similarly.

ok I think that's fine if everybody doesn't want to do the exercise I can just forget about it - but I don't owe anyone a long written out explanation if they won't write down three numbers, that's just not how the world works.

Does your exercise seriously require a full response from everyone?

I could use partial response but if most people treat it as a joke or refuse to participate it won't be very useful.

[Gamma Emerald]

Some responses are better than others
StD’s response is very clearly a “I would not be in the described position” answer
Meanwhile I’m pretty sure Klick saw the ongoing discussion and made a joke response based on that

[humaneatingmonkey]

I like that Gamma is immediately trying to make sense of the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What even is the purpose of that, Ari? Would that help you read us? If not, shouldn't you be appealing to those who wouldn't answer or at least try and convince them?

[Aristeia]

What even is the purpose of that, Ari? Would that help you read us? If not, shouldn't you be appealing to those who wouldn't answer or at least try and convince them?

In my experience it is a waste of effort

[Gamma Emerald]

I know from exp there’s always going to be at least a few detractors to any opening exercise
So like, why even bother trying when you’re gonna get upset and go “I’m taking my ball and leaving!” upon seeing that resistance?

[humaneatingmonkey]

So youre not at all still interested in finding out the result of what you want to do?

[Aristeia]

That's an incredibly uncharitable way of putting it.


This is a game and I don't have an interest in trying to force people into doing something they are not interested in doing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sorry, I really was trying to be nice! The alternative was immediately calling you scum for being unmotivated to solve the game. Your immediate transitiom out of your thing was misrepping me. But really I want to at least help you squeeze answers from people, but i guess you're not interested and that's fair.

[Aristeia]

You're being ridiculous

[Aristeia]

it's just kind of gross the way you are characterizing my behavior.

like incredibly disgusting to me

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hey remember when you did this to me in a previous game, and you were being very extra in trying to make me seem like im being obtuse. You ended up town there. I wonder if we just cant get along.

[Aristeia]

I have not done anything to you

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes ok im done

[Aristeia]

I made a simple request because I thought it would be fun icebreaker and might possibly be useful later

I asked people for three numbers, not a big ask imo

most people refuse to do it

I am fine with that because I don't enjoy forcing people to do things and it's just a game

and your response is to just assume I was never interested in the first place and asking in bad faith.

it's just not a line of thinking that I think is appropriate or remotely decent.

I find it quite icky

I am not calling you scum for it because I don't think being obnoxious is outside of your town range.

[Aristeia]

ok I am done talking with you about this too.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

[Aristeia]

sure

[Dwlee99]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

No

[Aristeia]

can you actually explain why town!me would force every person in this town to do a number exercise that they are clearly not interested in?

[Aristeia]

Hey remember when you did this to me in a previous game, and you were being very extra in trying to make me seem like im being obtuse. You ended up town there. I wonder if we just cant get along.

its weird to me that you bring up a game where u deathtunneled me incorrectly, try to suggest maybe you just cant get along with me and then follow up with "she must be manipulative scum".

these thoughts are incoherent to me.

[Aristeia]

like if you are town and you think im lockscum, why are you uncomfortable with this exchange? doesnt it just make you look incredibly unaligned with me if you flip me and im scum here?