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[Save The Dragons]

Not saying STD is coming across as townie, and am quite suspect of his/her/they're (people get way too precious about pronouns these days) slot myself, but what I have noticed is that no one is coming in to protect STD and defend him, where as a fair few people are defending Nancy.

Is this an example of scum distancing while attempting to pocket?

i am a he its listed under my awesome avatar

[Dwlee99]

What exactly has Nancy done that is so hard to fake as scum that she is absolutely locktown? Is her scum game that polarized?

My reading people goes into full reading what they have. I don't read what isn't there which is what a lot of people like to do, I focus on what is there. Part of what gets factored into my reads are vibes, silly as it sounds.

Nancys scum games are terrifying, she's damned good at what she does.

But her attitude and her vibe are different. Vastly different.

If this were true her scum game would be terrible though

[humaneatingmonkey]

Does this game still make sense if both std and nancy are town? What does that look like? Who's the scum there? Getting bad vibes from flea. I need to say that. Facebones is my strongest townread, iirc

[Dwlee99]

We have time to figure out if that is the case

[Save The Dragons]

im willing to take a step back from nancy if i'm just wrong here? but it kinda makes it hard when she says things like "you tr dwlee" when i never did to try and paint narratives that make sense in a scum!STD world to try and drive her incorrect point home.

I just don't know if she'd do that as town and would probably need assurances that other people 1) understand what i'm saying and 2) believe she would do this as town

[Flea The Magician]

Isn't it obvious why someone would get emotional when being wrongfully attacked

This probably already got covered but I wanna poke this more myself.

Why does this apply to you, and not to someone like Nancy?

i mean it does apply to nancy too but i don't think that's what's going on, i haven't seen as much emotion from nancy as i would expect but i don't know if that's because she's turned over a new leaf as she was trying to do or if she knows she's scum and is confident in that.

hey look at me re-evaluating

I am likely biased as I've been helping Nancy with emotional processing since her ban and helping her manage some emotions in better ways. There's definitely a difference in fireyness but honestly I think it made her more deadly.

[Flea The Magician]

what is that, like 4 untruths and mischaracterizations that i just provided to Nancy that people are going to ignore?

Oh they won't be ignored, but I'm also not willing to re-eval Nancy for a while.

[Flea The Magician]

What exactly has Nancy done that is so hard to fake as scum that she is absolutely locktown? Is her scum game that polarized?

My reading people goes into full reading what they have. I don't read what isn't there which is what a lot of people like to do, I focus on what is there. Part of what gets factored into my reads are vibes, silly as it sounds.

Nancys scum games are terrifying, she's damned good at what she does.

But her attitude and her vibe are different. Vastly different.

If this were true her scum game would be terrible though

Depends on how you play, again I read what is there, not what isn't there.
A lot of people tend to try and read whats there, whats between the lines and everything around it eventually ignoring whats actually there.
I do word flow analysis, I do word choice analysis, and I've done enough testing on MS to know how to tailor my word choice to make me look townier or scummier.

[Flea The Magician]

Does this game still make sense if both std and nancy are town? What does that look like? Who's the scum there? Getting bad vibes from flea. I need to say that. Facebones is my strongest townread, iirc

Anything in particular thats throwing off the bad vibes?

[Dwlee99]

I don't think that answers the point I raised

[Flea The Magician]

im willing to take a step back from nancy if i'm just wrong here? but it kinda makes it hard when she says things like "you tr dwlee" when i never did to try and paint narratives that make sense in a scum!STD world to try and drive her incorrect point home.

I just don't know if she'd do that as town and would probably need assurances that other people 1) understand what i'm saying and 2) believe she would do this as town

She would, does and has. I get what you mean, and I can see what you're getting at. I've seen Nancy do this before though as town, she gains a narrative and brains being the wonderfully weird pieces of squish they are will fill a blank to make an end result work. Nancy gets the result and works from the start to that, not always getting the information correct.

[Flea The Magician]

I don't think that answers the point I raised

Admittedly I got a little sidetracked.

The point was her games are terrible or terrifying depending how you look at them. How I look at them, they are terrifying however I'm reasonably confident in my ability to read Nancy using my methods.

[Flea The Magician]

I thought I said meta was bad 100 times this game and you are still are pretending I care?

Problem is you're inconsistent and you've even said as much on this.

You use meta when it benefits you, not when it doesn't.

To me that's being inconsistent on meta use

that's how i use meta though

i call it bad but sometimes use meta-like reads to help me

The other thing is you seemed to imply that usage of your meta is a joke. Which I found when doing the ISO run through.
Which is again, inconsistency on your part.
Admittedly, I have seen you be some level of inconsistent in the past, so this is mostly NAI. That you're sticking to it is making me more sus.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't just use meta as joke

here's how i use meta

nancy is a passionate and emotional player. i will remember this from game to game and read her accordingly.

here's how i don't use meta

nancy did X in Y game, so she's going to do it again.

the latter is bad and is what is typically meant when people say meta, so i say meta is bad but still use the former which is technically still meta but maybe not what people mean when they say "meta".

[Flea The Magician]

i don't just use meta as joke

here's how i use meta

nancy is a passionate and emotional player. i will remember this from game to game and read her accordingly.

here's how i don't use meta

nancy did X in Y game, so she's going to do it again.

the latter is bad and is what is typically meant when people say meta, so i say meta is bad but still use the former which is technically still meta but maybe not what people mean when they say "meta".

This is why I define it as "Live Meta" read the emotional intensity and variation as well as word choice and flow.
I will use knowledge from games played, but not go out seeking it.

[Save The Dragons]

nacny's arguments are "i literally did X in Y games" and i always try to play differently to make that kind of meta useless

i've also pointed out why, even if i didn't do that, it's a bad argument

[Gamma Emerald]

nacny's arguments are "i literally did X in Y games" and i always try to play differently to make that kind of meta useless

i've also pointed out why, even if i didn't do that, it's a bad argument

that circumstantial meta is only rlly good for negative vidence, that is to say proving something doesn't mean something in the present game rather than showing something does
I sometimes also employ "situational meta" which is using past circumstances from games to form an opinion on the likely alignments of people within a similar situation in the current game

[Save The Dragons]

still bad :shrug:

[Gamma Emerald]

you say that but I feel like it's more intellectually honest for me to play that way vs. attempting other methods of sorting entirely
I feel like it's better for getting me correctly TR to use it, at least

[Flea The Magician]

nacny's arguments are "i literally did X in Y games" and i always try to play differently to make that kind of meta useless

i've also pointed out why, even if i didn't do that, it's a bad argument

Nah thats valid. You've also used that defence though here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what are the odds of scum theater here guys

[humaneatingmonkey]

nancy v std

[Save The Dragons]

really?

[humaneatingmonkey]

yeah why not

[Save The Dragons]

okay but it seems like nancy was in trouble and now i'm in trouble so what was the point of that if we're both scum