In post 159, Bellaphant wrote:@rad, I said most of what I wanted to say in response to bbt about you ; I like your longer, content posts but your 'wake up town' and trying to extend rqs feels really pointless and 'look at me, I'm so town' (lamist).
bella is good
im afraid of him if he is mafia, bc for now he is really strong in the thread
scary
: Dubious, lots of fluff with little commitment - weak general or uninteresting questions, calls to town to post more, kinda nothingy posts like 100, 98, 95. I'm leaning scum. Okay, his last post was a commitment, it was a vote on blue and a weak attack on mq. The other way around might have been
something
, but...
I'd like to respond to your assessment of me directly.
My posts and reasons: 100 - I was curious what his response would be. Aren't you? I mean, if someone jumped on him for his obvious joke, how would you read that? I would read it null. So what was his goal? I was trying to get him to explain it openly which would be good content IMO (particularly because I don't think there could have been a good explanation, making his whole plan obvious nonsense fluff trying to look useful).
98 - I felt his list had no real use beyond getting people to talk, which isn't necessarily scummy considering we were at the start of day 1, but explaining more about why he chose those questions in particular could create content. It's very difficult for scum to explain something like that in my experience.
95 - Again, I'm trying to get him to explain why no one jumping on him even matters. Someone jumping on him for that isn't a scum tell, so what's his point? I wanted him to spell it out so we can understand him better.
I have a null read on you right now, though this assessment post is better than your first, where I felt you were just summarizing events (an easy way to look useful). I'm going to have to read it a few times over the course of the day so I can better understand your thoughts on everyone else, but I wanted to get a response about your thoughts of me out there sooner than later.
im not sure you should explain everything of this with so many words... eh, i dont know...
In post 159, Bellaphant wrote:@rad, I said most of what I wanted to say in response to bbt about you ; I like your longer, content posts but your 'wake up town' and trying to extend rqs feels really pointless and 'look at me, I'm so town' (lamist).
Fair. Scum can do that too, for sure. I did try to get the activity ball rolling though with my questions about when people can be expected to be more active, and trying to get everyone to agree that lurker town is dead town. Maybe I jumped the gun and lurking wasn't really going to be a big issue here, but I had just seen 12 hours pass with nothing happening at all, and our most active poster (somnus) was taking a 24 hour break for the sake of us talking about something else besides him and vasex (not helpful imo, just reinforces lurker town). Looks like most of the activity might end up happening while I'm sleeping
i feel you are nervous about this situation
but it can be towny too
In post 180, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:As a counter, I would suggest forming wagons and encouraging participation is a townie thing to do. I would also suggest getting people to use their votes (towns strongest weapon) is also important for later in the game (if you believe VCA is a thing)
In post 184, Spartan117 wrote:Rads #160 & #161 he spends a lot of time defending himself more worried about others opinion on him which is more of a scumtell. I personally didnt like his #91 on the surface it can look townie to try and get engagement from other players but its easy for scum to do when general engagement is low. Posting frequently doesnt indicate town, scum both want to go under the radar but they also want to dictate the conversation and point away from themselves and their partner.
I didn't like the questions trying to get everyone to tell you what time they are available can easily lead to calling someone out when they werent here at the time they had originally said they would be available which could be down to anything irl not just that they are lurking etc.
Additionally asking a generic question to everyone on who has had the most relevant input and least relevant input so far imo is trying to get others to do their scumhunting for them, rather than saying to someone what do you think of this post in question and does it effect your read on them. I just dont like asking who has the least relevant input especially so early on in the game when some people have barely posted it just seems lazy to me.
I'm gonna say this now, I think there is 1 scum between Rad and BlueBloodedToffee but I dont think they are a scumteam. I dont think Rads first move after some pressure is applied to him is to vote his scumpartner.
In post 185, Rad wrote:Vasex not jumping on the wagon for me is super townie. Him doing so could be a funny meme, consistent with his play so far, where he just does what the guy asked him to do, but it puts me in range (4 votes) of being hammered by scum (5 votes). Not worth the laughs.
Top town reads for me right now are Bella and Vasex. The more I'm reading Cheapside the more I lean town, but I have my reservations.
honestly, i wasn't in game almost (very rarely i'm pried into this thread; but my thoughts were somewhere else)
In post 205, Rad wrote:That's more than can be said about mq's input. So I'll give her some more time to participate and then park my vote on her if it's not sufficient.
In post 209, Rad wrote:@BlueBloodedToffee I think you were talking to me with that accidental quote? So in response, I don't want to park my vote on mq until she's had a chance to respond to everything that's happened since her last visit. She's a null read for me and maybe she's just busy and hasn't gotten a chance to participate. I'm fine with not voting someone right now, we have time to let the lurkers catch up.
I was hoping to get some analysis in, but frankly I do not have time right now, given the over a hundred(!!! ) posts since I last looked in. Please don't rapidly hammer anyone, there's useful time left in the day. UNVOTE:
I'll try to answer any questions I see, as people may feel they need that to progress. If I miss one, just point it out to me, there's... a lot of content. If you have more... ask them if you really need to, I have a lot of thread to catch up with. Glad the Spartan wagon took off but didn't culminate in an elim, we needed pressure there to get information, not a random elimination.
I'm afraid it may be almost two days before I can get back to this properly, I'm slightly busy at the moment and this is a huge D1. I will make an actually decent readlist at that point though, and probably have some fairly strong commitments voting-wise.
I wouldn't mind Cheap expanding on this. Complete different viewpoint from myself and so I feel it's worth discussing, despite being early game. 69 feels town because the scum read on Somnus comes from his town read on Vasex which feels like an organic thought process. Again, it goes against how I was reading the early game though and this keeps niggling in the back of my mind. I don't know whether Cheap's posting style just looks townie and that is swaying me too much or whether I want to scum read him because he sees the game almost the complete opposite to how I'm reading it.
I answer what might as well be the same question in 211 . It's early D1, I didn't have any firm reads, it seemed like a completely unjustified townread on vasex might get a reaction out of Somnus, which would be useful as it would give us something to talk about.
My actual read on him is much more ambivalent: facetious players D1 can be very dangerous and hard to read. His play thus far hasn't seemed extremely towny, but he has committed to reads and pushed the game along. His posting style is also starting to get on my nerves, it clogs the thread and makes it hard to read.
Spartan:
Spoiler:
In post 266, Spartan117 wrote:
The unexplained statement in 184 I left purposefully as I wanted someone to pick up on it. At that moment in time I wasnt too comfortable with what Rad had posted which is what I had pointed out above, since then I have liked more of their posts . I not explained much on my thoughts on BBT as I had not had the time to read through fully in depth although from skimming through their posts a few things felt off, which I will address. What do you think @Cheapside about the interactions between Rad and BBT?
BBT attempted to carry out their stated intention, get a wagon going. Their pressure on Rad was helpful, and gave us information with which to read them. Don't see anything too weird about Rad's vote - an aggressive response to what they percieve as an unfair vote, reasonably justified given the way BBT must have come across. Scum don't usually OMGUS out of the blue D1.
Somnus:
In post 250, Somnus wrote:
Why was Vasex politely asking you to unvote me enough to get you to do so?
I'm starting to suspect you have no sense of humour. You'd calmed down, stopped posting so much votes were moving off you I think, and I wanted to pressure someone else to get info on them. I continued the "I'll just do whatever vasex says because he's townreading me" joke, because it's funny.
And I'm willing to accept that my gentle pokes, scumread, vote, etc didn't add anything to your behaviour towards the start of the day, if you're telling me that. It does just make it look weirder and more dubious, though.
Rad:
Spoiler: replies to rad
In post 220, Rad wrote:I looked through Spartan's posts again.
@Cheap - what do you think of Bella and my read on him? What do you think about changing your vote from Spartan to Bella?
Bella seems like they'd be hard to read, . Not going to start voting Bella right now obviously, but to be honest I've barely caught up with the last thirty pages, so not going to start voting anyone until I've had time to think. Your read looks reasonable, although there are other ways to interpret Bella's play thus far. I'm not sure if their de-escalating the somnus thing was bad, as it could have led to a very early and I suspect silly elim, while voting mq could be seen as an effort to get them to post. So yeah, I see their play as very low-key, but not passive enough to immediately scumread them for it.
Ok. And Vasex has a problem with policy eliminations. I'm not going to change my mind about this. I'd rather be talking about reads, but I can't magic up new reads after 150 pages in a single day, while this is a very simple point.
Vasex:
Right now, I have no desire to eliminate mq. They haven't
failed
to satisfy me yet, because there's still time in D1. Provided we don't get a dumb wagon, there's six days left. But if someone gives us as little information as mq.bosco has done, we elim them. This isn't how I'm looking for scum, it's just a
policy
. Townhunting first, with this many people and differing playstyles, isn't going to work well enough, as we'll always find reasons enough to mistrust the people actually posting. We can't rely on having the necessary power rules to give us mechanical information on her in this setup. So if we allow it, she can and will lurk to victory if scum.
I understand you want to defend your friend, and want votes based on scumhunting not policy. But if someone won't engage with the game, I'm going to vote to eliminate them.
In post 218, Rad wrote:Before whiskey posts his next 4...
I want to say there's a strong potential for Bella/whiskey scum team.
His reads:
Bella - just love
Somnus - leaves shade
Cheap - buddying up to cheap. Is it because cheap is putting in analysis effort?
Vasex - leaves shade
Non-commital. No strong takes. There's a ton of content in this game already, I expect more here.
Yikes.
Jumping the gun a bit, aren't we? I haven't even finished lol
I think it's fair to give my read based on what you've given so far, even if you haven't finished But please, finish! I give my reads based on all available information at the moment, so the more information, the better.
do you know each other well? friends? your talking between both of you is very suspicious for me
In post 209, Rad wrote:@BlueBloodedToffee I think you were talking to me with that accidental quote? So in response, I don't want to park my vote on mq until she's had a chance to respond to everything that's happened since her last visit. She's a null read for me and maybe she's just busy and hasn't gotten a chance to participate.
I'm fine with not voting someone right now, we have time to let the lurkers catch up.
You went from this...
...to this within a couple of hours. you're definitely overthinking things but I think this probably makes you Town too.
In post 226, Bellaphant wrote:Here I am givingpointless not game related info: I really like reading games backwards, especially after day one, as I find it easier to see progression.
bella, i think you are a wise penguin, please read all my today's posts
i think you was little confused
maybe from my perspective you will see other interesting things in the game
consider it is a little defense of spartan for a while
look how bbt was happy to add his vote here
and how rad is making a huge case on you
is it ok for u?
In post 246, Somnus wrote:I wouldn't have signed up again if I were terrified of rolling scum again.
good attitude, mafia players should never afraid of getting the role they don't like; if they have some problems with this role, they should think how to solve these problems
You should probably explain why, but hey, that's your call, scum
) posts since I last looked in. Please don't rapidly hammer anyone, there's useful time left in the day. UNVOTE: 
