Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[Rad]

@rad, I am conflicted. I quite liked rads catch up in real time on a first look, as it felt flowly and natural. And then I realised that hos reads didn't really massively change throughout: i'm town, Somnus is town, bbt is scum - at least these three were reads he started with. Do you think he's making the shoe fit? Compare for example his mentions of Spartan to your catch up.

Personally I hate vasex's recent posting style. However, it does give us some insight into how his reads change in a post by post basis. And you're right, they really didn't change did they. New information seems irrelevant to vasex, or at best just reinforces his initial read. Is that a scum move or an over confident town? I just don't see why a scum!vasex would bother to spam 4 pages when he was a town read from most people.

[Vasex]

And you're right, they really didn't change did they. New information seems irrelevant to vasex, or at best just reinforces his initial read. 

LIE.

firstly i had cheap and you as townies, now you are a scum and he is null; i also changed some null slots to town lean (wd, bella) and solid town (spartan).

does it look that i didnt change anything?

[whiskey delta]

@rad, I am conflicted. I quite liked rads catch up in real time on a first look, as it felt flowly and natural. And then I realised that hos reads didn't really massively change throughout: i'm town, Somnus is town, bbt is scum - at least these three were reads he started with. Do you think he's making the shoe fit? Compare for example his mentions of Spartan to your catch up.

There were a few places where I thought Vasex was showing progress on some reads in real time. Bosco comments, leaning scum to leaning Town on me. I don’t remember what his read on Rad was before so I’d have to look again.

Cheap, what do you make of Vasex's reads never changing throughout the game? They're very rigid.

Additionally, and this is a note for everyone, almost all of Vasex's reads are predicated on me being scum.

So if I'm town, he gets to completely reset.

That can happen and still be Town.

Not everyone can be scum. Sometimes I have to remind myself of that

Bella
Rad
Vasex?
Spartan?

means there is 2 scum in BBT, Somnus, bosco, & Cheapside.

VOTE: Cheapside

Good, good, bad, bad.

I don't like the Cheap vote. He isn't even pushing for the policy lynch, he is merely suggesting that it may come to that IF we get nothing from those players.

IF we get nothing it’s the mod’s job to handle it. Pushing inactive slots is weak sauce.

Cheapside has 7 posts and mentions policy elims 3-4 times. Besides moving his vote every other post it’s the only thing he’s done somewhat consistently so far. The tone in that last response is really bad. “Hasn’t failed to satisfy me yet” gross. Do they know this slot is scum? It’s the LHF and they keep nibbling.

[Rad]

And you're right, they really didn't change did they. New information seems irrelevant to vasex, or at best just reinforces his initial read. 

LIE.

firstly i had cheap and you as townies, now you are a scum and he is null; i also changed some null slots to town lean (wd, bella) and solid town (spartan).

does it look that i didnt change anything?

Alright vasex. What's your latest read on Bella then if you consider what I just said a LIE?

[whiskey delta]

I’d compromise for a Somnus wagon

@BBT

[Vasex]

stupid question
you have my conclusion with scums, towns, nulls some posts ago. Are you waiting any changes in my opinion based on few fresh posts of bella here, where he was only totally confused?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Somnus

[whiskey delta]

You were already my top scum read, and I made that pretty clear when I was on yesterday. This is where my vote will remain due to how you're handling it. Have a good night.

This can be scum.

[Rad]

We're too close to mq getting replaced for me to jump on a somnus wagon. Otherwise I'd be happily doing that with you guys right now.

I'm a bit worried about an mq cheap lurker scum team

[whiskey delta]

VOTE: Somnus

VOTE: Somnus

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We're too close to mq getting replaced for me to jump on a somnus wagon. Otherwise I'd be happily doing that with you guys right now.

I'm a bit worried about an mq cheap lurker scum team

This really shouldn't matter too much.

Cheap probably isn't scum either

[Spartan117]

It's not just talking theory - you actually chose that as the thing to enter the game with. You didn't make 2 or 3 posts addressing game content or generating reads or whatever, you came straight in with theory.

You criticise that my first post wasnt addressing game content or generating reads, although I commented my opinion on the vasex v somnus situation, while your choice of entrance into the game was to ask for someone to tell you who to vote and your follow up posts were about creating wagons and a reluctance to read the content that had already been provided. I understand the need for voting and wagons to create pressure to get clearer reads but it seems much more like you are interested in the eliminating side of wagons over obtaining meaningful reads, hence you being happy to eliminate me being so certain I was scum after only 7 posts...

The trend is building wagons and seeing what happens. It's a good thing for town; not all wagons lead to lynches but the vast majority of them do provide information regardless. Can you imagine how bad a scum team would have to be to 'lol hammer' a wagon in a Newbie game? You'd basically be sacrificing yourself, come on. Try harder.

I can imagine how bad it would look, I've been in that situation before where I was town and somebody lol hammered and he was town, but the person who was coaxing the wagon sliding into the background was the scum in that situation and I missed it, being a new player at the time I refused to consider anyone lol hammering there was not scum. So think of it me trying to learn from my mistakes.

ou threw shade at me and said you disliked my vote. I joined the wagon that you were on and yet you stayed on it? Regardless of what you think about the person I was voting, it should have made you rethink your own vote no?

In that situation there is nothing wrong with me considering Rad scum and also considering you scum, its important for me to keep all options open, what are the motives of every decision by everyone, also because of time restraints I won't always post about everything I see at the time, I may circle back to it and comment on it at a later date, and if someone else has commented on it already and its seen to look scummy like I have just copied someone else then so be it, because while as town I want to be town read, I'm not anywhere near as bothered as if I was scum. People can scum read me for it if you like, it will probably make me town read you, as I get why it can look scummy I'm just not able to comment on everything I see when I see it.

[Spartan117]

Again, this sort of accusation makes me want to SR this slot. In what universe does it make sense for scum to do this? Since you like theory, let me ask How do you think scum would play a situation like this? The game goes beyond D1 and this entire theory is based on the notion the scum, working openly together, end Day early to flip a Townie. And then what? Rely on wifom as a pissed off Town turns on them?

I've seen something very similar play out before. How do you explain BBT wanting me eliminated and to end day 1 after I had made 7 posts and multiple others had posted only a few times?

[Spartan117]

Is OMGUS a scumtell?

Not always but can be in the way it's done, it depends on the context surrounding it.

[Spartan117]

??? You and rad have both flung the same accusation at me and bbt in the same words. Ive never seen anything like it before. I can't work out what on earth it means though.

I think it is more interesting that its a comment made to you Bella and BBT over anything else.

When I wrote it it was something I had meant to put into 294 but forgot so put it in a seperate post after, I dont see how it could be scummy for someone to point out that in their opinion someone who has posted a lot and controlled a lot of the conversation has provided relitivly little compared to someone who has posted only a few times. I've not done the same check on you but if anything it would be more town cred to have done this analysis and review that produce scum reads. On you comment that both myself and Rad has made a very similar comment, even tho might was after I hadn't noticed Rad had made it but its something I would say because

its important to make sure the active posters are actually posting content and not just driving the conversation for their own needs.

[Spartan117]

If you really think I am scum who do you think is my scum partner?

@BBT I don't believe you ever answered my question?

[Spartan117]

I'm gonna say this now, I think there is 1 scum between Rad and BlueBloodedToffee but I dont think they are a scumteam.

why not scumteam? possible

I just felt they were too against each other too early on, which could have been agreed in advance in pt, but in that position I would have wanted to do it later on where it would go under the radar more and not so obvious that it could be questioned. As always anythings on the table I'm just trying to nail down my reads and hopefully we get this replacement soon, the sooner the better so we all get a chance to get a read on the slot.

[Spartan117]

Scum spartan me

What is it specifically that has caused your scum read? I can see you are not 100% convinced.

Not convinced of scum!Spartan either to be fair.

[Spartan117]

I don't think his reads are great as I still have a town leaning read on BBT.

What do you think about BBT wanting to eliminate me and end day 1 after I had made 7 posts?

Alright Bella, I don't understand the progression on Somnus and you didn't respond to my accusation of you trying to prolong RVS but I also don't want to get into it because I think you're probably town and I'm happy for us to lynch Spartan.

After 7 posts?!? Why am I the only one seeing alarm bells?

Huh, it didn't register that you (Spartan) replaced Jackal who still held an early vote from Whiskey.

But I don't care. You're L-1. So what? Do something.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Does it help you Spartan if I like your recent posting a lot more and no longer want to lynch you?

[Rad]

What do you think about BBT wanting to eliminate me and end day 1 after I had made 7 posts?

Tbf your first 7 posts had plenty of content in them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rad, vote Somnus.

There are cookies available if you join the wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think I still have some outstanding questions for you too, Rad.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Searching a replacement for mq.bosco

[Rad]

I think I still have some outstanding questions for you too, Rad.

Your question about my spartan read will have to wait until I'm at my computer because it requires effort. Right now I'm out and reading/posting on my phone. I promise I'll get to it though.